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I feel it's important to reiterate that since Brawl it's always been a Pokémon from the Generation that is upcoming when the roster is drafted.
As a longtime fan, EiH order was actually more intuitive.
Feels like a feature you could add in an afternoon.
They already revealed those games if I'm not mistaken. Whatever this is, they haven't shown it yet.
I'm glad you found knowing Greninja would be next to Palutena, Lucas would be next to Dedede, and Pokemon Trainer would be next to Ike more intuitive than being able to find Luigi next to Mario, Link next to Zelda, and Diddy next to DK.
Ordering by series I think fixes a lot of these problems. There is the issue with a couple of series starting in one row and bleeding over into the next which is uglier with this organization, but it's otherwise much easier to find people. Older series are higher up on the screen, but they're all together.
I don't need to know who's next to who. I got eyes for that. I just need to know what area of the screen they'll be in.
I'm honestly kind of okay with Smash 4 scattering the solo entrants around to fill in gaps for by-series organization, like how Smash 3DS had G&W fill out the first line to make the second line a clean line of DK, Zelda, and Metroid or how Duck Hunt was stuck in after the FE characters in Smash Wii U to let Kirby start the next line, I just didn't like the weird shape the CSS took after all the DLC came out and it ended up shaped like a warp pipe or something lolOrdering by series I think fixes a lot of these problems. There is the issue with a couple of series starting in one row and bleeding over into the next which is uglier with this organization, but it's otherwise much easier to find people. Older series are higher up on the screen, but they're all together.
EDIT: Either way I think where it gets harder to read is near the bottom where most series only have 1 or 2 characters. This is likely why previous rosters spread out their larger series; You're able to remember where the smaller ones are in relation to the larger ones so it doesn't devolve into character soup anywhere.
IIRC my only problems with SSB4's layout was Yoshi stuck in the middle of the Mario cast when he could just as easily have been a couple slots to the right, and the clone corner of shame as funny as that was.
Yeah basically, I wouldn't mind if they did that style CSS again, and since we likely don't have EiH, feels pretty likely to be what they do lol
I mean, he's right about Crash.
Except that Sonic is still wildly popular. Possibly moreso than ever. And constantly gets new games.
It's more likely than a lot of speculators realize. The first three games all had two Pokémon newcomers after all. And with the series continuing to be massively popular, two generations having released since Ultimate's release, and a massive number of options, two newcomers is easily on the table.
because you opened your comment with Laugh My *** Off. do you really expect people to be willing to engage with you when that's your opening? pointing and laughing.
Whatever you say regarding Pokemon goes. I've seen your work at hand.
I mean if nothing else, Ultimate’s CSS Is what taught me to sort things chronologically, so it’s intuitive to me.
Yeh, like Gardevoir.
Incineroar would like to have a word with you.
I did say there’s a history of them doing just that. I just don’t see why they’d feel obligated to do so. Most people are done playing Scarlet and Violet already so advertising that game specifically no longer makes a ton of sense. I just feel like they shouldn’t feel like they have to do that since it’s no longer really current. If there’s a Pokemon they have a great idea for from the Gen, they should pick it for that reason rather than the need to advertise the latest game.
Which is how Sakurai has always made his choices.
Exactly, which is why I think a Pokemon from any gen is fair game. Sakurai chooses based on what works best for Smash, so I don’t think it has to be a Scarlet/Violet Pokemon just because it’s the newest. I’m not saying we can’t get a Scarlet/Violet Pokemon, just that it shouldn’t be the only option considered. By the time Smash releases, that game won’t be the big focus anymore, so they might look at other Pokemon instead. If a Scarlet/Violet Pokemon is chosen because it’s a great fit, that’s awesome, but it shouldn’t be just because it’s the from the most recent generation.
If the proyect plan was in april 2022 then i'd say it makes perfect sense to add a Gen 9 rep, as SV was a few months away from release at the time.
Yeah, I think it’s way too late for a Gen 10 base game rep. I think it’s either going to be Gen 9 or earlier for the base game but I don’t think it has to be Gen 9 specifically. I could see the logic in using the base game spot for an older Pokemon with a long time record of proven popularity and a Gen 10 DLC spot to promote the newest game. They could still go with Gen 9 instead for the base game, since that does follow established patterns, but I don’t think it has to be the case.
One of the counterarguments that I've seen here was essentially that legacy isn't everything and the character kind of needs to have legs currently, but either I'm misremembering or it's just flat out a dumb argument since we have...so many characters that fell off a cliff long before their inclusion in Super Smash Bros. Crash would just be one of them, and given this, only kinda at that.
I think what puts Crash above his fellow Microsoft bretheren is that he's had a much stronger Japanese presence in comparison. Case in point: the Crash Dance originated in Japan.
That is a good question. I feel like there’s a possibility of another Greninja situation where they have Sakurai dome advanced knowledge so he could work on the character. If not, we could potentially see another older character like Elma or Nia. He would likely have no knowledge of the Xenoblade X remake at the time but Elma was always a pretty popular character.
If the roster was drafted in 2021, I think it's highly unlikely for us to see Noah or Mio, as sad as that is.
Do you think we’d get a different Xenoblade character in the base game like the two I mentioned above or do you think they’d just hold off on the series altogether until DLC?
I don't think Sakurai will pick anyone else from 1, 2, or X over options from other series, and I'm fairly confident we'll never get a character from X, period.
Lol, and Alex Kidd was Sega's answer to Mario in the 8-bit era.
I mean, I think the next smash releases Holiday 2026 at the earliest. I expect more around a Fall/Holiday 2027 release date, and by then Gen 10 would surely be out in the November 2026 slot if TPC and Nintendo want to have it out for the 30th Anniversary like how Sun & Moon were out for the 20th. I see no point in including a Pokemon from a 4-year old generation, especially with the newest one releasing anywhere from a few months to a year removed from Smash 6's release. We know that Sakuari gets the designs early (that is if he is working on this game), so a Gen 10 pokemon is still very likely to me at least.
Yeah, that’s basically my logic as well about Gen 9. However, if the project plan actually started in 2021 with full development in 2022, I don’t see any chance for a Gen 10 base game character. That would be way too far out for another Greninja situation. As for Smash 6’s release date, I feel like there’s a decent chance we’ll see Smash before 2027 but we’ll see. Smash has historically released within the first two years of a console’s life so I feel like 2026 is more likely. I don’t think it’s completely impossible that it could be this year’s holiday title though it is a bit of a long shot.
