Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Which character(s) do you guys think deserves a rework the most, besides Ganondorf and Sonic?

Lucario for sure. Way too centralized around Aura especially now that it stacks with rage, feels floaty even if he actually isn't, doesn't feel like a Steel type though that's probably because it's the movie one that also didn't feel like that, and none of his moves really have any kind of oomph for me.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Lucario for sure. Way too centralized around Aura especially now that it stacks with rage, feels floaty even if he actually isn't, doesn't feel like a Steel type though that's probably because it's the movie one that also didn't feel like that, and none of his moves really have any kind of oomph for me.

+1ing this a million times

Lucario needs a desperate rework his toolkit is absolutely terrible and uninteresting in ultimate. I've deadass only fought 3 lucarios online/irl and Ive had over a thousand hours on this game since launch, and those three lucarios were around a bit closer to the release of the game, a year later after release and I didn't see any.

Make this character interesting! Make people want to pick him up!

 

[CommanderZaktan]

+1ing this a million times

Lucario needs a desperate rework his toolkit is absolutely terrible and uninteresting in ultimate. I've deadass only fought 3 lucarios online/irl and Ive had over a thousand hours on this game since launch, and those three lucarios were around a bit closer to the release of the game, a year later after release and I didn't see any.

Make this character interesting! Make people want to pick him up!

Bone Rush as a side special or side smash

 

[Guynamednelson]

Which character(s) do you guys think deserves a rework the most, besides Ganondorf and Sonic?

They should probably do...something about how Lucina's completely overshadowed Marth in the Ultimate meta.

 

[Laniv]

Here's an idea for a different sort of topic: what new neutral special should Peach be given? to free up toad just for fun

Heart Barrier: Peach summons two hearts on either side of her. If she is attacked during the moment, the hearts will burst to deal damage that knocks opponents away. If an item is thrown out her, she will automatically catch it to use for herself. This frees up Toad to join as a fighter as he should

Which character(s) do you guys think deserves a rework the most, besides Ganondorf and Sonic?

Little Mac holy mother of God Little Mac

I said before that Smash 4's newcomers suffer from prioritizing being unique over being fun, and no one gets it worse than Little Mac. This character is so polarized it's not even funny. Just scrap the "strong on the ground, weak in the air" routine and give him Stars based on how well he does in the fight.

 

[ninjahmos]

I've decided to make a mini moveset for Morrigan:

I think she would play similarly to Ryu & Ken and her normal attacks would obviously be taken from the Darkstalkers series, but I'm not gonna get into that. I'll just focus on the Specials. Her Fighter Ability could be the Special Meter from Darkstalkers, which could change the effect of each special she uses, and/or possibly her Dash.

B: Soul Fist ( + or )

Side+B: Valkyrie Turn ( + or ) (A to Cancel/B for Shell Kick)

Up+B: Shadow Blade ( + or )

Down+B: Vector Drain (Near Opponent + or )

Final Smash: Darkness Illusion/Finishing Shower

So what do you think?

 

[Will]

Little Mac holy mother of God Little Mac

I said before that Smash 4's newcomers suffer from prioritizing being unique over being fun, and no one gets it worse than Little Mac. This character is so polarized it's not even funny. Just scrap the "strong on the ground, weak in the air" routine and give him Stars based on how well he does in the fight.

What do you mean ”how well”? Are you asking to change him to a knowledge-check character with high execution skill needed to even gain Stars? Like, do Stars come from punishing minus moves? From hitting opponents out of their own moves similar to his games?

Furthermore, are you implying to actually give Mac an air game?

 

[ScrubReborn]

Here's an idea for a different sort of topic: what new neutral special should Peach be given? to free up toad just for fun

Make her use her umbrella as a blocker. Do the same thing for Daisy.

 

[Laniv]

What do you mean ”how well”? Are you asking to change him to a knowledge-check character with high execution skill needed to even gain Stars? Like, do Stars come from punishing minus moves? From hitting opponents out of their own moves similar to his games?

Furthermore, are you implying to actually give Mac an air game?

Stars would be gained by:

• Landing several attacks in a row without taking damage
• Landing sweetspots on certain attacks
• Punishing minus moves
• Parrying
• successfully landing Slip Counter on strong enough attacks
• Attacking a taunting opponent

Conversely, Stars would be lost by:

• Mac's shield breaking
• Taking enough damage
• Getting KO'd

Stars would be used to power up certain moves, namely his smash attacks, his neutral special and his up special. With Stars, his neutral special charges faster, and with three stars, it becomes the KO uppercut that everyone knows and loves. His up special gains much more distance with three stars as well.

As for his air game... he doesn't need to be completely helpless, is what I'm saying

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I really hope the Nintendo Switch 2 is announced in January like the original was for 2017 instead of this year.

January is always a very boring month with absolutely nothing going on. Let's spice things up!

The Switch was announced in October.

January is when they revealed a couple games including most of the launch year.

 

[Louie G.]

Furthermore, are you implying to actually give Mac an air game?

Well yeah, it’s one of the most fundamental elements of Smash’s gameplay. After two games it’s clear this isn’t working out.

Having an air game at all doesn’t mean having a good air game. Even remotely competent attacks would be a step up from having four useless aerials and one extremely circumstantial one. That doesn’t make Mac unique on its own - it just makes him bad. If a character’s most defining trait is their weakness, they are practically a joke character.

Kazuya does what Mac set out to do way better. He’s ground oriented, kind of awkward in the air, but he can still fend for himself if need be. I honestly am even a bit resentful that he ended up so good under a similar philosophy and Mac still remains as helpless as he is, lol.

 

[Schnee117]

Well yeah, it’s one of the most fundamental elements of Smash’s gameplay. After two games it’s clear this isn’t working out.

Having an air game at all doesn’t mean having a good air game. Even remotely competent attacks would be a step up from having four useless aerials and one extremely circumstantial one. That doesn’t make Mac unique on its own - it just makes him bad. If a character’s most defining trait is their weakness, they are practically a joke character.

Kazuya does what Mac set out to do way better. He’s ground oriented, kind of awkward in the air, but he can still fend for himself if need be. I honestly am even a bit resentful that he ended up so good under a similar philosophy and Mac still remains as helpless as he is, lol.

It's simple, we inject Mac with the Devil Gene

 

[ninjahmos]

I've mentioned Ridge Racer here before, but I kinda wanna hear Rio Hamamoto do a Smash remix of the Ridge Racer theme:

 

[Slime Scholar]

Little Mac holy mother of God Little Mac

I said before that Smash 4's newcomers suffer from prioritizing being unique over being fun, and no one gets it worse than Little Mac. This character is so polarized it's not even funny. Just scrap the "strong on the ground, weak in the air" routine and give him Stars based on how well he does in the fight.

Giving him the actual star punch would be great, but like you said, being terrible in the air needs to go.

I was so excited to play Little Mac (alongside Mega Man) in the lead up to Smash 4, but at this point I'm prepared to call him a failed experiment. Polarized character designs are fine, IMO, but not having an air game and having such a weak recovery is debilitatingly bad. Doesn't help that he's not fun to fight either.