Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[DrifloonEmpire]

No?

Why would a leaker give their source? Take it from the guy who extensively catalogued Smash leaks, including those on 4chan, for 3 months. That's suicide for not just them, but their source as well. Furthermore, 4chan is known for a variety of real leaks, such as the ESRB leak, the Sun and Moon leaks, Everyone Is Here! (though it didn't pick up real traction), Intern-kun and the Castlevania music, the DMCV leaks (even though Dante in Smash never happened...), etc. etc. etc. The anonymity of the site facilitates actual leaking, which is what ought to be focused on instead of "4chan bad."

This post makes no sense, random filipino language aside.

Just like any other "leak," take it with a healthy grain of salt and hype responsibly.

There's also the Affleck leak for Sword and Shield, which has consistently been correct.

 

[Deleted member]

No?

Why would a leaker give their source? Take it from the guy who extensively catalogued Smash leaks, including those on 4chan, for 3 months. That's suicide for not just them, but their source as well. Furthermore, 4chan is known for a variety of real leaks, such as the ESRB leak, the Sun and Moon leaks, Everyone Is Here! (though it didn't pick up real traction), Intern-kun and the Castlevania music, the DMCV leaks (even though Dante in Smash never happened...), etc. etc. etc. The anonymity of the site facilitates actual leaking, which is what ought to be focused on instead of "4chan bad."

This post makes no sense, random filipino language aside.

Just like any other "leak," take it with a healthy grain of salt and hype responsibly.

Sigh...always negating everything I say, you win.

 

[Will]

VR Plant was his own source.

And assuming by his lack of participation I assume he got got by Nintinjas

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Also, add on to everything, I recall Ryota Niitsuma mentioning once that Demitri couldn't be in MvC because of all the resources that Capcom would have spend on Midnight Bliss models, so he's probably not going to be in another game for a long time.

This is a little odd considering he was in SNK vs. Capcom, which had a pretty large roster, and he's also not the only one to have such transformation attacks. Perhaps rigging all of the alternate models to implode as the character's blood is sucked dry is the reason why it's so resource intensive for the models as opposed to sprites?

Or maybe the normal sprites for most of the characters are ripped from other games so they could afford it. I dunno.

 

[perfectchaos83]

I do have a question for the sake of my curiosity. Let's say KOS-MOS is indeed FP5, What then would your stance be on the drunk cat leak?

KOS-MOS isn't exactly a non-entity in Smash speculation. She's been thrown around a bit each cycle, but this particular leak mentions both Ryu and Reimu who have both gotten rather interesting leak/insider ****ery after the time of posting.

If KOS-MOS does get revealed, I'd personally really hope it's true, especially because I want Reimu. But, At the end of the day, I can't trust leaks fully. So I won't believe it just because it got KOS-MOS right, but I would keep an eye on it.

VR Plant was his own source.

And assuming by his lack of participation I assume he got got by Nintinjas

VR Plant has never gotten anything more than a couple days in advance. He likely hasn't said anything because he simply doesn't have the information yet.

 

[Izanagi97]

No?

Why would a leaker give their source? Take it from the guy who extensively catalogued Smash leaks, including those on 4chan, for 3 months. That's suicide for not just them, but their source as well. Furthermore, 4chan is known for a variety of real leaks, such as the ESRB leak, the Sun and Moon leaks, Everyone Is Here! (though it didn't pick up real traction), Intern-kun and the Castlevania music, the DMCV leaks (even though Dante in Smash never happened...), etc. etc. etc. The anonymity of the site facilitates actual leaking, which is what ought to be focused on instead of "4chan bad."

This post makes no sense, random filipino language aside.

Just like any other "leak," take it with a healthy grain of salt and hype responsibly.

That's one way to look at 4chan leaks even though it's basically Russian Roulette.

 

[Sysreq]

I do have a question for the sake of my curiosity. Let's say KOS-MOS is indeed FP5, What then would your stance be on the drunk cat leak?

KOS-MOS isn't exactly a non-entity in Smash speculation. She's been thrown around a bit each cycle, but this particular leak mentions both Ryu and Reimu who have both gotten rather interesting leak/insider ****ery after the time of posting.

If KOS-MOS does get revealed, I'd personally really hope it's true, especially because I want Reimu. But, At the end of the day, I can't trust leaks fully. So I won't believe it just because it got KOS-MOS right, but I would keep an eye on it.

I never considered KOS-MOS to be a front-runner, so I would probably keep my eye on it as well, especially since Ryu and Reimu both make sense to a certain degree as characters to add. At the same time though, I feel like Reimu is only being mentioned now because of the music leak and I have to wonder if she would have been replaced with Crash or Lloyd or Doomguy had the music leak never gained traction. It's tough once characters come into the spotlight since fake leaks start using them.

 

[ES. Dinah]

KOS-MOS sure has been talked about tons today. I'm very happy if anything but it doesn't mean the leaks are confirmed yet. I'm praying they are but that is the only thing I can do right now. That being said if the poster is the same guy then he is obviously a member of the development team. Banjo's codename was only revealed to be buddy at release. If this guy knew it in June then damn I think we should keep tabs on him.

And tbh, everyone is going to impersonate the cat pic now so watch out for fakes.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

I do have a question for the sake of my curiosity. Let's say KOS-MOS is indeed FP5, What then would your stance be on the drunk cat leak?

KOS-MOS isn't exactly a non-entity in Smash speculation. She's been thrown around a bit each cycle, but this particular leak mentions both Ryu and Reimu who have both gotten rather interesting leak/insider ****ery after the time of posting.

If KOS-MOS does get revealed, I'd personally really hope it's true, especially because I want Reimu. But, At the end of the day, I can't trust leaks fully. So I won't believe it just because it got KOS-MOS right, but I would keep an eye on it.

VR Plant has never gotten anything more than a couple days in advance. He likely hasn't said anything because he simply doesn't have the information yet.

Hmm... I'd welcome her for being a welcome surprise and being part of the series that was the predecessor to Xenoblade, so that's a plus in my book. I'm not too overly familiar with most of her games or her fighting style (nor have the RNG gods blessed me with her appearance over in Xenoblade 2 - I sure hope that a Xenoblade 3 never has that gacha-light mechanic again), but I think I'd be overall happy if she made her appearance in Smash Bros.

 

[Deleted member]

I do have a question for the sake of my curiosity. Let's say KOS-MOS is indeed FP5, What then would your stance be on the drunk cat leak?

KOS-MOS isn't exactly a non-entity in Smash speculation. She's been thrown around a bit each cycle, but this particular leak mentions both Ryu and Reimu who have both gotten rather interesting leak/insider ****ery after the time of posting.

If KOS-MOS does get revealed, I'd personally really hope it's true, especially because I want Reimu. But, At the end of the day, I can't trust leaks fully. So I won't believe it just because it got KOS-MOS right, but I would keep an eye on it.



VR Plant has never gotten anything more than a couple days in advance. He likely hasn't said anything because he simply doesn't have the information yet.

Hard to say really, I feel that an JRPG/ARPG character is likely for fighter 5 due to the content that we are currently lacking (mostly Mii costumes from RPG characters, Fighting games and Megaman). KOS-MOS might be the dark horse on the race regarding JRPG/ARPG characters but like her fanbase has pointed out, she could be very well be backed by Monolith Soft which is increasingly becoming a major force within Nintendo and they still put her front and center in the artwork for their 25th anniversary website.

Currently Namco is the only company in the main roster that hasn't got any content in regards to Mii costumes nor a fighter in the pass. While Capcom hasn't got either a fighter nor the complete costumes, Monster Hunter, the only possible contender might be an issue due to the creators focus on the monsters plus Rathalos already on the game so while possible it could ot happen. SE still has two costumes missing but they could still be added along the JRPG/ARPG pick.

My take like before hasn't changed much, I'm kinda betting on a Dark Sould character myself followed by a Tales character and lastly MH for Fighter 5 (with the Gil, Lloyd, Geno, Chocobo and possible extra costumes) and a Capcom character for Fighter 6 with the remaining Megaman and MH costumes being added with them. Right now the only difference is that KOS-MOS might be an unknown contender for being in the game regardless of 4chan posts, and as game has shown before I don't think they care if people know about a character or not nor if the character is big enough.

 

[Deleted member]

I do have a question for the sake of my curiosity. Let's say KOS-MOS is indeed FP5, What then would your stance be on the drunk cat leak

Lile I said, having her in would be quite surprising. Though as time would come, people would soon get interested in her that they would warrant this character to be truly in the game.

Also for the fact that we finally have a female character that- scratch that, she would rock.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Dammit, we're missing somebody. I can feel it, there's a series, a company, a character that's right under our noses. I can feel it but I can't put my finger on who it is...

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Dammit, we're missing somebody. I can feel it, there's a series, a company, a character that's right under our noses. I can feel it but I can't put my finger on who it is...

Angry Birds!

 

[Ben Holt]

Hard to say really, I feel that an JRPG/ARPG character is likely for fighter 5 due to the content that we are currently lacking (mostly Mii costumes from RPG characters, Fighting games and Megaman). KOS-MOS might be the dark horse on the race regarding JRPG/ARPG characters but like her fanbase has pointed out, she could be very well be backed by Monolith Soft which is increasingly becoming a major force within Nintendo and they still put her front and center in the artwork for their 25th anniversary website.

Currently Namco is the only company in the main roster that hasn't got any content in regards to Mii costumes nor a fighter in the pass. While Capcom hasn't got either a fighter nor the complete costumes, Monster Hunter, the only possible contender might be an issue due to the creators focus on the monsters plus Rathalos already on the game so while possible it could ot happen. SE still has two costumes missing but they could still be added along the JRPG/ARPG pick.

My take like before hasn't changed much, I'm kinda betting on a Dark Sould character myself followed by a Tales character and lastly MH for Fighter 5 (with the Gil, Lloyd, Geno, Chocobo and possible extra costumes) and a Capcom character for Fighter 6 with the remaining Megaman and MH costumes being added with them. Right now the only difference is that KOS-MOS might be an unknown contender for being in the game regardless of 4chan posts, and as game has shown before I don't think they care if people know about a character or not nor if the character is big enough.

I think Lloyd and Heihachi are the front-runners from Namco. Followed closely by Chosen Undead and Agumon.
If we ever get DLC echos, then Ms. Pac-Man is a prime candidate.

 

[BZL8]

Dammit, we're missing somebody. I can feel it, there's a series, a company, a character that's right under our noses. I can feel it but I can't put my finger on who it is...

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if we get a wild pick like Joker.

 

[Fenriraga]

Dammit, we're missing somebody. I can feel it, there's a series, a company, a character that's right under our noses. I can feel it but I can't put my finger on who it is...

I've honestly been feeling the same way.

I have this gut feeling Challenger 5 is going to be the most "Oh, wow, that makes sense but is still wild" pick that literally no one is going to predict. I don't know why I feel that way, but yeah.

 

[perfectchaos83]

KOS-MOS sure has been talked about tons today. I'm very happy if anything but it doesn't mean the leaks are confirmed yet. I'm praying they are but that is the only thing I can do right now. That being said if the poster is the same guy then he is obviously a member of the development team. Banjo's codename was only revealed to be buddy at release. If this guy knew it in June then damn I think we should keep tabs on him.

And tbh, everyone is going to impersonate the cat pic now so watch out for fakes.

This is particularly why I never wanted this leak to be talked about until after FP5's reveal. Lol. I knew that it would be used after the fact.

I'd had it saved since it was posted.

 

[Sysreq]

Followed closely by Chosen Undead and Agumon.

Not gonna lie, I cannot see the argument for Agumon, especially over KOS-MOS. KOS-MOS is Namco's crossover queen and I have no idea why they'd choose a character known primarily for toys and anime over her.

 

[Shroob]

The heck is Drunk Cat leak?


My god these leaks get weirder and weirder names.

 

[Ben Holt]

My gut says Doom Slayer. He fits color theory, as his background would likely be a redish orange like the old DOOM boxarts.
But the main reason is that the rumors about him have stuck around, and usually if a rumor sticks, it usually has something to it.
He also fits what I call "Variety Theory".
We have a brawler (Terry) and a swordfighter (Hero), so fighter 5 would likely be a gunner, and Doom Slayer is the most likely candidate for a gunner.
Ryu Hayabusa is another swordfighter, Crash is too similar to Banjo, and Geno is a Spirit (which I think deconfirms characters in THIS Fighter's Pass, not later ones). But I see these as likely candidates in the future.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Oh my god, I think the last character might be from Ubisoft...

I didn't even think about it but, Grant Kirkhope said that the way he got ahold of Sakurai and got his chance for Smash was THROUGH Ubisoft.

Mario + Rabbids was a collaborative effort that released in 2017.

If the character is not from Koei-Tecmo, and they're not from Bethesda, I think they're from Ubisoft...

It's just a hunch, just an observation, but we may be getting Rayman or an Assassin? I'm in full on conspiracy mode right now. Is Ezio ****ing incoming though? Like, it makes sense because of how big Assassin's Creed is, and the timeline makes sense too, and even the out of nowhere thing that no one would expect is there...

I **** you not I think it might be an Assassin's Creed character...

Edit: If Spirits deconfirm then that would mean that the Rabbids and Rayman are OUT... and what is Ubisoft's biggest franchise? Oh god.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Sabi isn't the one who's saying "No Ryu or Crash for 5", its an Nintendo insider in their circle.

Its literally straight from the horse's mouth (in this case the horse is Nintendo)

Oh my! Straight from a fake insider you say? Well I guess that's that!

Papa compiles all of the "leaks", "rumors", etc and tries to objectively make sense of it all w the fans

Which is nice of him. But since they're all fake to begin with, it's just a handy compilation of lies.

5 Tetris spirits coming to Smash this weekend

Please, God, let the spirit have the fake manual names. I want my Orange Ricky and my Cleveland Z...

And when the hell does Color Game 15 get a spirit! It's the only AT that doesn't have one!

 

[perfectchaos83]

The heck is Drunk Cat leak?


My god these leaks get weirder and weirder names.

It's what I've been calling it due to the picture associated with it

 

[Calamitas]

Anyone else feel like the next kind of Smash presentation is likely to happen in early November? I mean, by that point, it'll have been exactly one year since the reveal of the full base game roster, as well as the existance of the Fighter Pass. I dunno, I just feel like it would be a fitting way to end the Pass to have its full contents be known exactly one year after announcement.

Dammit, we're missing somebody. I can feel it, there's a series, a company, a character that's right under our noses. I can feel it but I can't put my finger on who it is...

Nintendo.

 

[Shroob]

Oh my! Straight from a fake insider you say? Well I guess that's that!

Which is nice of him. But since they're all fake to begin with, it's just a handy compilation of lies.

Please, God, let the spirit have the fake manual names. I want my Orange Ricky and my Cleveland Z...

And when the hell does Color Game 15 get a spirit! It's the only AT that doesn't have one!

Do you think Verg's fake?

I think Sabi's a fake but I feel like you're the kinda dude who would think Verg's fake too after all this. Just an observation.

 

[Sysreq]

Oh my god, I think the last character might be from Ubisoft...

I didn't even think about it but, Grant Kirkhope said that the way he got ahold of Sakurai and got his chance for Smash was THROUGH Ubisoft.

Mario + Rabbids was a collaborative effort that released in 2017.

If the character is not from Koei-Tecmo, and they're not from Bethesda, I think they're from Ubisoft...

It's just a hunch, just an observation, but we may be getting Rayman or an Assassin? I'm in full on conspiracy mode right now. Is Ezio ****ing incoming though? Like, it makes sense because of how big Assassin's Creed is, and the timeline makes sense too, and even the out of nowhere thing that no one would expect is there...

I **** you not I think it might be an Assassin's Creed character...

Edit: If Spirits deconfirm then that would mean that the Rabbids and Rayman are OUT... and what is Ubisoft's biggest franchise? Oh god.

Uhh, I mean, Namco, Capcom, Konami...They're not in the Fighter's Pass yet. Is your hunch based on companies not in the FP?

 

[DarthEnderX]

Do you think Verg's fake?

I think Sabi's a fake but I feel like you're the kinda dude who would think Verg's fake too after all this. Just an observation.

EVERYTHING IS LIES!

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Uhh, I mean, Namco, Capcom, Konami...They're not in the Fighter's Pass yet. Is your hunch based on companies not in the FP?

Yeah, I don't think the last one is from a company already in. I really don't.

 

[Shroob]

EVERYTHING IS LIES!

Well, you do you.

Sabi's shaky as hell with her Nintendo **** to the point I don't believe her... for Nintendo, but she got all of Microsoft, Bethesda and Square's E3 perfectly and almost in order. She's got good info.... for everything NOT Nintendo.


And then Verg's Verg.

 

[Sysreq]

Yeah, I don't think the last one is from a company already in. I really don't.

Yeah, well that's just like, your opinion, man.

 

[BZL8]

I've got a ridiculous theory for the Fighter Pass characters. Anyone want to hear it?

 

[Ben Holt]

Well, you do you.

Sabi's shaky as hell with her Nintendo **** to the point I don't believe her... for Nintendo, but she got all of Microsoft, Bethesda and Square's E3 perfectly and almost in order. She's got good info.... for everything NOT Nintendo.


And then Verg's Verg.

As PapaGenos said, leaks are a game of telephone.
We know that Sabi and Vergeben have telephones, but we don't know how reliable their signal is.

 

[Shroob]

As PapaGenos said, leaks are a game of telephone.
We know that Sabi and Vergeben have telephones, but we don't know how reliable their signal is.

I'd say Verg's the only reliable one.

Sabi.... not so much.

 

[Ben Holt]

I'd say Verg's the only reliable one.

Sabi.... not so much.

I mean, Nintendo DID threaten to sue her.

 

[Shroob]

I mean, Nintendo DID threaten to sue her.

Rule 1# of a C&D

Don't talk about a C&D.


People have pointed out numerous flaws with her C&D and the fact she so openly talks about it is incredibly suspect.

 

[Ben Holt]

Well, if Sabi comes out and says that she's sure of a character being in Smash, I'm gonna bet on it.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

After talking to some people I think Sabi... just slipped up. I'm still wary of her, I think she has a loose lip, her C&D is fishy without a doubt, from the outside looking in it looks like she's just playing with us, but I think she's sincere. She messed up and backpedaled but the reason why is because her new source is the best of the best apparently.

If anyone knows the character it's them and if they aren't giving out the name and just saying who it isn't, it probably puts Sabi in a weird place. Especially since Hayabusa's name has been flying around all of Fighter Pass Speculation. I'm willing to bet Hayabusa is a Hero situation and comes after Pack 5.

 

[Zeox]

The last character is gonna be the most cosplayed character of all time.

 

[BZL8]

At least one person wants to hear my stupid theory so here it is.

Allow me to present my ridiculous Fighter Pass theory: The Dragon Quest Vocation Theory! In Dragon Quest III, VI, VII, and IX, you had the option of changing a character's class (barring the Hero's). And though some games didn't allow players to change a character's vocation, they fell under recurring classes in the series (DQXI example: Erik is a thief, Veronica is a mage, Rab and Serena are priests, Jade a martial artist, etc.) So far, each one of the Fighter Pass characters has represented a prominent recurring vocation/class in the Dragon Quest series. Let's see:

• represents the Hero class (duh). The Hero is its own class and can't be changed.
• represents the Thief class.
• (Icon for Terry would go here) represents the Martial Artist class.
• may seem weird at first, but bear in mind (no pun intended) that Banjo was originally conceived as a sword-wielder. That makes Banjo an honorary representation of the Warrior class.

The last major Dragon Quest class we haven't seen been represented by a Fighter Pass character is the Mage class or the Priest class. This must mean that FP5 must either represent the mage class, priest class, or both. Obviously, there is other classes that I didn't cover, but the Hero, Thief, Martial Artist, Mage, and Priest are the most frequently recurring classes in the Dragon Quest series.

There you have it people, I've solved the case of FP5! Pack it up! Case closed!

 

[Izanagi97]

Probably sucks for whoever is updating the wiki with all the rumors