Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[GoldenYuiitusin]

They'll pull from the latest game for the base game. Precedent literally dictates this. If the most recent game is Gen 9 at the time of release, we'll get a Gen 9 Pokémon. Incineroar got in well after Sun and Moon's "hype cycle." And they're not going to "save one for DLC." That's literally not how it works.

Here's a rundown of what would happen in the scenario you proposed.

• TPCi demands a new Pokémon.
• Sakurai says he'll save a spot for DLC since SV is maybe a bit too old, arbitrarily.
• TPCi representative laughs and says they'll revoke permission to add Pokémon at all unless a new one gets into the base game, and that Sakurai needs to pick one from the pre-approved list or go scratch his ass.

We're getting a new Pokémon in the base game. If it's too early for Gen 10, it will be from Gen 9/an earlier gen in general.

I feel it's important to reiterate that since Brawl it's always been a Pokémon from the Generation that is upcoming when the roster is drafted.

For Gen 9 to be skipped in favor of Gen 10, the project would have had to be drafted post SV release.
And that is very well possible....if the project we know Sakurai drafted in 2021 is not Smash.

But if it is Smash, a Gen 9 Pokémon is all but guaranteed as it would be the upcoming Generation at the time.

 

[DarthEnderX]

The order of the rest I think is much better than Ultimate's. I understand Ultimate's order, but it's initially super unintuitive to anyone who doesn't sort fighters by the order they joined.

As a longtime fan, EiH order was actually more intuitive.

Maybe being able to order the fighters yourself is asking too much, but having options with sorting characters would be nice. By series, by Smash introduction heck alphabetically would be exciting to at least one person.

Feels like a feature you could add in an afternoon.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Couldn't that "3D battle action game" theoretically be the Golden Axe or Streets of Rage they said they were working on, announced alongside Crazy Taxi, Jet Set Radio, and Shinobi?

I dunno if that style of beat em up technically counts as 3D, but that's the first thing I thought of lol

They already revealed those games if I'm not mistaken. Whatever this is, they haven't shown it yet.

 

[dream1ng]

As a longtime fan, EiH order was actually more intuitive.

I'm glad you found knowing Greninja would be next to Palutena, Lucas would be next to Dedede, and Pokemon Trainer would be next to Ike more intuitive than being able to find Luigi next to Mario, Link next to Zelda, and Diddy next to DK.

I suspect many might be the inverse.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm glad you found knowing Greninja would be next to Palutena, Lucas would be next to Dedede, and Pokemon Trainer would be next to Ike more intuitive than being able to find Luigi next to Mario, Link next to Zelda, and Diddy next to DK.

I suspect many might be the inverse.

Ordering by series I think fixes a lot of these problems. There is the issue with a couple of series starting in one row and bleeding over into the next which is uglier with this organization, but it's otherwise much easier to find people. Older series are higher up on the screen, but they're all together.

Spoiler

Spoiler: A signifigantly uglier version with the dev's habit of dumping the DLC on the end:

EDIT: Either way I think where it gets harder to read is near the bottom where most series only have 1 or 2 characters. This is likely why previous rosters spread out their larger series; You're able to remember where the smaller ones are in relation to the larger ones so it doesn't devolve into character soup anywhere.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I'm glad you found knowing Greninja would be next to Palutena, Lucas would be next to Dedede, and Pokemon Trainer would be next to Ike more intuitive than being able to find Luigi next to Mario, Link next to Zelda, and Diddy next to DK.

I don't need to know who's next to who. I got eyes for that. I just need to know what area of the screen they'll be in.

And it's easier to find Little Mac in "the Smash 4 section" than it is in "the Punch-Out section", which doesn't exist.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Ordering by series I think fixes a lot of these problems. There is the issue with a couple of series starting in one row and bleeding over into the next which is uglier with this organization, but it's otherwise much easier to find people. Older series are higher up on the screen, but they're all together.

Spoiler

Spoiler: A signifigantly uglier version with the dev's habit of dumping the DLC on the end:

EDIT: Either way I think where it gets harder to read is near the bottom where most series only have 1 or 2 characters. This is likely why previous rosters spread out their larger series; You're able to remember where the smaller ones are in relation to the larger ones so it doesn't devolve into character soup anywhere.

I'm honestly kind of okay with Smash 4 scattering the solo entrants around to fill in gaps for by-series organization, like how Smash 3DS had G&W fill out the first line to make the second line a clean line of DK, Zelda, and Metroid or how Duck Hunt was stuck in after the FE characters in Smash Wii U to let Kirby start the next line, I just didn't like the weird shape the CSS took after all the DLC came out and it ended up shaped like a warp pipe or something lol

Also really wish DLC from pre-existing series would get slotted in where the rest of their characters are instead of just slapped at the end of the line, but it might mess up the line depending on the series in question.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Spoiler: Sonic Racing CrossWorlds

Upset that there's no racers from Puyo Puyo

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm honestly kind of okay with Smash 4 scattering the solo entrants around to fill in gaps for by-series organization, like how Smash 3DS had G&W fill out the first line to make the second line a clean line of DK, Zelda, and Metroid or how Duck Hunt was stuck in after the FE characters in Smash Wii U to let Kirby start the next line, I just didn't like the weird shape the CSS took after all the DLC came out and it ended up shaped like a warp pipe or something lol

Also really wish DLC from pre-existing series would get slotted in where the rest of their characters are instead of just slapped at the end of the line, but it might mess up the line depending on the series in question.

IIRC my only problems with SSB4's layout was Yoshi stuck in the middle of the Mario cast when he could just as easily have been a couple slots to the right, and the clone corner of shame as funny as that was.