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You really just wanted to hate on Corrin in this post, didn't you?You forget that people will only buy the DLC IF They like it. For example Geno would amazingly if he brought over as DLC, if you look at all of smash 4's DLC pics, everyone(Except for Corrin(nobody likes Corrin)) was either highly requested in the community or just famous characters, they would WANT to make famous or highly requested characters DLC because they KNOW that that's the only the ONLY way they're going to sell, Corrin was the Worst selling DLC because NOBODY LIKES CORRIN and very few wanted ANOTHER FE character. Viridi's out from the start, and I highly doubt a lot of the non-Nintendo owned characters could be considered for DLC, you make some VERY GOOD POINTS, just remember that CORRIN MUST DIE! NOBODY LOVES YOU!
Bandai Namco helped develop Ultimate? Heihachi was considered for Sm4sh?? That changes everything! Heihachi is one of the likeliest candidates now! Lloyd could be in but it's still not as likely. He has his chances but with the other behemoths waiting to get in, I wouldn't cling to hope that he does manage to slip past them.We know at least one Tales of Port is coming to Switch (Vesperia), and supposedly the only reason Tekken 7 wasn't being ported at launch was lack of access to Switch hardware. With Bandai Namco helping develop Ultimate and a good chance of Switch titles that would line up with these fighters' DLC for promotion, I think these ties are plenty strong. We know Heihachi was already considered and passed over as a fighter for Smash 4, but not sure if that strengthens or weakens his chances
lol my dorm friend LOVES FE, but hates the game she comes from(I know nothing about FE) he's a huge smash fan too and he hated when corrin got shown of, I made it as a joke to him.You really just wanted to hate on Corrin in this post, didn't you?
You're right about people buying DLCs only if they like it. Which is why Geno would actually not do amazingly. Sure, part of the community is requesting him but that community, while vocal, represents a tiny portion of the actual playerbase. You have children playing the game, they've never even heard of Super Mario RPG. They wouldn't know about Geno. Their parents even less, and they're the ones paying. From a commercial PoV, I'd say that instantly excludes Geno from the viable candidates. Hence why I put him as "please and appease". Same for Viridi (I agree with you on her, she likely won't get in).
Bandai Namco helped develop Ultimate? Heihachi was considered for Sm4sh?? That changes everything! Heihachi is one of the likeliest candidates now! Lloyd could be in but it's still not as likely. He has his chances but with the other behemoths waiting to get in, I wouldn't cling to hope that he does manage to slip past them.
Yea this does make sense but just thinking again about smash works most children wouldn't know about simon or ridley but they still got in. Also geno is alot more colorful than alot of the newcomers so children would be more attracted to geno than anything. Don't get me wrong this is still a very valid point. If children got there way we would have FORTNITE PEOPLE JOIN THE BATTLE.You really just wanted to hate on Corrin in this post, didn't you?
You're right about people buying DLCs only if they like it. Which is why Geno would actually not do amazingly. Sure, part of the community is requesting him but that community, while vocal, represents a tiny portion of the actual playerbase. You have children playing the game, they've never even heard of Super Mario RPG. They wouldn't know about Geno. Their parents even less, and they're the ones paying. From a commercial PoV, I'd say that instantly excludes Geno from the viable candidates. Hence why I put him as "please and appease". Same for Viridi (I agree with you on her, she likely won't get in).
I also voted for her in the Smash Ballot. At this point she's a shoe-in! (I wish lol)
and paper Mario and advanced wars chances are dead all together.
Id be very doubtful of a lot of these leaks, especially if they were saying the same thing before the Direct. Sakurai implied they just picked the characters, yet the DLC is the same characters they were saying months ago? "But they are working on the deals!" How long are they going to be working on that Minecraft deal that people knew of it back in June before the game was even announced to a few months down the road that the first DLC character will even be out. What this all looks like to me is that they were wrong about these things initially and now they will be carried over. He said Steve was in and Verge said there was Minecraft content in the game. We know the roster and the stages and there isn't Steve or any Minecraft content (unless its some costume or a Spirit for whatever reason). But now its DLC.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77188739
Words from Senjougahara__Hitagi the other creditable leaker since Vergeben is Backing this person
1. Steve is indeed one of the packs characters
2. Katalina (granblue) still likely despite the “fell through” thing Vergeben mentioned
3. Another western made character is likely one of the packs (for me best I can think of is crash bandicoot)
4. The square rep may be a dragon quest rep
5. The VGA announcement thing may be faulty information
6. Banjo not likely
7. Atlus rep and Bethesda rep not happening
8. Sora, Geno, Bandanna Waddle Dee, Dixie Kong, Rex/Pyra, Professor Layton, Zack Fair, any other Final Fantasy character, Lloyd Irving, Prince of All Cosmos, and any other Bamco rep very likely.....not to happen
9. We will still love the 5 chosen characters regardless
What do you guys think?
Oh I think one of the packs will pull another Corrin with a gen 8 pokemon or a Metroid prime 4 rep (but could really be anybody)
If this is true, I think the final 5 will behttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77188739
Words from Senjougahara__Hitagi the other creditable leaker since Vergeben is Backing this person
1. Steve is indeed one of the packs characters
2. Katalina (granblue) still likely despite the “fell through” thing Vergeben mentioned
3. Another western made character is likely one of the packs (for me best I can think of is crash bandicoot)
4. The square rep may be a dragon quest rep
5. The VGA announcement thing may be faulty information
6. Banjo not likely
7. Atlus rep and Bethesda rep not happening
8. Sora, Geno, Bandanna Waddle Dee, Dixie Kong, Rex/Pyra, Professor Layton, Zack Fair, any other Final Fantasy character, Lloyd Irving, Prince of All Cosmos, and any other Bamco rep very likely.....not to happen
9. We will still love the 5 chosen characters regardless
What do you guys think?
Oh I think one of the packs will pull another Corrin with a gen 8 pokemon or a Metroid prime 4 rep (but could really be anybody)
"Younger audience" isn't the only factor, though, afterall we got Bayonetta. Children probably don't even know who Cloud is, they may just think "oh he looks cool."
this question will make sakurai sad or sexy 
Liked the vid and Lloyd is one character that deserves to be in Smash. Tales of is that massive. But then again, Tekken even more so. Time will tell but crossing my fingers!
Appreciate it! Thank you IsaacBro!
Remember, "Pretty much confirmed" is what we all thought of Shadow the Hedgehog, and look what happened there despite the new Sonic assist trophy and such.
True, I was genuinely surprised that Shadow remained an Assist Trophy. I think Sakurai considered him but figured that no one else could take on the mantle from him to do the same job as an Assist Trophy, and that a unique Trophy added more to the game than another echo fighter (especially since echo fighters tend to be looked down upon).
The weird thing is..... the 3rd party echos are all very similar in their own games. Shadow is nothing like sonic even in his debut and the more I think of it... Shadow rarely does a spin dash. I think that shadow just doesn't make sense as an echo anymore. The exact same is true with isabelle as well, it's obvious that she was supposed to be an echo, but after working on the character the team had to upgrade her to newcomer due to her being very DIFFERENT from villager. The same COULD be true with shadow too, but Sakurai has said many times that 3rd parties are guests and since we've never gotten a second unique rep from any 3rd parties, I think it's safe to assume that shadow could've only gotten in as an echo.
However, this does not mean that third party franchises can only get echoes as second reps. That's a fan rule that Sakurai has shown that he can break.
Um... What?
He's talking about third party franchises having multiple characters.
Yes I am talking the series' not the companies.
People dismissed sonic... until mother****ing snake made it in. And sakurai has said that these are guest characters. I can't prove I'm right..... But you can't prove me wrong.
2nd Unique 3rd party franchise reps can only be echoes is just plain goalpost moving.
Let me be very clear here...... 1. Someone can only be a 3rd party echo if, they were seen as a clone in there own game and 2 if they are similar enough to the character they are echoing in move-set(we've seen this with richter and ken). Shadow was significantly different from sonic in his debut and he never or rarely used a spin dash, Sonics moveset just doesn't work for him.2nd Unique 3rd party franchise reps can only be echoes is just plain goalpost moving.
I do at least agree that it's UNLIKELY. Especially with potentially only 5 spots for Unique newcomers should the fighter pass be all that's left for unique/character DLC in general.
But considering it was once thought we couldn't get more then one per company
Or even 3rd parties even getting a 2nd character in general regardless of the fact that echoes existed
It's just not that impossible for it to happen. Unless Sakurai ever says this is the case, it's nothing more then a fan rule made by speculation in an attempt to rule out potential characters.
I will say again that I do still find it unlikely. Especially in regards to another Sonic character coming from the fighter pass, mostly because I doubt we get 3 Sonic stages. I actually think Tails' best bet is if Echo Fighters outside of the fighter pass are still possible, and Tails makes it in as a Ken-level echo (Now that the obvious echo Shadow might have been ruled out for good due to being AT'd once again). Sonic's main moveset is derived heavily from Sonic the FIghters. Tails also shared many moves with Sonic in the same game. So in a sense, Tails was the Ken of Sonic the Fighters.
Shadow has a Spin dash that was the same as Sonic's in Adventure 2. Though to be fair on that point he hasn't Spin Dashed often since then, but the knowledge of his debut game which also happens to be the peak of his popularity should make it obvious he's capable of it.
Adventure 2 was one game in a series that has been around for 25 years, it's like making toad an echo of peach because in mario america they were both playable and had quite a few similarities. It's not he's not capable it's that it doesn't reflect the character.
Eh, Toad an echo of Peach? That's a little harder to justify than Sonic and Shadow since, well, Sonic and Shadow have very similar body types. Toad and Peach... there's almost nothing to work with there in terms of similarity.
What do you guys think?
I don’t think it’s completely implausible, but I don’t think it will happen.
