Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Cutie Gwen]

I played Shovel Knight Showdown for the first time. Just add literally every character from that game in Smash, even the regular enemies would be cool

 

[extremeturkey]

Somehow I didn't know this thread existed. I thought it was only character-specific posts on this forum.

Anyway, and I know this is an unpopular opinion on this website, Fawful is the best Mario RPG character and would be the best one to put into SSB.

 

[Monue]

but I’ve been thinking about it and I think we might be sleeping on Bomberman a bit. Now I know he’s an AT, but hear me out.

I'd kill for Bomberman, Isaac is my most wanted character and AT upgrade, but Bomberman would be awesome. I played Bomberman 64 like crazy when I was a kid.

 

[Deleted member]

Reject Toxicitry
Embrace Appletun

Yes. Also now I'm hungry, thanks.
Apple pie is amazing.

I played Shovel Knight Showdown for the first time. Just add literally every character from that game in Smash, even the regular enemies would be cool

You have piqued my interest.

 

[SKX31]

Nah we'll get Football Manager
Moves will include the Fergie Hairdryer, tossing a boot, parking the bus, car window interviews, Herrera's super saiyan celebration and complaining to an official

Yes, YES!

I WASN'T SURE IF ANYONE ELSE HERE WOULD GET IT! THAT'S WHY I HESISTATED UNTIL NOW!

BEHOLD!

What's worth noting is that the Smash playlist was updated due to a Japan only streamed tournament being uploaded yesterday:

Oh yeah, that Japan-exclusive ladder (and tournament sponsored by Nintendo and ad agency CyberZ). It's under the online:

There were quite a few Western pros who were complaining about the fact that NoJ has an official online ladder but not NoA nor NoE when this was first discovered (August 20th). Same thing has happened with Splatoon / ARMS at certain points - that NoJ has hosted tournaments / stuff while neither NoA nor NoE has. But I'm with MVD (another top pro) on this - it appears to be a testrun (going back to February, but still).

The tournament Finals the youtube video was about took place yesterday.

 

[Shroob]

I still feel like the best course of action is to somehow look back and check if the Direct Archive being updated is strong enough evidence. It occurred for the Mario Direct yes, but 1 does not make a pattern.


epicmartin7 was the person who originally pointed it out, though they didn't the 2nd update post-Direct iirc, so do you have any way to go back and check if these updates were 100% confirmation of something coming, or are there a bunch of false positives mixed in?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Somehow I didn't know this thread existed. I thought it was only character-specific posts on this forum.

Anyway, and I know this is an unpopular opinion on this website, Fawful is the best Mario RPG character and would be the best one to put into SSB.

in all seriousness, at least it's not a certain puppet for the millionth time

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

someone brought up which companies we might see in the rest of the pass earlier in the thread and most people seem to dismiss Konami, but I’ve been thinking about it and I think we might be sleeping on Bomberman a bit. Now I know he’s an AT, but hear me out.

It strikes me that, particularly in the case of third party characters, a character becoming an AT seems to, at least on Nintendo’s side of things, indicate some degree of importance associated with the character. I mean Nintendo went to the trouble of negotiating rights for that character to be in the game while knowing there were no plans to make them playable. They wouldn’t do that for just any character. It seems to me that, knowing a character wouldn’t make the game based on their current plans, a third party character getting AT is Nintendo throwing them and their fans a bone.

But things have changed and now more characters are being added. So why wouldn’t they revisit them? It still doesn’t make sense that an earlier decision to make them an AT would hold them back, especially as like I said, these are clearly characters that Nintendo felt important enough to include at all to begin with.

On top of this, they already negotiated the rights to that character. While I’m sure the change would require further negotiation, it stand to reason that this implies the dev is willing to play ball and I assume the process would be much easier.

I agree that there's no technical reason as to why an Assist Trophy can't be promoted, however, since they've been officially stated multiple times to disconfirm fighters, I think we have to assume that they're still off the table. Especially since they since they seemed to purposely not select Spring Man to represent ARMS even though he'd be the best at doing so.

Not expecting anything until next month at best. It seems that the Mario anniversary will be making up most of their major announcements for the rest of the year...

If they haven't already tipped their entire hand with the Super Mario stuff, I'd say a Super Mario character could be back on the table.

 

[SNEKeater]

-SEGA's two other reps technically weren't created at SEGA. By definition, the door for a pure SEGA rep was always open.

I mean I get your point but Joker and Bayonetta are still SEGA representatives. If they're more associated with Atlus/Platinum Games, that's another thing.

If not, we could say the same about Byleth or Dark Samus not really being Nintendo reps because they were created by IS/Retro Studios.

I want Challenger Pack 7 as much as the next person, but do we actually think conversation is gonna change drastically after reveal?

I gotta be honest and say, I doubt it.

Well, it depends in who's FP7. Whoever it is, speculation will change or adapt to the new opinions, rules and theories that people will come with according to the new character.

For example, if FP7 is an assist trophy, people will start to speculate on more AT promotions for this pass. If it's first party, people's perception is that this pass will be only first party or dominated by them. If it's someone like Sora, people will start to dream and guess that the next characters will be 3rd party big hitters or something like that.

Personally I'm expecting a third party character, but who knows.

I finished Trails in the Sky FC and just started SC and I'm now more supportive towards Estelle or Falcom in general being represented in Smash. I don't know how likely it is but it definitely has a chance of happening much like SNK so I'd be down for it to happen.

I finished Sky FC recently as well! Glad to see you've enjoyed it. The game was really, really great. I'd definitely recommend it to anyone who wants a somewhat light hearted JRPG with a deep world building, charmful characters and fantastic soundtrack. A good example of the music:

I'll start with the Second Chapter soon, really excited to see how the story goes. As for Estelle's chances in regards to Smash, I'd say she feels like a dark horse pick, but I definitely think it isn't impossible to get either her or another Falcom rep. I bet they wouldn't be expensive to work with, and their relationship with Nintendo seems to have improved in the past years. As for the merits, they have the history, influence and quality that some would expect.

I'd dare to say that to me Falcom is one of those companies/developers I feel they're share some similarities to SNK. Obviously, this doesn't guarantee nothing in the context of Smash, but it isn't a negative point neither.

Anyway, I'd be also down for Estelle. I think she could be very cool and interesting in terms of moveset. And she uses a staff, so no one could complain that she's a swordfighter lmao.

 

[7NATOR]

someone brought up which companies we might see in the rest of the pass earlier in the thread and most people seem to dismiss Konami, but I’ve been thinking about it and I think we might be sleeping on Bomberman a bit. Now I know he’s an AT, but hear me out.

It strikes me that, particularly in the case of third party characters, a character becoming an AT seems to, at least on Nintendo’s side of things, indicate some degree of importance associated with the character. I mean Nintendo went to the trouble of negotiating rights for that character to be in the game while knowing there were no plans to make them playable. They wouldn’t do that for just any character. It seems to me that, knowing a character wouldn’t make the game based on their current plans, a third party character getting AT is Nintendo throwing them and their fans a bone.

But things have changed and now more characters are being added. So why wouldn’t they revisit them? It still doesn’t make sense that an earlier decision to make them an AT would hold them back, especially as like I said, these are clearly characters that Nintendo felt important enough to include at all to begin with.

On top of this, they already negotiated the rights to that character. While I’m sure the change would require further negotiation, it stand to reason that this implies the dev is willing to play ball and I assume the process would be much easier.

And a fun little thing about Bomberman in particular is that him appearing on stage as both an AT and playable character at the same time wouldn’t even be weird canonically. Just make them different colors and you’re good.

Same goes for Monster Hunter tbh. MH got significant content on release knowing that it wasn’t in the cards for base game or DLC. But like I said things have clearly changed and we got more DLC. So, given that, why wouldn’t Nintendo revisit that once new plans are being made? Clearly MH and Bomberman are important enough to go through the trouble of negotiating for. It stands to reason that they would be at least considered now.

Of course it’s possible they got the AT status because they were deemed unworkable for playable for whatever reason. But we certainly don’t have any insight on that and from our perspective it could have just been that they had time and resources for x characters and they unfortunately got sidelined due to happenstance.

I actually was gonna make a Post about how Bomberman is Slept on

Since when he was likely negotiated for Smash, Super BomberMan R came out in 2017 and was the first game in his franchise to reach 1 Million Sales. I think also the fact that he's in the game currently as an AT, when other franchises like Puyo Puyo, Contra, Tales Of, Devil May Cry, Ace Attorney, and others are left out currently is i think something to consider. He still has a notable fanbase, even if he peaked in Brawl. I think he has more going for him than people give him credit for. Honestly if Konami were to get another character, I think Bomberman is easily the front contender

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

in all seriousness, at least it's not a certain puppet for the millionth time

You know, for a collective that seems to want Geno out of their lives, you all seem to talk about him a lot.

 

[Deleted member]

Everyone, I made an essay.

Here is why Geno has a great shot for Smash Bros:

Spoiler

A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.

Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?

Two things result from this fact:

I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a power.

II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Communism with a manifesto of the party itself.

To this end, Communists of various nationalities have assembled in London and sketched the following manifesto, to be published in the English, French, German, Italian, Flemish and Danish languages.

I hope you enjoy my essay!

 

[Guynamednelson]

someone brought up which companies we might see in the rest of the pass earlier in the thread and most people seem to dismiss Konami, but I’ve been thinking about it and I think we might be sleeping on Bomberman a bit. Now I know he’s an AT, but hear me out.

It strikes me that, particularly in the case of third party characters, a character becoming an AT seems to, at least on Nintendo’s side of things, indicate some degree of importance associated with the character. I mean Nintendo went to the trouble of negotiating rights for that character to be in the game while knowing there were no plans to make them playable. They wouldn’t do that for just any character. It seems to me that, knowing a character wouldn’t make the game based on their current plans, a third party character getting AT is Nintendo throwing them and their fans a bone.

But things have changed and now more characters are being added. So why wouldn’t they revisit them? It still doesn’t make sense that an earlier decision to make them an AT would hold them back, especially as like I said, these are clearly characters that Nintendo felt important enough to include at all to begin with.

On top of this, they already negotiated the rights to that character. While I’m sure the change would require further negotiation, it stand to reason that this implies the dev is willing to play ball and I assume the process would be much easier.

And a fun little thing about Bomberman in particular is that him appearing on stage as both an AT and playable character at the same time wouldn’t even be weird canonically. Just make them different colors and you’re good.

Same goes for Monster Hunter tbh. MH got significant content on release knowing that it wasn’t in the cards for base game or DLC. But like I said things have clearly changed and we got more DLC. So, given that, why wouldn’t Nintendo revisit that once new plans are being made? Clearly MH and Bomberman are important enough to go through the trouble of negotiating for. It stands to reason that they would be at least considered now.

Of course it’s possible they got the AT status because they were deemed unworkable for playable for whatever reason. But we certainly don’t have any insight on that and from our perspective it could have just been that they had time and resources for x characters and they unfortunately got sidelined due to happenstance.

You know, I don't think this thread really acknowledges merits a promoted AT can have beyond its fanbase not having to wait ten years to see if there's another chance. For example, after Sakurai decided against making Takamaru playable due to international unfamiliarity, Nintendo has since added Takamaru's Ninja Castle to Nintendo Land and The Mysterious Murasame Castle to the international 3DS Eshop. Nintendo might want Sakurai to acknowledge things have changed since then.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Everyone, I made an essay.

Here is why Geno has a great shot for Smash Bros:

Spoiler

A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.

Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?

Two things result from this fact:

I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a power.

II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Communism with a manifesto of the party itself.

To this end, Communists of various nationalities have assembled in London and sketched the following manifesto, to be published in the English, French, German, Italian, Flemish and Danish languages.

I hope you enjoy my essay!

...

Whaaaat?

 

[Goombaic]

If they haven't already tipped their entire hand with the Super Mario stuff, I'd say a Super Mario character could be back on the table.

The way I see it, if a Mario character is in the pass, they'll be announced when the Smash team wants to reveal them. Even if the Mario anniversary goes by without a Mario character announcement, I still won't believe that Mario characters are out of the running.

 

[Guynamednelson]

...

Whaaaat?

Embrace communism by...hoping it's worth it to give your money to a billion dollar corporation. Or something.

 

[Deleted member]

Embrace communism by...hoping it's worth it to give your money to a billion dollar corporation. Or something.

It is a ****post, don't take it too seriously.

 

[SirCamp]

I agree that there's no technical reason as to why an Assist Trophy can't be promoted, however, since they've been officially stated multiple times to disconfirm fighters, I think we have to assume that they're still off the table. Especially since they since they seemed to purposely not select Spring Man to represent ARMS even though he'd be the best at doing so.

Tbh that is not what I got out of that presentation at all with respect for Springman. If him being an AT was the primary reasoning for not choosing him there is really no reason for them not to say as much. It’s fully the type of nugget of info Sakurai would include in his presentations anyway.

And uh... can you point me to where they’ve stayed AT disconfirms?? This is the first I’m hearing of this. Ive only ever heard people talk about it because it wouldn’t really make sense to plan a character as playable and as an AT at the same time if we assume base and DLC planning were concurrent, which is no longer the case making that point fairly irrelevant. Well that and precedent. But again that doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Everyone, I made an essay.

Here is why Geno has a great shot for Smash Bros:

Spoiler

A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.

Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?

Two things result from this fact:

I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a power.

II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Communism with a manifesto of the party itself.

To this end, Communists of various nationalities have assembled in London and sketched the following manifesto, to be published in the English, French, German, Italian, Flemish and Danish languages.

I hope you enjoy my essay!

I don't know what to say other than...

 

[Guynamednelson]

And uh... can you point me to where they’ve stayed AT disconfirms?? This is the first I’m hearing of this. Ive only ever heard people talk about it because it wouldn’t really make sense to plan a character as playable and as an AT at the same time if we assume base and DLC planning were concurrent, which is no longer the case making that point fairly irrelevant. Well that and precedent. But again that doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

Sakurai did say that Waluigi's AT meant he won't be a playable character back in his Miiverse posts

Which is of course an old post and simply means that they didn't plan on making Waluigi playable at the time.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

And uh... can you point me to where they’ve stayed AT disconfirms?? This is the first I’m hearing of this. Ive only ever heard people talk about it because it wouldn’t really make sense to plan a character as playable and as an AT at the same time if we assume base and DLC planning were concurrent, which is no longer the case making that point fairly irrelevant. Well that and precedent. But again that doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

It's stated during two different announcements concerning Waluigi's Assist Trophies status: one on the Super Smash Bros. DOJO!, and the other as one of the Pics of the Day.

Like I said, unless they do something to contradict this, Assist Trophies are pretty much 100% off the table.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Something that is interesting is that Bomberman is one of the few Assist Trophies from third party franchises without any fighters in Smash along with Shovel Knight, Akira, Rathalos, & Yuri. (Wright's kind of a weird gray area). Any one of them could make for a natural choice in getting more out of the franchise they're representing, especially Bomberman who only has his one spirit.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I just think Bomberman was made an AT cause it was hard to translate his repertoire to a playable Smash moveset. Same with Yuri Kozukata

 

[SirCamp]

Sakurai did say that Waluigi's AT meant he won't be a playable character back in his Miiverse posts

Which is of course an old post and simply means that they didn't plan on making Waluigi playable at the time.

Yeah I do remember this one. But like you said there is no reason to assume this means anything beyond base game since that’s what he was talking about at the time. And like I said that makes sense. There wouldn’t be any reason to spend time developing a character as an AT and as playable at the same time. But if one was developed as an AT for base because other characters took precedence for whatever reason, there’s no reason this couldnt be revisited if things change down the road. In fact I expect it would make things easier if anything. And like I said clearly the AT characters were already deemed important enough to include once.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

It's stated during two different announcements concerning Waluigi's Assist Trophies status: one on the Super Smash Bros. DOJO!, and the other as one of the Pics of the Day.

Like I said, unless they do something to contradict this, Assist Trophies are pretty much 100% off the table.

The Smash DOJO was for Brawl, which didn't and couldn't have any DLC, meaning Assist Trophies were indeed an actual deconfirmation back then.

The Pic of the Day post for Smash 4 was, as previously said, an old post that basically meant they had no plans for making Waluigi playable back then.

Those posts were relevant for their respective games, but now, when we're well into Smash Ultimate's DLC cycle and they know how much fans want to see Assist Trophy characters like Waluigi become playable? Those posts mean nothing.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Something that is interesting is that Bomberman is one of the few Assist Trophies from third party franchises without any fighters in Smash along with Shovel Knight, Akira, Rathalos, & Yuri.

Is Fatal Frame not a Nintendo IP? I think Nintendo owns at least some of it, though my info comes from what I can remember offhand from a Nitro Rad video and a list containing all of Nintendo's IPs (though said list said that Nintendo both fully and partially owned the The Legendary Starfy series so...).

 

[SharkLord]

someone brought up which companies we might see in the rest of the pass earlier in the thread and most people seem to dismiss Konami, but I’ve been thinking about it and I think we might be sleeping on Bomberman a bit. Now I know he’s an AT, but hear me out.

It strikes me that, particularly in the case of third party characters, a character becoming an AT seems to, at least on Nintendo’s side of things, indicate some degree of importance associated with the character. I mean Nintendo went to the trouble of negotiating rights for that character to be in the game while knowing there were no plans to make them playable. They wouldn’t do that for just any character. It seems to me that, knowing a character wouldn’t make the game based on their current plans, a third party character getting AT is Nintendo throwing them and their fans a bone.

But things have changed and now more characters are being added. So why wouldn’t they revisit them? It still doesn’t make sense that an earlier decision to make them an AT would hold them back, especially as like I said, these are clearly characters that Nintendo felt important enough to include at all to begin with.

On top of this, they already negotiated the rights to that character. While I’m sure the change would require further negotiation, it stand to reason that this implies the dev is willing to play ball and I assume the process would be much easier.

And a fun little thing about Bomberman in particular is that him appearing on stage as both an AT and playable character at the same time wouldn’t even be weird canonically. Just make them different colors and you’re good.

Same goes for Monster Hunter tbh. MH got significant content on release knowing that it wasn’t in the cards for base game or DLC. But like I said things have clearly changed and we got more DLC. So, given that, why wouldn’t Nintendo revisit that once new plans are being made? Clearly MH and Bomberman are important enough to go through the trouble of negotiating for. It stands to reason that they would be at least considered now.

Of course it’s possible they got the AT status because they were deemed unworkable for playable for whatever reason. But we certainly don’t have any insight on that and from our perspective it could have just been that they had time and resources for x characters and they unfortunately got sidelined due to happenstance.

Something I'd like to note is that we only got six unique newcomers, and a measly four stages. Out of those four stages, the only one that wasn't the latest hot stuff was Castlevania, fellow Konami series and among the most represented third-parties in Smash (Not that I'm complaining). I'd imagine characters from new series like Isaac, Shovel Knight, and Bomberman himself were passed over because they'd need a new stage to come with them, and that would require time beyond what the dev team had.

Sakurai did say that Waluigi's AT meant he won't be a playable character back in his Miiverse posts

Which is of course an old post and simply means that they didn't plan on making Waluigi playable at the time.

Yeah, that post is about six years old now and applied to the base game of the previous installment. I think the status ATs are debatable until Sakurai reconfirms them in the new context of Ultimate's DLC.

And yes, I know abut Spring Man, but if he was passed over for being an AT, I'd imagine Sakurai would've said it flat-out. Instead, Sakurai went to Yabuki, who clarified that everyone was the protagonist, not just Spring Man, and singled out Min Min as the one he wanted. Seems pretty clear to me.

Is Fatal Frame not a Nintendo IP? I think Nintendo owns at least some of it, though my info comes from what I can remember offhand from a Nitro Rad video and a list containing all of Nintendo's IPs (though said list said that Nintendo both fully and partially owned the The Legendary Starfy series so...).

Sorta. It started out as a Koei-Tecmo game, but Nintendo picked it up and gained co-ownership. As a result, I'd imagine it would be a bit easier to negotiate the rights to it, but they'd still need to pay Koei-Tecmo a little.

 

[SirCamp]

It's stated during two different announcements concerning Waluigi's Assist Trophies status: one on the Super Smash Bros. DOJO!, and the other as one of the Pics of the Day.

Like I said, unless they do something to contradict this, Assist Trophies are pretty much 100% off the table.

Gonna be honest this strikes as taking a statement about ATs at face value without context. I don’t think it at all follows that ATs are necessarily disconfirmed based on the Waluigi tweet for the reason I posted in my last post.

Also I gotta say, the difference in engagement now that I’m talking about ATs/Bomberman compared to when I was talking about Farmer Pete is stark. I guess people just really don’t care to talk about him. Either that or I need to stop posting at 5 am and expecting people to see my posts lol.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yeah I do remember this one. But like you said there is no reason to assume this means anything beyond base game since that’s what he was talking about at the time. And like I said that makes sense. There wouldn’t be any reason to spend time developing a character as an AT and as playable at the same time. But if one was developed as an AT for base because other characters took precedence for whatever reason, there’s no reason this couldnt be revisited if things change down the road. In fact I expect it would make things easier if anything. And like I said clearly the AT characters were already deemed important enough to include once.

The Smash DOJO was for Brawl, which didn't and couldn't have any DLC, meaning Assist Trophies were indeed an actual deconfirmation back then.

The Pic of the Day post for Smash 4 was, as previously said, an old post that basically meant they had no plans for making Waluigi playable back then.

Those posts were relevant for their respective games, but now, when we're well into Smash Ultimate's DLC cycle and they know how much fans want to see Assist Trophy characters like Waluigi become playable? Those posts mean nothing.

Hard disagree. As official confirmations that have held true, they should be expected to hold true unless they are officially stated to be false.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Yeah I do remember this one. But like you said there is no reason to assume this means anything beyond base game since that’s what he was talking about at the time. And like I said that makes sense. There wouldn’t be any reason to spend time developing a character as an AT and as playable at the same time. But if one was developed as an AT for base because other characters took precedence for whatever reason, there’s no reason this couldnt be revisited if things change down the road. In fact I expect it would make things easier if anything. And like I said clearly the AT characters were already deemed important enough to include once.

I'm iffy on how much AT resources would be reused in the inevitable a promotion. Dark Samus and Isabelle got brand-new models from scratch, Min Min seems to not use Spring Man's attack animations, and Dark Samus became a clone. Basically, try to expect an equal amount of resources even if it's some lame cringy Nintendo character that's totally gonna arbitrarily be hated more than Byleth for not being (redacted so we don't talk about them again).

Hard disagree. As official confirmations that have held true, they should be expected to hold true unless they are officially stated to be false.

Should Ridley fans have completely given up on him then, since Sakurai himself said he was too big?

 

[SirCamp]

I'm iffy on how much AT resources would be reused in the inevitable a promotion. Dark Samus and Isabelle got brand-new models from scratch, Min Min seems to not use Spring Man's attack animations, and Dark Samus became a clone. Basically, try to expect an equal amount of resources even if it's some lame cringy Nintendo character that's totally gonna arbitrarily be hated more than Byleth for not being (redacted so we don't talk about them again).

I wasn’t so much referring to reusing resources as I was referring to licensing negotiations. For a character like Bomberman this has already happened. And while it would need to be revisited for a new use case, I suspect much of that leg work was already done. And if nothing else they know that the company is interested in negotiating (presumably at a reasonable rate) with the IP.

 

[N3ON]

Everyone, I made an essay.

Here is why Geno has a great shot for Smash Bros:

Spoiler

A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.

Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?

Two things result from this fact:

I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a power.

II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Communism with a manifesto of the party itself.

To this end, Communists of various nationalities have assembled in London and sketched the following manifesto, to be published in the English, French, German, Italian, Flemish and Danish languages.

I hope you enjoy my essay!

Just be satisfied that you're already a boss, Marx.

It's stated during two different announcements concerning Waluigi's Assist Trophies status: one on the Super Smash Bros. DOJO!, and the other as one of the Pics of the Day.

Like I said, unless they do something to contradict this, Assist Trophies are pretty much 100% off the table.

They did do this, since these statements were made they added an extra stage of development post-release when things that were decided in base can be re-evaluated and built upon.

Try finding something contemporary to the current paradigm, because in 2020 this evidence is circumstantial at best, despite your personal beliefs.

I just think Bomberman was made an AT cause it was hard to translate his repertoire to a playable Smash moveset. Same with Yuri Kozukata

It really wouldn't be that tough. There are dozens of Bomberman fan movesets out there, and this is the guy that's culled something together for the DHD and ROB and WFT. People shouldn't still be underestimating Sakurai's ability to create movesets.

I just think Bomberman was outclassed in one way or another by Castlevania when Sakurai was decided who to add, and opted against "saving" him for a potential DLC wave that probably wasn't even part of the plan at that point.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm iffy on how much AT resources would be reused in the inevitable a promotion.

Likely none at all. Well...actually you could easily use the voice clips and perhaps any particle effects specific to them, but the models and attacks would likely have to be redone from scratch since you can't just upscale things, and there's no guarantee their current abilities would fit into a fully designed moveset.


...eh, I suppose if could depend on the character. Midna, for example, could use her current attack as a regular throw (assuming she's not placed onto the back of Wolf Link), and her teleport and poses would probably be fine, but even then though you'd likely have to spend some time touching up the animations here and there.

They did do this, since these statements were made they added an extra stage of development post-release when things that were decided in base can be re-evaluated and built upon.

You mean they made a contradiction? Because they really didn't.

 

[Guynamednelson]

voice clips

They'll need at least ten times more voice clips and it's not guaranteed they can even get the original VA back, unless it's Charles Martinet. However, if said clips are recycled from their original game, then get some more from it.

 

[7NATOR]

For Assist Promotions, I doubt the Assist Models being used just because they don't have as many polygons. they actually are better off using Mii costumes as a base

However, The advantage of an Assist is that the Team is Familiar with how to model and animate them. so I think they have a advantage in that front.

 

[Deleted member]

Just be satisfied that you're already a boss, Marx.

True. Have you seen Marx's true form, though?

 

[Shroob]

I'm honestly kinda at my wits end trying to figure this out.


I admit that

But there's gotta be a method people use to check when a page has, and had, been updated that's not just the WBM, right?



Mostly, I just want to be able to put the notion of the Directory being updated in the bin of either hard evidence, or circumstantial evidence, because my own belief is that there are probably a lot of false positives mixed in, but I have no current way of proving that.

 

[Perkilator]

Imagine if we actually do get another Sega character and it's not any of the ones were talking about lol

I mean...we talked about Skaura for a little bit but then defaulted to the more obvious ones.

 

[N3ON]

You mean they made a contradiction? Because they really didn't.

It renders those statements outdated. Where Smash stopped was different then, so saying that the role a character had in base was conclusive and absolute was true at that time, and now it's not, because now the game doesn't end when it launches.

This is like trying to govern online activity based on the capabilities it had in the 80s. The rules are different now, and holding on to an antiquated paradigm is proof of nothing but where the limitations used to be. It's not compelling evidence, and that's why no one is swayed by it.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

They'll need at least ten times more voice clips and it's not guaranteed they can even get the original VA back, unless it's Charles Martinet. However, if said clips are recycled from their original game, then get some more from it.

Well when I said that they could be reused, I wasn't trying to imply there was a sufficient amount of them. lol

Honestly, whether or not asset reuse is possible isn't really an issue since most of the characters are made from scratch anyway, and that includes voice acting if necessary.