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I think they should make Ridley the tallest playable fighter
He should definitely be the widest, including his wingspan; maybe the tallest.

Haha, right? :awesome:

Anyway, Mewtwo's weight shouldn't have to relate to it's games at all, just like Thino said, heck it shouldn't matter since Olimar is big and if Ridley is shrunk well.....

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Ridley's size is inconsistent. He's been up to probably 20 feet tall, and as small as about 8 feet tall. 8 feet tall for a giant dragon really isn't that big. On top of that, he's uber skinny, which would make him light unless he had extremely heavy armor (I assume his armor is light to keep him speedy and safe).

Mewtwo's weight should make him a heavyweight. Lucario can weigh more for balancing, sure, but Mewtwo should be about as heavy as Samus, and have many of the same size and speed capabilities of Samus.
 

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Oasis show us that Ridley comparison diagram.
Incidentally, I have a "new" one.



I was curious how my design would look if it was proportional to his original NES size (It is larger than my original design). That size is often brought up in "counter arguments" even though there's not much to argue. Looks fine.

I'LL FIX THE WINGS EVENTUALLY HUSH.


@Johnknight: I think the tallest he's been, from what I've been able to measure, has been 22 feet (in Prime). The smallest was 13 (In Super Metroid I think). This assumes Samus is 75 inches tall.

I have an obsession with finding exact heights.
 

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Incidentally, I have a "new" one.



I was curious how my design would look if it was proportional to his original NES size (It is larger than my original design). That size is often brought up in "counter arguments" even though there's not much to argue. Looks fine.

I'LL FIX THE WINGS EVENTUALLY HUSH.
How tall is Bowser compared to Ganondorf? That is good enough for tallest fighter to me
 

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Incidentally, I have a "new" one.



I was curious how my design would look if it was proportional to his original NES size (It is larger than my original design). That size is often brought up in "counter arguments" even though there's not much to argue. Looks fine.

I'LL FIX THE WINGS EVENTUALLY HUSH.


@Johnknight: I think the tallest he's been, from what I've been able to measure, has been 22 feet (in Prime). The smallest was 13 (In Super Metroid I think). This assumes Samus is 75 inches tall.

I have an obsession with finding exact heights.
Fix those wings dangnammit, I'd give him his Meta-Ridley or Omega look, just to make his wings bigger.

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Doesn't he have small wings in the Melee opening? So, small wings it is then.
 

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@Johnknight: I think the tallest he's been, from what I've been able to measure, has been 22 feet (in Prime). The smallest was 13 (In Super Metroid I think). This assumes Samus is 75 inches tall.

I have an obsession with finding exact heights.
Yeah he looked about 22 feet in Prime 1. In Super Metroid and Metroid he was very tiny.

The whole size issue thing is weird. I don't get why people bring it up. They could argue his wings are too wide, he doesn't have much known personality, he doesn't talk, etc, which are all better arguments. But his height... man, all they need to do is play Metroid or super Metroid. Heck, even in Brawl he was the smallest boss after Taboo.
 

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I can see his wings growing during his jumps/ up B special
 

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I don't support Meta-Ridley or Omega Ridley for Sm4sh. >:I
Haha, seems that they are equally as tall, that spike really doesn't count.

Also, Ridley is Ridley right, why so picky over the way be looks? Just be happy that he'll be in Smash 4, if it happens.

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Doesn't he have small wings in the Melee opening? So, small wings it is then.
Not really, but he has tiny wings and a short (but extendable) tail in all of his 2D appearances. So seeing him like that really wouldn't be out of the ordinary at all.

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I can see his wings growing during his jumps/ up B special
You do see that with Pit, actually. To a lesser extent Meta Knight and Charizard as well. It would probably be slightly more noticable with Ridley.
 
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Psycho, check this out. It was made by Oasis:
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Attributes – Ridley is a large character, nearly the size of Bowser. However, his scrawny frame, useful for flying, keeps him from being as heavy. In fact, I’d say he could be as light as Wolf (the 14th heaviest character in Brawl) but no heavier than R.O.B. (10th heaviest character). His ground speed would be pretty good (Charizard (7th fastest) to Donkey Kong (9th) range). His aerial maneuverability in general would be among the top, probably similar to Yoshi. He can also jump five times. He can glide, but not wall cling, wall jump, or crawl.

Playstyle concept – I see Ridley as awkward on the ground, but amazing in the air. Jigglypuff’s king, if you will. His ground game in general would be damaging, and focus on sending opponents upward, but hard or risky to connect most of the time. In the air though, all of his moves are useful and quick, as well as being capable of comboing. Ridley’s aerial potential is why I say he should not be a heavyweight, as that may make him broken.

Entrance – A pair of glowing eyes appear out of nowhere. Ridley gives out loud roar as the rest of his body fades into visibility.

A – Quickly swipes with left hand claws. Fixed knockback. 4%-2%
AA – Follows up with right hand claws. Fixed knockback. 3%
AAA – Follows up with a quick bite. All together relatively good damage. 5%
Dash – Ridley spins above the ground (think Falco’s F-air) to lightly knock opponents upward. 10%-7%

F-tilt – Extends neck to bite. Awkward to connect due to the length of his neck. Could very well miss an opponent that is too close. Good damage and horizontal knockback to compensate. 12%-9%
U-tilt – Quickly puts his head down and lifts it upward over his body in an arcing motion. Flips opponents up into the air with fixed knockback. Naturally combos into U-smash. Does not hit behind him. 11%-8%
D-tilt – Sweeps the ground in front of him with his tail. One of his faster ground attacks and can trip opponents. 9%-5%

F-smash – Winds up his tail while charging, then stabs straight forward. Sweetspot at the tip which can KO. Awkward to connect like his F-tilt. Good damage and a bit of ending lag. 17-15%
U-smash – Breathes a single large burst of fire upward. Combos with U-tilt. Good damage and knockback. Does not hit to either side of him. 16%-14%
D-smash – Lowers himself and spins around once. While spinning he extends his tail outward and breathes fire. The fire does not have much knockback, but may be followed up by the tail at lower percentages. The tail is mainly what you want to hit with. It sends opponents up into the air. His slowest ground attack. This move recalls an attack from Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Tail: 9%, Fire: 6%

N-air – Spins his tail around his body (clockwise when facing to the left). Think Meta Knight, Wolf, etc. Tip knocks opponents outward, while non-tip hits knock opponents at the angle they were hit. Combo potential. Mostly just gets opponents off you. Sweetspot: 13%, Sourspot: 7%
F-air – Stabs tail forward quickly. Already a good KO move, but a sweetspotted tip makes it even more so. Tipper: 18%, Non-Tipper: 12%
B-air – Twirls his tail closely behind his body for multiple (six) hits. Similar to Yoshi’s. 2% every hit, finishing hit is 5%
D-air – Stabs his tail downward. Tip sweetspots with a meteor smash. If not sweetspotted, it causes a pogo effect similar to Link’s. Sweetspot: 14%, Sourspot: 8%
U-air – Attacks with wing spikes. Slight upward knockback. Can probably hit with it a few times if you’re moving upward, like with Meta-Knight’s. 5%

Glide attack – A strong bite. As strong as Charizard’s. 12%

Pummel – While holding opponent by their head, he breathes fire on them. Relatively slow yet damaging among pummel attacks. 4%
F-throw – While holding opponent by their head, he quickly stabs them with his tail about five times, then with a sends them flying with a stronger sixth stab. Very damaging. 2% each stab, 4% last stab
U-throw – Grabs opponents with his talons and carries them into the air while swatting them twice with his tail. He quickly descends, slamming them into the ground with all his weight. Most damaging throw due to the high vulnerability. Opponents are sent upward after being slammed. 4% each swipe, 7% on slam
D-throw – Grabs opponents in his mouth, raises them upward and brutally slams them into the ground. Very damaging. 12%
B-throw – Stabs tail into opponent while they are in his grasp. He then flings his opponent, now impaled on his tail, behind him. 8%

Special – (Fireball) – When tapping the special button, Ridley releases a spray of four fireballs. They travel a relatively short distance for a projectile, and are essentially a wall of hitboxes. They do not do much knockback or damage. When holding special, Ridley releases a single large fireball. This fireball travels a longer distance, and causes more knockback and damage. When done in the air, the large fireball travels in a downward diagonal direction. If it were to hit the ground, a small damaging shockwave comes from the impact. His special can actually be used while gliding to fire up to four shots that “bomb” the stage. These do little damage and knockback. 2% each fireball, 5% on large one, 2% on shockwave
Side Special – (Command Grab) – Ridley flies forward a distance longer than Ganondorf’s side special, but with slightly longer startup. Ridley can only do this once in the air, but he will not be put into a helpless state. If the grab connects Ridley will essentially act as though he has a second normal grab. He can pummel opponents with his tail, and opponents can also break out of the grab. On the ground, “throwing” forward or back causes Ridley to drag the opponent across the ground for a set distance, racking up damage. At the end of the animation (he cannot fall off ledges during this) he will simply toss the opponent upward. You can also simply throw the opponent upward to begin with as a sort of “U-throw” option. Unlike Bowser and Ganondorf, Ridley has wings and does not have to plummet to the ground when connecting his command grab in the air. Again, while in the air it is essentially a second grab. There are no “F-throw” and “B-throw” options in the air, but you can “U-throw” opponents upward. You can also dive-bomb while holding the opponent as a “D-throw.” This will result in a suicide if done off the stage. Same percents as normal throws.
Down Special – (Reflector) – Holding down special charges up a reflector. While charging, you are vulnerable to any attack. Once the charge is complete, you can move around freely as though you have a Franklin Badge. Ridley’s skin darkens while you have these properties, accompanied by particle effects. All together, the charge time and effect time lasts about 3.5 to 4 seconds.
Up Special – (Fly/Unfly) – This move is similar to R.O.B. and Pit’s Up Specials. It works with Ridley’s five jumps. If you were to use Fly (and Unfly) five times, Ridley could no longer jump, and vice versa if you were to jump five times, you would not be able to use Fly. Pressing down while using Fly causes Ridley to Unfly. You are not put into a helpless state. You can attack with aerials normally while Flying, as well as after Unflying. Like R.O.B.’s “fuel,” you can only Fly for a certain amount of time – 3.5 seconds.

Final Smash – Meta-Ridley Transfo—F*CK THAT. SPACE PIRATE RAID, B*TCHES: The camera zooms in on Ridley as he roars to summon two Space Pirate ships. The Space Pirates hop out to attack Ridley’s opponents. Think of them as enemies from Melee’s adventure mode. They have limited methods of attack, and can be attacked and killed themselves. The problem for your opponents is that there would be so many of them to deal with. The amount would depend on the amount of players, and Ridley’s damage. There would also be different kinds of Space Pirates that hop out. Grey pirates are the simplest to kill, with only a small amount of health. Green pirates have more health, Red have even more, and Gold pirates have the most. They all attack by shooting beams (which can be fired horizontally or diagonally upward) and jumping. Gold pirates can do a jump kick which has a lot of knockback. They disappear after a set amount of time.[/collapse]
 

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Doesn't he have small wings in the Melee opening? So, small wings it is then.
Well as long as he turns out like the Melee intro then that would be fine, I just had a problem with the way Oasis's Ridley looks because it clearly isn't like the one from the Melee intro.

@berserker: sorry bro, I didn't mean to. :(

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Not really, but he has tiny wings and a short (but extendable) tail in all of his 2D appearances. So seeing him like that really wouldn't be out of the ordinary at all.
You're right. Well, I want this. It's the best interp of Ridley I've seen so far.



I like my Ridley anorexic.
 

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Well as long as he turns out like the Melee intro then that would be fine, I just had a problem with the way Oasis's Ridley looks because it clearly isn't like the one from the Melee intro.
How is it different? :/

I didn't do much DETAIL, but it's the same general RIDLEY SHAPE from the opening and Brawl.
 

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He's friggin tiny in that version

Ridley is too small for smash
 

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@ Shortie
Seriously, he's no taller than Ganondorf in that picture. Smash Bros. could totally make him that size. His size has changed more often than Lindsey Lohan changes trash cans to live in. :grin: :laugh: :chuckle: :151:

@ Psycho
Agreed. Ridley is way too small to ever be in a SUPPER SERIOUS smash bros. game!!!
 
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Well as long as he turns out like the Melee intro then that would be fine, I just had a problem with the way Oasis's Ridley looks because it clearly isn't like the one from the Melee intro.

@berserker: sorry bro, I didn't mean to. :(

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It's alright

Sakurai can do anything to Ridley. He can put him in the game and make him as big as Final Destination or make him smaller than Olimar if he wants to.
 

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Only reason I'm back is because I saw Chris' blog post. It's a little too early to say hey, but I will anyways. :)
 

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It's alright

Sakurai can do anything to Ridley. He can put him in the game and make him as big as Final Destination or make him smaller than Olimar if he wants to.
As small as Olimar? That would be madness man, yeah I know Sakurai can resize and all but that would be taking far. <_<

unless it's a baby Ridley of course.

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But you are still lurking no? :p

So, does this mean you're gonna check out the thread from time to time? I hope so.

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Ehh maybe here and there. I actually came here looking for Masked Man stuff. I've thought of some ingenious ideas with him and wanted to see what others have come up with.

Oh hey Star.

So you think Chris is good now?
I don't know. Something inside of me feels compassion towards him. So I decided to respond to him.
 

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Oh my goodness tell me more.
Basically all of the ideas I've had for Zero in Brawl can be incorporated into his (Masked Man) moveset. As he has a energy saber and arm buster, with the addition of PSI. I've been brainstorming a moveset that makes me want him badly.
 

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His main attack should be electric based. He does hate the franklin badge after all
 

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It's alright

Sakurai can do anything to Ridley. He can put him in the game and make him as big as Final Destination or make him smaller than Olimar if he wants to.
Geez, it's not like Sakurai does crazy things like make Ganondorf a Captain Falcon clone or anything... >.>

Seriously, imagine what our reaction would be if we found out Ridley was like a Charizard clone! :laugh:

And the Masked Man should be a Lucas alternate outfit and a boss.
 
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