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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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They'll pull from the latest game for the base game. Precedent literally dictates this. If the most recent game is Gen 9 at the time of release, we'll get a Gen 9 Pokémon. Incineroar got in well after Sun and Moon's "hype cycle." And they're not going to "save one for DLC." That's literally not how it works.

Here's a rundown of what would happen in the scenario you proposed.

  • TPCi demands a new Pokémon.
  • Sakurai says he'll save a spot for DLC since SV is maybe a bit too old, arbitrarily.
  • TPCi representative laughs and says they'll revoke permission to add Pokémon at all unless a new one gets into the base game, and that Sakurai needs to pick one from the pre-approved list or go scratch his ass.

We're getting a new Pokémon in the base game. If it's too early for Gen 10, it will be from Gen 9/an earlier gen in general.
I feel it's important to reiterate that since Brawl it's always been a Pokémon from the Generation that is upcoming when the roster is drafted.

For Gen 9 to be skipped in favor of Gen 10, the project would have had to be drafted post SV release.
And that is very well possible....if the project we know Sakurai drafted in 2021 is not Smash.

But if it is Smash, a Gen 9 Pokémon is all but guaranteed as it would be the upcoming Generation at the time.
 

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The order of the rest I think is much better than Ultimate's. I understand Ultimate's order, but it's initially super unintuitive to anyone who doesn't sort fighters by the order they joined.
As a longtime fan, EiH order was actually more intuitive.

Maybe being able to order the fighters yourself is asking too much, but having options with sorting characters would be nice. By series, by Smash introduction heck alphabetically would be exciting to at least one person.
Feels like a feature you could add in an afternoon.
 

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Couldn't that "3D battle action game" theoretically be the Golden Axe or Streets of Rage they said they were working on, announced alongside Crazy Taxi, Jet Set Radio, and Shinobi?

I dunno if that style of beat em up technically counts as 3D, but that's the first thing I thought of lol
They already revealed those games if I'm not mistaken. Whatever this is, they haven't shown it yet.
 

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As a longtime fan, EiH order was actually more intuitive.
I'm glad you found knowing Greninja would be next to Palutena, Lucas would be next to Dedede, and Pokemon Trainer would be next to Ike more intuitive than being able to find Luigi next to Mario, Link next to Zelda, and Diddy next to DK.

I suspect many might be the inverse.
 

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I'm glad you found knowing Greninja would be next to Palutena, Lucas would be next to Dedede, and Pokemon Trainer would be next to Ike more intuitive than being able to find Luigi next to Mario, Link next to Zelda, and Diddy next to DK.

I suspect many might be the inverse.
Ordering by series I think fixes a lot of these problems. There is the issue with a couple of series starting in one row and bleeding over into the next which is uglier with this organization, but it's otherwise much easier to find people. Older series are higher up on the screen, but they're all together.
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:ultpalutena::ultwario::ultsnake::ultsonic::ultolimar::ultrob::ultvillager::ultisabelle::ultmegaman::ultwiifittrainer::ultlittlemac::ultpacman::ultshulk:
:ultpyra::ultduckhunt::ultryu::ultken::ultcloud::ultsephiroth::ultbayonetta::ultinkling::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultjoker::ulthero::ultbanjokazooie:
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EDIT: Either way I think where it gets harder to read is near the bottom where most series only have 1 or 2 characters. This is likely why previous rosters spread out their larger series; You're able to remember where the smaller ones are in relation to the larger ones so it doesn't devolve into character soup anywhere.
 
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I'm glad you found knowing Greninja would be next to Palutena, Lucas would be next to Dedede, and Pokemon Trainer would be next to Ike more intuitive than being able to find Luigi next to Mario, Link next to Zelda, and Diddy next to DK.
I don't need to know who's next to who. I got eyes for that. I just need to know what area of the screen they'll be in.

And it's easier to find Little Mac in "the Smash 4 section" than it is in "the Punch-Out section", which doesn't exist.
 
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Ordering by series I think fixes a lot of these problems. There is the issue with a couple of series starting in one row and bleeding over into the next which is uglier with this organization, but it's otherwise much easier to find people. Older series are higher up on the screen, but they're all together.
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultdaisy::ultbowser::ultdoc::ultrosalina::ultbowserjr::ultpiranha::ultdk::ultdiddy::ultkrool::ultlink:
:ultsheik::ultzelda::ultyounglink::ultganondorf::ulttoonlink::ultsamus::ultdarksamus::ultzss::ultridley::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede:
:ultfox::ultfalco::ultwolf::ultpikachu::ultjigglypuff::ultpichu::ultmewtwo::ultpokemontrainer::ultlucario::ultgreninja::ultincineroar::ultness::ultlucas:
:ultfalcon::ulticeclimbers::ultmarth::ultlucina::ultroy::ultchrom::ultike::ultrobin::ultcorrin::ultbyleth::ultgnw::ultpit::ultdarkpit:
:ultpalutena::ultwario::ultsnake::ultsonic::ultolimar::ultrob::ultvillager::ultisabelle::ultmegaman::ultwiifittrainer::ultlittlemac::ultpacman::ultshulk:
:ultpyra::ultduckhunt::ultryu::ultken::ultcloud::ultsephiroth::ultbayonetta::ultinkling::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultjoker::ulthero::ultbanjokazooie:
:ult_terry::ultminmin:ultsteve::ultkazuya::ultsora::ultbrawler::ultswordfighter::ultgunner::substitute:
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultdaisy::ultbowser::ultdoc::ultrosalina::ultbowserjr::ultdk::ultdiddy::ultkrool::ultlink::ultsheik:
:ultzelda::ultyounglink::ultganondorf::ulttoonlink::ultsamus::ultdarksamus::ultzss::ultridley::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede::ultfox:
:ultfalco::ultwolf::ultpikachu::ultjigglypuff::ultpichu::ultmewtwo::ultpokemontrainer::ultlucario::ultgreninja::ultincineroar::ultness::ultlucas::ultfalcon:
:ulticeclimbers::ultmarth::ultlucina::ultroy::ultchrom::ultike::ultrobin::ultcorrin::ultgnw::ultpit::ultdarkpit::ultpalutena::ultwario:
:ultsnake::ultsonic::ultolimar::ultrob::ultvillager::ultisabelle::ultmegaman::ultwiifittrainer::ultlittlemac::ultpacman::ultshulk::ultduckhunt::ultryu:
:ultken::ultcloud::ultbayonetta::ultinkling::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultpiranha::ultjoker::ulthero::ultbanjokazooie::ult_terry::ultbyleth::ultminmin
:ultsteve::ultsephiroth::ultpyra::ultkazuya::ultsora::ultbrawler::ultswordfighter::ultgunner::substitute:

EDIT: Either way I think where it gets harder to read is near the bottom where most series only have 1 or 2 characters. This is likely why previous rosters spread out their larger series; You're able to remember where the smaller ones are in relation to the larger ones so it doesn't devolve into character soup anywhere.
I'm honestly kind of okay with Smash 4 scattering the solo entrants around to fill in gaps for by-series organization, like how Smash 3DS had G&W fill out the first line to make the second line a clean line of DK, Zelda, and Metroid or how Duck Hunt was stuck in after the FE characters in Smash Wii U to let Kirby start the next line, I just didn't like the weird shape the CSS took after all the DLC came out and it ended up shaped like a warp pipe or something lol

Also really wish DLC from pre-existing series would get slotted in where the rest of their characters are instead of just slapped at the end of the line, but it might mess up the line depending on the series in question.
 
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I'm honestly kind of okay with Smash 4 scattering the solo entrants around to fill in gaps for by-series organization, like how Smash 3DS had G&W fill out the first line to make the second line a clean line of DK, Zelda, and Metroid or how Duck Hunt was stuck in after the FE characters in Smash Wii U to let Kirby start the next line, I just didn't like the weird shape the CSS took after all the DLC came out and it ended up shaped like a warp pipe or something lol

Also really wish DLC from pre-existing series would get slotted in where the rest of their characters are instead of just slapped at the end of the line, but it might mess up the line depending on the series in question.
IIRC my only problems with SSB4's layout was Yoshi stuck in the middle of the Mario cast when he could just as easily have been a couple slots to the right, and the clone corner of shame as funny as that was.
 

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IIRC my only problems with SSB4's layout was Yoshi stuck in the middle of the Mario cast when he could just as easily have been a couple slots to the right, and the clone corner of shame as funny as that was.
Yeah basically, I wouldn't mind if they did that style CSS again, and since we likely don't have EiH, feels pretty likely to be what they do lol
 

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I know my experience is limited regarding Japan, but traveling to Hokkaido and visiting Sapporo and other places...

I've seen one Crash merchandise in a certain large mall. I visited a large arcade center at Sapporo. I saw one Minecraft Dungeon arcade machine, a bunch of rhythm machines with Undertale musics, Puyo puyo gambling machine(I think it was), Dragon Quest card game machine, etc... just from top of my head. I've never come across Kingdom Hearts stuff weirdly.
 

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The guy who said Crash Bandicoot is only a popular Smash demand due to bandwagoning and that “Abby from The Last of Us 2 is a lot more relevant and popular than Crash probably ever was” is denying the popularity of Sora among Smash fans now?
 
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The guy who said Crash Bandicoot is only a popular Smash demand due to bandwagoning and that “Abby from The Last of Us 2 is a lot more relevant and popular than Crash probably ever was” is denying the popularity of Sora among Smash fans now?
I mean, he's right about Crash.

Crash is only a popular Smash pick because of PS1 Sony marketing. Which is the only place Crash was ever any kind of actual rival to Mario and Sonic.

Last Of Us IS easily more relevant and popular than Crash ever was.
 

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To be honest, you could say Crash is no different from Sonic in that case. But that's not a bad thing. The fact that he's still recognized as a console mascot for the PlayStation and a rival to Mario and Sonic says a lot about his popularity. That's quite an accomplishment that shouldn't be taken lightly.

Meanwhile, I remember a lot of people HATED Abby when the second Last of Us game came out. They probably still hate her. Joel and Ellie, the original protagonists, are mostly still loved by the fanbase. But no matter how popular The Last of Us is, their characters will never reach mascot-level popularity like Crash did.
 
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Now that Pokémon is referenced, I have to ask... given that every Smash game introduces new Pokémon, it is a given that it will happen in Smash 6. However, what do you think are the chances that instead of Smash 4 and Ultimate, Smash 6 introduces two new Pokémon fighters instead of one?
It's more likely than a lot of speculators realize. The first three games all had two Pokémon newcomers after all. And with the series continuing to be massively popular, two generations having released since Ultimate's release, and a massive number of options, two newcomers is easily on the table.
 

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Well I gave you an actual reply to what you said in the first post, the second you just told me to go away.
because you opened your comment with Laugh My *** Off. do you really expect people to be willing to engage with you when that's your opening? pointing and laughing.
 

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I feel it's important to reiterate that since Brawl it's always been a Pokémon from the Generation that is upcoming when the roster is drafted.

For Gen 9 to be skipped in favor of Gen 10, the project would have had to be drafted post SV release.
And that is very well possible....if the project we know Sakurai drafted in 2021 is not Smash.

But if it is Smash, a Gen 9 Pokémon is all but guaranteed as it would be the upcoming Generation at the time.
Whatever you say regarding Pokemon goes. I've seen your work at hand.

So, which Gen 9 Pokemon has your favor ?
 

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I'm glad you found knowing Greninja would be next to Palutena, Lucas would be next to Dedede, and Pokemon Trainer would be next to Ike more intuitive than being able to find Luigi next to Mario, Link next to Zelda, and Diddy next to DK.

I suspect many might be the inverse.
I mean if nothing else, Ultimate’s CSS Is what taught me to sort things chronologically, so it’s intuitive to me.
 

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I mean... if development started in 2022, I really don't think it's a question if Pokémon gets a base game newcomer. That was literally SV's release year.

Even then, if timing is really THAT much of an issue, he could just... not pick a Pokémon from the latest gen.
Yeh, like Gardevoir.
 

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I do think we’ll get a base game pokemon in the next Smash but I don’t necessarily think it has to be from Scarlet/Violet. It doesn’t make a ton of business sense to have to promote a game that people are mostly done playing. That doesn’t mean they can’t still choose one if there’s one that would work in Smash really well but they shouldn’t feel obligated to. Another really popular game released around the start of development was Legends Arceus so I could see them going with something like Hisuian Zoroark. They could also potentially choose an iconic and popular Pokemon from an earlier generation rather than gambling on an S/V Pokemon that would have been to early to know if it would be popular. I know history has shown a pattern of going with the most recently released Pokemon game at the time but I don’t think it has to always be that way.
 
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I do think we’ll get a base game pokemon in the next Smash but I don’t necessarily think it has to be from Scarlet/Violet. It doesn’t necessarily make a ton of business sense to have to promote a game that people are mostly done playing.
Incineroar would like to have a word with you.

Sword and Shield was only a year after Ultimate released, after all.
 
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Incineroar would like to have a word with you.

Sword and Shield was only a year after Ultimate released, after all.
I did say there’s a history of them doing just that. I just don’t see why they’d feel obligated to do so. Most people are done playing Scarlet and Violet already so advertising that game specifically no longer makes a ton of sense. I just feel like they shouldn’t feel like they have to do that since it’s no longer really current. If there’s a Pokemon they have a great idea for from the Gen, they should pick it for that reason rather than the need to advertise the latest game.
 
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I did say there’s a history of them doing just that. I just don’t see why they’d feel obligated to do so. Most people are done playing Scarlet and Violet already so advertising that game specifically no longer makes a ton of sense. I just feel like they shouldn’t feel like they have to do that since it’s no longer really current. If there’s a Pokemon they have a great idea for from the Gen, they should pick it for that reason rather than the need to advertise the latest game.
Which is how Sakurai has always made his choices.

We explicitly know Incineroar was picked for the wrestler archetype and it doesn't take a genius to figure out Sakurai would think the ninja frog would be the coolest choice in Smash 4.
 
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Which is how Sakurai has always made his choices.

We explicitly know Incineroar was picked for the wrestler archetype and it doesn't take a genius to figure out Sakurai would think the ninja frog would be the coolest choice in Smash 4.
Exactly, which is why I think a Pokemon from any gen is fair game. Sakurai chooses based on what works best for Smash, so I don’t think it has to be a Scarlet/Violet Pokemon just because it’s the newest. I’m not saying we can’t get a Scarlet/Violet Pokemon, just that it shouldn’t be the only option considered. By the time Smash releases, that game won’t be the big focus anymore, so they might look at other Pokemon instead. If a Scarlet/Violet Pokemon is chosen because it’s a great fit, that’s awesome, but it shouldn’t be just because it’s the from the most recent generation.
 
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People are really underselling Crash.

Yeah, the revival was generally mismanaged after the remakes, but Crash was everywhere in the late '90s and early 2000s. There's a generation of millennials and early Gen Zs that consider him synonymous with gaming during that generation. Whether or not he's a conventional rival to Mario nowadays is irrelevant because (1) Sonic isn't a conventional rival to Mario now and (2) Crash was undoubtedly Sony's answer to Mario back in the day.

To put the legacy of Crash into perspective, the N. Sane Trilogy was able to sell 20 million copies. That's more than double what most series in Smash have sold in their best-selling entry, barring utter juggernauts like Mario, Pokemon, and Animal Crossing.
 
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I just can't see a Gen 9 Pokémon being added when the release window is far past Gen 9's hype cycle, and adding a Gen 10 rep in the base game might risk another Roy situation where a character is added to Smash before their own series.
If the proyect plan was in april 2022 then i'd say it makes perfect sense to add a Gen 9 rep, as SV was a few months away from release at the time.
I don't think Gen 10 is releasing in 2025, i think this year is Legends Z-A time, Gen 10 it's probably releasing in 2026, if we get a Gen 10 rep then it's probably going to be DLC imho.
I could see them adding Gen 9 base game and Gen 10 DLC begin a real possiblity.
 
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If the proyect plan was in april 2022 then i'd say it makes perfect sense to add a Gen 9 rep, as SV was a few months away from release at the time.
I don't think Gen 10 is releasing in 2025, i think this year is Legends Z-A time, Gen 10 it's probably releasing in 2026, if we get a Gen 10 rep then it's probably going to be DLC imho.
I could see them adding Gen 9 base game and Gen 10 DLC begin a real possiblity.
Yeah, I think it’s way too late for a Gen 10 base game rep. I think it’s either going to be Gen 9 or earlier for the base game but I don’t think it has to be Gen 9 specifically. I could see the logic in using the base game spot for an older Pokemon with a long time record of proven popularity and a Gen 10 DLC spot to promote the newest game. They could still go with Gen 9 instead for the base game, since that does follow established patterns, but I don’t think it has to be the case.
 
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To put the legacy of Crash into perspective, the N. Sane Trilogy was able to sell 20 million copies. That's more than double what most series in Smash have sold in their best-selling entry, barring utter juggernauts like Mario, Pokemon, and Animal Crossing.
One of the counterarguments that I've seen here was essentially that legacy isn't everything and the character kind of needs to have legs currently, but either I'm misremembering or it's just flat out a dumb argument since we have...so many characters that fell off a cliff long before their inclusion in Super Smash Bros. Crash would just be one of them, and given this, only kinda at that.
 

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I think the biggest hurdle for Crash is the competition within Microsoft. Some of their other properties have better sales and left a bigger cultural impact on gaming than Crash did. Still, sales aren’t everything and Crash fits naturally into a platform fighter like Smash as well as having the perception of being a former PlayStation mascot and rival to Mario, even if that was never entirely accurate. I think that’s enough to put him near the top of the conversation.
 

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I am quite curious about Xenoblade 3 characters chances for the base game if the project started in April 2022 as Xenoblade 3 released in July 2022, i'm sure stages, items, ATs and the like will make it in regardless. But i remember sakurai saying something like "If Awakening released later, Robin might not have made it" or something like that, back in the Smash 4 days.
 
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I think the biggest hurdle for Crash is the competition within Microsoft. Some of their other properties have better sales and left a bigger cultural impact on gaming than Crash did. Still, sales aren’t everything and Crash fits naturally into a platform fighter like Smash as well as having the perception of being a former PlayStation mascot and rival to Mario, even if that was never entirely accurate. I think that’s enough to put him near the top of the conversation.
I think what puts Crash above his fellow Microsoft bretheren is that he's had a much stronger Japanese presence in comparison. Case in point: the Crash Dance originated in Japan.
 

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I am quite curious about Xenoblade 3 characters chances for the base game if the project started in April 2022 as Xenoblade 3 released in July 2022, i'm sure stages, items, ATs and the like will make it in regardless. But i remember sakurai saying something like "If Awakening released later, Robin might not have made it" or something like that, back in the Smash 4 days.
That is a good question. I feel like there’s a possibility of another Greninja situation where they have Sakurai dome advanced knowledge so he could work on the character. If not, we could potentially see another older character like Elma or Nia. He would likely have no knowledge of the Xenoblade X remake at the time but Elma was always a pretty popular character.
 

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I am quite curious about Xenoblade 3 characters chances for the base game if the project started in April 2022 as Xenoblade 3 released in July 2022, i'm sure stages, items, ATs and the like will make it in regardless. But i remember sakurai saying something like "If Awakening released later, Robin might not have made it" or something like that, back in the Smash 4 days.
If the roster was drafted in 2021, I think it's highly unlikely for us to see Noah or Mio, as sad as that is.

There's always DLC though.

EDIT: I don't think we'll see Elma ever unless Xenoblade Chronicles X takes off as a series and she's still relevant in it; The remake itself isn't going to get her in.
 
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If the roster was drafted in 2021, I think it's highly unlikely for us to see Noah or Mio, as sad as that is.

There's always DLC though.
Do you think we’d get a different Xenoblade character in the base game like the two I mentioned above or do you think they’d just hold off on the series altogether until DLC?
 

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Do you think we’d get a different Xenoblade character in the base game like the two I mentioned above or do you think they’d just hold off on the series altogether until DLC?
I don't think Sakurai will pick anyone else from 1, 2, or X over options from other series, and I'm fairly confident we'll never get a character from X, period.

There is potential for stuff like Pneuma as a clone, but aside from that I don't think Xenoblade Chronicles will be getting anything.
 

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Crash was undoubtedly Sony's answer to Mario back in the day.
Lol, and Alex Kidd was Sega's answer to Mario in the 8-bit era.

Just because a company wants their mascot to be a legitimate rival to their competition's mascot, doesn't mean they are.

Crash was never any real rival to Mario outside of the commercials Sony made.
 

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Yeah, I think it’s way too late for a Gen 10 base game rep. I think it’s either going to be Gen 9 or earlier for the base game but I don’t think it has to be Gen 9 specifically. I could see the logic in using the base game spot for an older Pokemon with a long time record of proven popularity and a Gen 10 DLC spot to promote the newest game. They could still go with Gen 9 instead for the base game, since that does follow established patterns, but I don’t think it has to be the case.
I mean, I think the next smash releases Holiday 2026 at the earliest. I expect more around a Fall/Holiday 2027 release date, and by then Gen 10 would surely be out in the November 2026 slot if TPC and Nintendo want to have it out for the 30th Anniversary like how Sun & Moon were out for the 20th. I see no point in including a Pokemon from a 4-year old generation, especially with the newest one releasing anywhere from a few months to a year removed from Smash 6's release. We know that Sakuari gets the designs early (that is if he is working on this game), so a Gen 10 pokemon is still very likely to me at least.
 
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I mean, I think the next smash releases Holiday 2026 at the earliest. I expect more around a Fall/Holiday 2027 release date, and by then Gen 10 would surely be out in the November 2026 slot if TPC and Nintendo want to have it out for the 30th Anniversary like how Sun & Moon were out for the 20th. I see no point in including a Pokemon from a 4-year old generation, especially with the newest one releasing anywhere from a few months to a year removed from Smash 6's release. We know that Sakuari gets the designs early (that is if he is working on this game), so a Gen 10 pokemon is still very likely to me at least.
Yeah, that’s basically my logic as well about Gen 9. However, if the project plan actually started in 2021 with full development in 2022, I don’t see any chance for a Gen 10 base game character. That would be way too far out for another Greninja situation. As for Smash 6’s release date, I feel like there’s a decent chance we’ll see Smash before 2027 but we’ll see. Smash has historically released within the first two years of a console’s life so I feel like 2026 is more likely. I don’t think it’s completely impossible that it could be this year’s holiday title though it is a bit of a long shot.
 
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