New Technique: Stage Scarring - "Real Creative!"

[Scar]

The first time I ever played Wolf I found out about the sideB cancel thing at the ledge. Weird. Before I found that though I discovered probably the coolest thing about him.

On certain stages, namely Battlefield since it's the only fawken good stage in the game, if you grab the ledge, let go with back and then immediately fB, you go through the stage and appear on it. I call it Scarring. I'm real creative. Call it whatever you want. You scar the stage. You don't even know.

The point is, if someone is standing at the edge roughly Marth's tipper range away from you, waiting to punish your getup option, use this and you sweetspot the fB. Vids to come.

 

[takieddine]

Killed mufasa etc...

 

[abit_rusty]

I did this on the new pokemon stadium stage as well. I thought it was just a fluke

 

[Bocks]

this is seriously badass.. easy to master too, only prob is ppl will eventually be ready for it =( at least itll keep em off our *** a bit on the edge :]

 

[Bocks]

oh and i just realized if yall care.. its an easy way to beat 5 opponents in cruel brawl(to unluck a trophy or something), just hug the edge and repeat this, just incase =)

 

[RepMR]

Frigate Orpheon might be the best stage to practice this on. After it flips, you have a solid body wall to get the timing down without dying if you're off by a bit.

I'm going through the stages seeing what else I can find, this was a good find.

Edit: It seems like this works on any stage where there's not a sharp curve/overhang before the edge (for instance, the edge in FD keep this from working there, you'll always be trapped).

Also, forget Frigate Orpheon, Yoshi's Story is a much better place to practice this.

 

[Bocks]

wow, i've been using this technique all day prior to reading this now, its EXTREMLY useful vs all characters, mix it up with ledge hops keeps them on their toes, can't even describe how well this technique works

 

[Rat]

dammit scar,
I was using this but wasn't going to say anything. And yes it's awesome.

Here are the stages I've been able to do it on.

Battlefield
Yoshi's Island
Smashville
Bridge of Eldin
Norfair
Frigate Orpheon
Poke stadium 2
Distant Planet
Spear Pillar
The Great Sea (only the right side)
WarioWare
Green Hill Zone
Rainbow Cruise (right side only) *might be wrong


Here is another trick if you haven't found it out. Less useful and harder timing but if you sideB just above the height were wolf would regrab the edge (but below the height were you Scar the stage) you immediately stand up at the edge of the stage. Just a tricky way to do a fake ledgehop. Fake SideB to grab? Yes please.

 

[Scar]

I'm too good. Not even playing.

 

[The Enemy]

Stage Scarring, huh? I'm usually against people naming techs after themselves, but I gotta admit, that sounds pretty **** nice.

 

[everlasting yayuhzz]

dammit scar,
I was using this but wasn't going to say anything. And yes it's awesome.

Here are the stages I've been able to do it on.

Battlefield
Yoshi's Island
Smashville
Bridge of Eldin
Norfair
Frigate Orpheon
Poke stadium 2
Distant Planet
Spear Pillar
The Great Sea (only the right side)
WarioWare
Green Hill Zone
Rainbow Cruise (right side only) *might be wrong


Here is another trick if you haven't found it out. Less useful and harder timing but if you sideB just above the height were wolf would regrab the edge (but below the height were you Scar the stage) you immediately stand up at the edge of the stage. Just a tricky way to do a fake ledgehop. Fake SideB to grab? Yes please.

There's a different way to fakeout the ledgehop. Look at my thread.

 

[Twek]

hah i just did that like five minutes ago on accident

 

[BlackTulip]

Also like Fox's Illusion you can make it a short allusion (with Wolf) and just slide across the stage

 

[solesoul]

Not only does it look too cool, but the name is B.A.
BTW Scar, my online tag is Simba, so I'll have to kill you, etc.

 

[Scar]

BTW Scar, my online tag is Simba, so I'll have to kill you, etc.

...goddammit.

 

[Flamestar666]

I been using tthis for about 5 days >.> though most of the time, i pop under the stage

 

[Mama]

Dunno if it needs a name but is pretty useful. Especially doing it around people who don't know what it is yet.

 

[AlexDL]

On the subject

While I was messing around in Practice with this technique, I found something kind of useful. If you press down while holding onto a ledge then right after press jump you can do any of your airs to someone standing near edge. Thought it was a kind of neat way to keep your opponent on his toes.

 

[Scar]

Good stuff Alex. This is a very important find, but someone found it a long time ago, way back in smash 64. It's called ledgehopping, and it's very useful. In SSB: Melee, it was the preferred way to get up from the ledge.

 

[AlexDL]

xD

Ahh alright, I just started to think about competitively playing Smash Bros, so that's why I didn't know but. At least it was a good idea . As of now just trying to get controlling Wolf (and SSBB) down so I can use a lot of the tactics/combos I've been reading up on.

 

[Corin]

Here is another trick if you haven't found it out. Less useful and harder timing but if you sideB just above the height were wolf would regrab the edge (but below the height were you Scar the stage) you immediately stand up at the edge of the stage. Just a tricky way to do a fake ledgehop. Fake SideB to grab? Yes please.

Ha, I did that by accident once, and my friend and I just stopped for like five seconds like "...what just happened?"

I'm definitely gonna practice this stuff, very useful. I guess you could also fake them out by dropping and jumping back up to the ledge. Essentially, you can just bide your time and fake them out with all the different ways to get back onto the stage. And I do mean more-so than other characters.

 

[Thunderbolt]

Good stuff Alex. This is a very important find, but someone found it a long time ago, way back in smash 64. It's called ledgehopping, and it's very useful. In SSB: Melee, it was the preferred way to get up from the ledge.

Ahahahaha.

That's hilarious because under your name it says your surrounded by idiots.

 

[Bocks]

ya.. i remember when i thought i discovered ledge hopping =) dude scarring kicks serious ***, best wolf technique by far, during a tourney the other night no one had seen it yet, caught a bunch of people off guard badly

 

[Deforty]

alright, I'm all for scarring good name and great move. Now all i have to do is learn to do it perfectly.
*Puts technique in wolf arsenal*

 

[Scar]

ya.. i remember when i thought i discovered ledge hopping =) dude scarring kicks serious ***, best wolf technique by far, during a tourney the other night no one had seen it yet, caught a bunch of people off guard badly

lol Tell me the illusion sweetspotted too? It freezes the screen and all. What a badass technique. I'm so glad I'm awesome.

 

[Deleted member]

This technique is so awesome ... I think people have started to figure it out mostly by accident, then playing with it to get it right...

IMO, it's easier to get the 5 KOs in Cruel Melee with Pit, flying away from the ledge with 1 jump and getting back with 2... but I've done it with both, so...

Also, with this technique, you can do amazing things... similar to the ledge cancel to jump to aerial when your opponent doesn't expect it

And Scar is amazing

 

[Vegeta214]

lol you sound like g-reg. Anyway, great news scar. Its obvious now what's causing Wolf to stand one the edge of the stage instead of grabbing the ledge. (Where he pops up without even doing the illusion) Its this exact technique with different timing: Drop from the ledge, wait a little longer than you would if you were doing the scar thing, side-b and there you have it.

EDIT: The Illusion is now officially one of Wolf's best moves. And definitely the most versatile. Recovery, kill move if sweetspotted, cancellable for mindgames and now this. ****.

EDIT 2: I just noticed something else while practising this on Yoshi's Island. You guys know the little incline on the sides of the level? Stand on there and do a side-b towards the centre of the stage. You'll do a Fox/Falco Illusion and be able to sweetspot people who are standing on the ground. Can also be done on Delfino Plaza on the sandy part. Situational yes, but useful at times. Its the little things.

 

[ScottSadistic]

ha...i just posted something about this.
i thought it was just pokemon stadium tho

 

[Vegeta214]

Found another useful trick. On Delfino Plaza, if you fall in the water for whatever reason and you're close to the stage, just hit jump once and immediately side-b and you get to the stage ever so much quicker. Dont do it on the flying platform though

 

[Whitefire]

Great discovery scar! It's an awesome way to recover safely with wolf, I used to just leave the ledge, jump above the stage, and up+b into the character. But that took to much time, this is working much better.

I'm also gonna roll with the name, Scarring sounds a lot better than anything I can think of, good work making a recovery discovery(lol)! Most tactic discoveries at this point are offensive.

 

[Scar]

lol you sound like g-reg.

haha. It's an EC Falcon thing.

 

[Corin]

I love this technique, but honestly I can only do it with the whole "B-stick" thing. My left hand fingers just don't move fast-enough otherwise, and I get stuck under the stage (I accidentally suicided in 100 man melee trying it, with 7 opponants left at just over 3 minutes. ugh)

So I'm curious if anyone would find it easier to use the control adjusted B-stick as opposed to doing it manually, or if that would sacrifice too much (like a DI'd Wolf Wall combination) for you to find it useful. I don't like to use the C-stick, honestly, so I have no qualms about allocating Wolf's special to it, since I'd be using it far less, and in my opinion, far more effectively.

Also I'm not sure if I commented on it, but 'stage scarring' is a pretty awesome name for this tech.

 

[fireb0rn]

this is such an awesome find

 

[AlexDL]

To Corin, if your pressing down when dropping off the ledge it's really hard to do, I know that's what I was getting wrong. I reread the topic thing and it said to press back that made it ton easier. Maybe you're making my mistake?

 

[Kryptic]

Hey i think ive seen this somewhere , is it something like Hax Dashing? Also this vid shows tele stepping and light stepping if that was included.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMYdJXeytVo

 

[Bocks]

scarring > hax dashing name wise =]

 

[Kryptic]

K so its the same Shiz just different names

 

[Rat]

No there is only stage Scarring.

 

[Rat]

bleh double post. I lose......=(

 

[Deleted member]

My friend and I have done this a few times too, and it kinda relates... if you do the Forward B into some place in the ledge, you do what looks like a waveland... I don't know how we did it, and we couldn't find a viable answer, but this really interested me...