Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[The Prankster 16]

I really hope Ultimate's version of classic mode stays, I love that it's like an Arcade mode from other fighting games and the fact that each one is themed for that specific fighter is really cool (even if some of those themes kinda suck, seriously why are helf of them just "fighting dark/shadow versions of characters"). That being said, here are some improvements I'd like to see for the next game.

1. Unique bonus stages: I was so hyped when I saw that race to the finish came back for Ultimate, only to find out it was one stage that happened for every character. I want them to be more varied, so some fighters would get a Board the Platforms, some would get Break the Targets, and some would get Race to the Finish. Preferably, I would want them to all be unique, but if that can't happen then maybe they can do what Brawl did and have a few presets that get used.
2. Mini-Bosses: The multiple boss fights were really cool even though most were just the Hands, but I want to bring in Mini-Bosses as well. Bring back Metal Mario and Giant DK, and maybe have a few new ones (idk what they'd be though).
3. Endings: This one's a little , but having a little cutscene at the end would be cool. Definetly not a CG one or voiced, but maybe like a slideshow with some text.

 

[Louie G.]

It’s an analogy to help you and only you understand my point. You could’ve just said it went over your head and it would’ve just as much as your wall of text.

I don't appreciate you acting this way. It wasn't a hard point to understand, it was just an unfitting comparison - I understand your point and I think it's wrong. I responded to your thoughts earnestly enough at first and you came back with condescending gifs.

You’re making hills to die on out of plateaus to live on buddy, calm down

If you can bring the actual data here for Eggman with the numbers, I’ll commend you. Good luck.

And again, this isn’t a disagreement. I just didn’t ask about all dat. I said “as long”, not “as much”.

All of these attempts at snarky responses are bothering me, I'd rather you didn't try to talk down to me like this or at least back up your case more substantially if you're going to try and do so. It's really hard to keep having this conversation when there's an obvious lack of respect. Like, I know it's a silly video game board, but I'm not here to be laughed at for trying to have a conversation.

Look, if your argument is "some people want different characters more" then I don't know a single person who would disagree with it. That's the most obvious observation about the community possible. You used inflammatory words like selfish and "copium" which gave off the idea this was some act of spite against Eggman and not simple preference. If that isn't what you meant then choose better words next time.

And I'm explaining a generally agreeable point that Eggman support was not as visible until recently. It's true! Maybe it can be disputed exactly where this began, he was getting decent numbers on fan polls prior to FP2, but Eggman was not at the forefront of Sonic character requests until Ultimate. I don't think I need to give hard numbers and data to prove this, at least any more than you do. You said "fair enough" and then fell back on this, asking me to give you hard numbers and direct sources, so I don't really know what to say. I know what my lived experience in the community for 10+ years was so that's that I guess.

 

[AlRex]

I like Eggman more than the other Sonic choices because you don’t get to play as him/other bosses that much relative to other characters, all the gadgets, Badniks, and such leave a lot of room for creativity, he has the merit off of being the main bad guy since the first game, and he’s the least like Sonic out of the options we have. There’s no sensible way Eggman could have a Spin Dash in his moveset unless he summoned Metal Sonic, I guess.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I really hope Ultimate's version of classic mode stays, I love that it's like an Arcade mode from other fighting games and the fact that each one is themed for that specific fighter is really cool

It's fine, but in the event that it stays I'd like a randomizer option too so you're not always fighting the same opponents as the same character.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Speaking as a Sonic fan who'd be fine with any of the mains in Smash, Eggman holds a different appeal vs say Tails or Knuckles. The former strikes me as more interesting moveset wise given the sheer number of different machine weapons he's utilized, but there's an ineffable quality conceptually of controlling the latter two in Smash given how long they've been notable heroes in the series. Just the idea of Sonic and Tails vs Mario and Luigi in a team battle hits in a way that playable Eggman doesn't, even though you could arguably get more potential depth out the latter.

It's a bit like Crash and Spyro where one would have my major hype for their mere existence in SSB while the other more likely has greater gameplay heights they could reach in practical play.

 

[Will]

All of these attempts at snarky responses are bothering me, I'd rather you didn't try to talk down to me like this or at least back up your case more substantially if you're going to try and do so. It's really hard to keep having this conversation when there's an obvious lack of respect. Like, I know it's a silly video game board, but I'm not here to be laughed at for trying to have a conversation.

I’m not laughing at you?

I don't appreciate you acting this way. It wasn't a hard point to understand, it was just an unfitting comparison - I understand your point and I think it's wrong. I responded to your thoughts earnestly enough at first and you came back with condescending gifs.

Louie, no offense mate, you’re reading into it too deep. You always do at my posts.

I’m not trying to demean you. Truthfully, I’m doing everything to steer clear from having any debate on this topic with you because I didn’t ask for you to engage in it to begin with. It was a response to Golden and was intended to stay that way.

Look, if your argument is "some people want different characters more" then I don't know a single person who would disagree with it. That's the most obvious observation about the community possible.

See? It was never meant to be a start to a debate!

You used inflammatory words like selfish and "copium" which gave off the idea this was some act of spite against Eggman and not simple preference. If that isn't what you meant then choose better words next time.

I’m 23 from a background of extensive internet usage, this is the slang of my generation. Emotes and .gif’s have been my calling cards since I began posting ten years ago. They are not the against the rules to say and use, so I’m gonna say and use them.

If you don’t understand, why don’t you ask for context like everyone else does when they need it? If I were genuinely trying to demean you, I’d call you stupid or something derogatory. But I’m not, so it simply isn’t the way you think it is. I tried to tell you this multiple times already.

Can you drop the topic now? Or just hide my posts? Im not going to change for a stranger on the internet unless the mods put a gun to my head and say so.

 

[PersonAngelo53]

I don't know about this, most Sonic fans I've spoken to either want Eggman the most or would just be happy to have a new character at all. I don't think there's this kind of selfish infighting among Sonic fans when the desperation for literally anything next game is so high. Preference is splintered but at the heart of it everyone wants the same thing... I can't think of many that would be outright against the doc.

Again, from my perspective, I just don't see Eggman as someone in heavy consideration. I think the road to getting him playable is probably comparable to someone like Ridley in the past, visualized as a boss first and fan demand putting him in stronger competition for a playable role. The other three characters have a leg up on Eggman's Smash popularity having been requested for far longer (circa Brawl), while his support boomed during late stage Ultimate DLC. That paired with Eggman being straddled to a machine most of the time, I think those characters would just jump out more as the next playable candidate.

It doesn't have much to do with my preference - I openly admit Eggman would be the most unique and interesting of the bunch, and I don't feel as strongly about Sonic desperately needing more characters the way some other people do. And frankly I would really, really like an actual mech character in Smash that takes the concept further than Bowser Jr. But I don't think he is the next step for the series, and I'd be pleasantly surprised if I was wrong.

Agree with having a character that goes all out with the concept of having a mech. At the top of my head some characters I think could work for that are Elma from Xenoblade X, Sakura from Sakura Wars, Rean Schwarzer from Trails of cold steel and Porky from Earthbound.

 

[Oracle Link]

Whats your opinion on a deku Tree Stage for Zelda?

 

[ninjahmos]

I'm sorry, but the argument that bosses shouldn't be fighters just doesn't work when we literally have Ridley and Sephiroth.

 

[Will]

Whats your opinion on a deku Tree Stage for Zelda?

Do you have a specific Deku Tree in mind? I assume you mean OOT

 

[ninjahmos]

Should they make air dodging even more like Melee so you can have the ability to wavedash?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Speaking as a Sonic fan who'd be fine with any of the mains in Smash, Eggman holds a different appeal vs say Tails or Knuckles. The former strikes me as more interesting moveset wise given the sheer number of different machine weapons he's utilized, but there's an ineffable quality conceptually of controlling the latter two in Smash given how long they've been notable heroes in the series. Just the idea of Sonic and Tails vs Mario and Luigi in a team battle just hits in a way that playable Eggman doesn't, even though you could arguably get more potential depth out the latter.

It's a bit like Crash and Spyro where one would have my major hype for their mere existence in SSB while the other more likely has greater gameplay heights they could reach in practical play.

I'm curious what your thoughts on Crash and Spyro are, I could see both having strong practical movesets depending on what games they pull some of their moves (or at least their specials; I could see either of them having strong movesets overall) from.

Admittedly though, I'm much more familiar with Spyro's abilities than I am Crash's.