Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

What helped a lot wasn't simply that Isabelle was being pushed, it's that Sakurai already had a good idea of how an Animal Crossing character can work. He didn't use Villager as a base. Isabelle happened to work similarly to Villager simply because it worked out. It was inevitable some ideas would fit well with her that Villager already used.

If Villager was never in, it would mean he already didn't have an idea for the characters as playable. Isabelle being pushed wouldn't have ultimately helped at all in that regard. Either he has an of idea of what to do or he doesn't. The fact he already did mattered a lot and what made her such an easy character to get in. That context matters a lot. Though it's too bad she wasn't more unique, but her unique factors definitely helped(as it's part of why she couldn't be an Echo, though the "they aren't the same bodyshape" is still the most important part. You can easily get their personality through just fine with animations. Even if they don't change gameplay much. Even the worst one, Daisy, still had her hurtboxes slightly changed(not that you can tell, heh. They're not different enough to know outside of data research)).

Overall, Villager already being in helped a lot to get Isabelle in. That's the main reason I never consider her more than "extremely likely". Because things were not that black and white at any point. There were simply factors we couldn't have known. The only thing that was ever clear was that she couldn't be an Echo due to the wrong bodyshape(and we had a video proving that Isabelle couldn't use Villager's animations properly. They were simply too different). It was treated like Villager was a base for Isabelle, but we know that's not true now. Crazy, right? Which makes it funnier, since Ness used Mario as a base in Smash 64 in comparison, and they're overall way more different from each other than the two AC characters ever were. Hence what I mean by things never being as simple as "duh."

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Truth be told, I really don't see Nook being all that different from Villager/Isabelle in practice.

Which can be both a benefit and a detriment in his inclusion.

On the one hand, it would mean it wouldn't be that difficult to have him join by taking the Villager style as a base and tweaking it more to suit Nook like what was done for Isabelle.

On the other hand, having "Another variation on Villager" in the project proposal may not really be all too appealing for Sakurai to work with regardless of Nook getting more promotion nowadays.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Truth be told, I really don't see Nook being all that different from Villager/Isabelle in practice.

Which can be both a benefit and a detriment in his inclusion.

On the one hand, it would mean it wouldn't be that difficult to have him join by taking the Villager style as a base and tweaking it more to suit Nook like what was done for Isabelle.

On the other hand, having "Another variation on Villager" in the project proposal may not really be all to appealing for Sakurai to work with regardless of Nook getting more promotion nowadays.

Animal Crossing becoming the new Fire Emblem where everyone is just Villager derivatives

 

[Hadokeyblade]

If Shadow was in Smash as a fully unique fighter, I have a rough idea of what I’d like his specials to be:

• Neutral: Chaos Spear
• Side: Doom Wing
• Up: Chaos Dash
• Down: Doom Blast
• Final Smash: Chaos Control

I feel like they'd keep Sonic's homing attack somewhere in the moveset, since both of them can do this.

 

[Garteam]

I think Tom Nook is very likely and there are a lot of angles to take him, but I wouldn't say he's guaranteed just because he's an Animal Crossing mascot.

Isabelle was absurdly pushed in the mid-2010s. If there was something Animal Crossing being sold, she was the face of it. However, post-New Horizons, there isn't really that singular mascot character with a huge gravitational pull like Isabelle once had. Nowadays, the player character, Tom Nook, and Isabelle all kind get pushed as Animal Crossing's face.

Realistically, I think you could have Villager plus one of Tom Nook or Isabelle and Animal Crossing representation would still be fine enough. All three are ideal, but it's not like there would be this massive deficiency in how the series is represented.

 

[dream1ng]

Truth be told, I really don't see Nook being all that different from Villager/Isabelle in practice.

Which can be both a benefit and a detriment in his inclusion.

On the one hand, it would mean it wouldn't be that difficult to have him join by taking the Villager style as a base and tweaking it more to suit Nook like what was done for Isabelle.

On the other hand, having "Another variation on Villager" in the project proposal may not really be all too appealing for Sakurai to work with regardless of Nook getting more promotion nowadays.

This is why I'm not as bullish on Nook as other people.

I think he can be unique, I just have my doubts he would be. And on that basis, I question whether they'd move forward on a third version of the Villager framework. Though I could see him being used if they're deliberately looking for clone padding.

He didn't use Villager as a base. Isabelle happened to work similarly to Villager simply because it worked out.

(from Ultimate's design proposal)

I don't know about that. She's pretty clearly, and seemingly deliberately, a semi-clone.

 

[Idon]

Isabelle has the same forward air, back air, down air, up air, forward tilt, down tilt, neutral special, up special, and the same initial down special.
And that's not counting the identical grab/throws either.

She absolutely is based off of Villager. You don't coincidentally just have half of another guy's moveset from the same series.

 

[NintenZ]

Been playing the Witcher 3 Wild Hunt

Ya know… I’d be down for Geralt with Ciri as an Echo, would be neat!

 

[dream1ng]

I also don't think an attack like Pocket would even make that much sense for Isabelle if Villager had no bearing on her moveset.

It makes sense for Villager since the player character has the inventory. If Villager had no influence on Isabelle, a move that references interacting with the UI is a little weird.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So... The Nintendo Music app was just updated with Super Mario Bros Wonder music.

Are they actually doing it? Are they doing frequent releases?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So... The Nintendo Music app was just updated with Super Mario Bros Wonder music.

Are they actually doing it? Are they doing frequent releases?

If we get one game a day, that's wild.

I doubt this'll happen though.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

So... The Nintendo Music app was just updated with Super Mario Bros Wonder music.

Are they actually doing it? Are they doing frequent releases?

I do think it's interesting that Wonder wasn't even one of the games shown in the trailer when they talked about updates and adding music over time. The seven shown there were Wii Sports, Mario 64, Wind Waker, DKC2, F-Zero X, Skyward Sword, and Splatoon 2.

Granted I expected Wonder would happen soon enough anyway, but honestly considering Nintendo has like 40 years or so of game releases to work with here, one soundtrack a day at least for a while doesn't sound half bad lol

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I think part of the issue is that it's difficult to make an Animal Crossing moveset. Even Sakurai had trouble conceptualizing it at first. So what we get is stuff like:

"Tom Nook should have a moveset involving Bells!"
"How does that work?"
"Uuuuuuuuuuh."

"They should add K.K. Slider!"
"What would he do?"
"Um...he would...sing...and stuff..."

 

[chocolatejr9]

Been playing the Witcher 3 Wild Hunt

Ya know… I’d be down for Geralt with Ciri as an Echo, would be neat!

Have we established if Geralt is eligible for Smash? Or is that still up for debate?

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Have we established if Geralt is eligible for Smash? Or is that still up for debate?

I would think not since I think the video games are based on books, aren't they?

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Have we established if Geralt is eligible for Smash? Or is that still up for debate?

Not really a debate. Even the back of the box draws attention to it being based on literary works.

 

[NintenZ]

Eligible or not, I do think Geralt would be a fun choice for Smash, I’m not gonna have a debate on if he can feasibly be added, just something I think would be pretty cool if it ever happened. I also liked his appearance in Soulcaliber 6.