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Newbie 13: Organization XIII Mafia ~Town Wins!~

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Yet you want me to claim third.

And if you had read down below where I said it was terrible you would have seen my response as to why it was terrible targeting each of his points.
Order of claims doesn't matter too much, imo. Really though, your claim slot is interchangable with Sang.

And you do realize that I said that your response was mediocre, right? I found your reasoning past "it's terrible" to be mediocre and easily countered.
 

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Thank you Red Ryu|BPC|J for replacing in|replacing out|finding a replacement quickly!!

A summary of this whole thread?
D:
Shadow Moth was inactive, I replaced into his slot.
Pheonix was inactive, Seikend replace into his slot.
Initial major lynch was on Werekill. Werekill was put at L-1 and he claimed Vanilla Townie. Had a good reaction and initial lynch was reconsidered. Policy lynch was enacted on Pheonix who only had five posts throughout the course of the day. Pheonix was put at L-1, but he was replaced by Seikend before any hammering occurred. Then the wagon changed again back to Werekill, however most of the newbies disagreed with this decision and decided to lynch Panta who they found scummy and he was lynched D1. Night kill N1 was on Gargaglione. D2 begins.
 

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4.) Seikend ()
6.) Red Ryu (1) Kuz
7.) Werekill ()
8.) Zen ()
9.) th3kuzinator (1) Werekill
Not voting - Acrostic, SW, Seikend, Red Ryu, Zen,

With 7 playing, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline is August 3rd at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).
 

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Order of claims doesn't matter too much, imo. Really though, your claim slot is interchangable with Sang.

And you do realize that I said that your response was mediocre, right? I found your reasoning past "it's terrible" to be mediocre and easily countered.
Instead of just saying it's mediocre, why don't you give reasoning as to why it's mediocre.

My vote stays on Kuz. :troll:

RR we're mass claiming. After you read up please give us your claim order.
 

#HBC | Acrostic

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People that have claimed:
Seikend - Axel|Vanilla Townie
Werekill - Roxas|Vanilla Townie
th3kuzinator -

People that have yet to claim:
Red Ryu:
SangfroidWarrior:
Acrostic:
Zen:

People that have died:
Panta - Xaldin|Vanilla Townie
Gargaglione - Demyx|Vanilla Townie
 

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Why are we mass claiming first off.
It it possible that the two remaining mafia may claim one of the four PRs (only two are in the game) among of which are: cop, doctor, deputy, nurse. As there is no way to confirm which two PRs are actually in this game, it is possible that mafia may be able to claim one of the PRs in order to avoid a lynch. Without mass claiming there is no way of confirming whether the claim is real. Therefore the lynch may directed on someone else or town will try to mass claim at the last minute resulting in a rushed lynch. Therefore it is better to do it ahead of time in order to consider possible claims and to optimize the use of the ml when we have sufficient time.
 

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I said that it was easily countered, and Zen already responded to the post in question. Try harder, please.

By the way, how's your reply to Zen coming along? I figured that I would have seen it by now.
Sorry my time schedule doesn't run alongside your expectations.

Next time I just won't eat dinner and respond to a mafia game instead.
 

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Well Ok I can see how this is good for town considering the OP, I'll do an order Werekill or Kuzi makes until I fully read everything.
 

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Sorry my time schedule doesn't run alongside your expectations.

Next time I just won't eat dinner and respond to a mafia game instead.
You've had 3ish hours to respond, and usually you respond much more quickly. I just found it strange, that's all.

Also, you've been posting a decent amount since then, which doesn't help.

@RR: Eh? Why me? o_0
 

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You've had 3ish hours to respond, and usually you respond much more quickly. I just found it strange, that's all.

Also, you've been posting a decent amount since then, which doesn't help.

@RR: Eh? Why me? o_0
I was helping my parents move things into our new house/then I got home posted some stuff an hour ago and ate dinner up until 20-30 minutes ago.

Not to mention I'm multitasking doing 17 different things on this computer.

Stop trying to time meta me, it just makes you look dumb.
 

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@RR: Fair enough.

And ok, Kuz, I believe you. I just thought that it was strange, and if you had just given me your reasons at the start, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I don't see why you're trying to make me look like an idiot in all of this.
 

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Because it's not just this, people were trying to draw a Seikend/Kuz connection just off the fact that I didn't hammer him when I wasn't even home at the time. Furthermore Acrostic said he didn't even believe my intent back then and I was like whaaaat

I'm really cautious of this type of push because in a previous game I was in, I wasn't able to vote for someone because I was at my friends gogdamn funeral and the person flat out said he didn't believe me and tried to push me for it. What a surprise, he was scum.
 

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Well, both you and Seikend are acting scummy, so it's natural for people to try to draw connections. It's not really that surprising.

And ok, that's fine. Quick question, though: what game was that? I'm honestly curious.

On another note, I don't like the fact that you told me not to base things on what other scum have done, yet you flat out admit to doing it here.
 

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Alright. Back from V/LA. I won't be able to catch up tonight but I will get to it as soon as I wake up tomorrow and, skimming, I noticed a few people had some questions for me so I'll try to answer those as well. Doesn't look like a lot has really happened so it should be easy. Just saying, Acro, requesting a replacement for a moderately active player just because he isn't on for a day or so is completely lame. Next time, ask for a prod, first, and only if they've been inactive for a full, consecutive 48 hours (as per these rules, which could be different from others). After a certain amount of prods, then they will be replaced. That way, it doesn't make you look like an ***.
 

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On another note, I don't like the fact that you told me not to base things on what other scum have done, yet you flat out admit to doing it here.
There are certain tells that I've picked up from other games that hold true a lot of the time. You've literally only been in one game before and have had one experience. Not much consistency can be gleaned from that.

Plus, I'm not even calling you scum for it. It's just something I'm always wary of.
 

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Alright. Back from V/LA. I won't be able to catch up tonight but I will get to it as soon as I wake up tomorrow and, skimming, I noticed a few people had some questions for me so I'll try to answer those as well. Doesn't look like a lot has really happened so it should be easy. Just saying, Acro, requesting a replacement for a moderately active player just because he isn't on for a day or so is completely lame. Next time, ask for a prod, first, and only if they've been inactive for a full, consecutive 48 hours (as per these rules, which could be different from others). After a certain amount of prods, then they will be replaced. That way, it doesn't make you look like an ***.
I did it to get a read out of Zen. It was necessary. I don't care what it makes me look like, I have trouble reading him.
 

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There are certain tells that I've picked up from other games that hold true a lot of the time. You've literally only been in one game before and have had one experience. Not much consistency can be gleaned from that.

Plus, I'm not even calling you scum for it. It's just something I'm always wary of.
Fair enough. I just didn't like it much, that's all.
 

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Kuzi, I've been thinking about the mass claim while reading.

Let's review.

Version 1
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
1 Cop or Nurse
1 Doctor or Deputy
5 Townies

Four possibles here, Cop/Doc, Cop/Dep, Doc/Nurse, Nurse/Dep.

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Version 2
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
1 Cop or Deputy
1 Doctor or Nurse
5 Townies

Four possible here, Cop/Doc, Cop/Nurse, Dep/Doc, Dep/Nurse

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Version 3
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
1 Cop or Doctor
1 Deputy or Nurse
5 Townies

Four possible here, Cop/Dep, Cop/Nurse, Doc/Dep, Doc/Nurse.

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I do not think the set-up has no PRs, aka any set-up with a Dep+Nurse, because they inherit from a dead Cop or Doc. Therefore without one they are useless. So if that is the case a roleblocker is useless. Adding one without any PRs makes no sense.

Any set-up with a nonsensical combination is not possible.

So anything with Cop/Nurse or Doc/Dep isn't here.

So we have Cop/Dep, Doc/Nurse or Cop/Doc.

Scum has a roleblocker, if we out our town PRs they will be roleblocked and useless to us unlike if we kept them hidden and or killed, unless of course the claimee's lied and are PR's, which considering this is a newbie game I doubt they would.

The idea is to catch scum if they claim a PR, Key problem, two people can claim a town PR, what happens if scum both claim VT? Yeah we get two cleared, but couldn't we use this later like tomorrow? Or is the risk of the Doc/Nurse variant in which we gained nothing from them claiming but outing our protective roles, which with a roleblocker are useless to use when they get shot.

Are you fine with this risk Kuzi?
 

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So your mechanics breakdown assumes that there is bias in how roles were determined... This sounds similar to Kooz's mechanics breakdown D1 in which he stated that it is unlikely that both ICs are mafia because that would make the game unfair for Newbies.

To me I'm assuming that the OP is stating exactly what it states assuming "or" is equivalent to giving 2 possibilities per 2 slots there is a total of 4 combinations in each setup which has been posted in
tags and we don't know which setup it is. Therefore if you work it out you will more or less find that the setup implies that any PR combination can exist. Assuming they chose roles objectively.


[a] Unknown Setup:

Setup 1:
Cop|Doctor
Cop|Deputy
Nurse|Doctor
Nurse|Deputy

Setup 2:
Cop|Doctor
Cop|Nurse
Deputy|Doctor
Deputy|Nurse

Setup 3:
Cop|Doctor
Cop|Nurse
Doctor|Deputy
Doctor|Nurse

Total Possible Combinations:
Cop|Doctor
Cop|Nurse
Cop|Deputy
Doc|Nurse
Doc|Deputy
Nurse|Deputy
 

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More or less, basically knowing how the PRs work, some combination I eliminated as possible ones.

Cop|Nurse
Doc|Deputy
Nurse|Deputy

Because these combinations are nonsensical.
 

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More or less, basically knowing how the PRs work, some combination I eliminated as possible ones.

Cop|Nurse
Doc|Deputy
Nurse|Deputy

Because these combinations are nonsensical.
The following is my impression of the setup. The PR itself doesn't require a utility in order for it to be useful. Even if you have a Deputy|Nurse combination, if these two PRs are not cc'd then the people who have these roles will act as clears and it will have a notable affect in gameplay. The same goes if there is a cc among the PRs as this might cause one to reconsider who they thought was a scum team or not. Overall I find that any PR combination will have some use in helping us find scum whether it be direct or indirect. Therefore I do not feel that this setup is obligated to give us useful combinations per se: Cop|Doc, Cop|Deputy, ect. since these are subjective evaluations. You could be right though. o_o
 

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I'm assuming the mod isn't giving town PRs that do nothing other than name sake.

I'll be back later might be able to finish my read before I go to bed.
 

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I'm assuming the mod isn't giving town PRs that do nothing other than name sake. I'll be back later might be able to finish my read before I go to bed.
Don't feel rushed to answer these questions. However an answer would be appreciated when you feel comfortable:
[a] Would you consider BPC scum given the content posted?
Any strong town|scum reads so far?
[c] Anything novel that we may have missed out on?
 

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Don't feel rushed to answer these questions. However an answer would be appreciated when you feel comfortable:
[a] Would you consider BPC scum given the content posted?
Any strong town|scum reads so far?
[c] Anything novel that we may have missed out on?


Ryu can you claim as soon as possible?
Official answer when I am done reading.
 
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