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To heck with all of these Final Fantasy characters. If I want a Square Enix character, I want Geno. (or to a lesser extent, Mallow!)

dun-nun-nun-nah-nut-nah nut-nut-nah dah-na-na-nah-nuh-nuh-nut-nut-nuh....

Man that song is catchy! Geno still seems like a long shot (because Nintendo needs to approach Square Enix), but dang it! Geno needs to happen to bring Smash Bros. to the next level of awesomeness! :grin:

Smash Bros. needs Geno like the 49ers needs a quarterback!
and a O-Line
:laugh: Heck, maybe Geno could do both! :laugh:
 

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Ridley and Geno would never fight. They've been through so much. Back in the Brawl days, I would say they were both the most wanted Nintendo characters. Ridley with everything going for him, and Geno with very little. AND YET, neither made the cut.

They're like brothers.
 

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...Come to think of it I'm not sure why I put Slime & Chocobo on my roster, yet didn't add Geno.
Hmm...? Puzzling indeed, but nah I believe Slime has a better chance due to popularity, remember the japenese suggested. The "generic" hero from Dragon Quest as an option.

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Ridley and Geno would never fight. They've been through so much. Back in the Brawl days, I would say they were both the most wanted Nintendo characters. Ridley with everything going for him, and Geno with very little. AND YET, neither made the cut.

They're like brothers.
Yeah, pretty much this.

Opposite ends of the spectrum, fighting for the same goal. Not against eachother, but still in a competitive environment

Both to fail miserably
 

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Ridley and Geno would never fight. They've been through so much. Back in the Brawl days, I would say they were both the most wanted Nintendo characters. Ridley with everything going for him, and Geno with very little. AND YET, neither made the cut.

They're like brothers.
Seriously. Ridley was a shoe-in in many peoples' view including mine (he was my only "shoe-in" that didn't make it), and Geno had little momentum, albeit both had huge fanbases amongst dedicated Nintendo gamers.

Both were not just the most wanted characters that didn't make it on that Japanese Sakurai poll thingy data, but they both had huge threads on Smashboards, and are wanted for SSB4 all around the globe, despite the fact Geno was a main character in one game (Super Mario RPG) and a cameo in the 1st Mario & Luigi RPG Game (which is some progress).

And if they did fight, Geno would win, but Ridley would do some serious damage, and Ridley would survive, get revived, learn some new moves, develop some new technology, become bigger, become faster, become smarter, become stronger, and as we all known, this is because Ridley doesn't die. Even when he's dead, he's not really dead. He's just lurking... or waiting... or both! o.O
 

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I can say that I was around for the pre-Melee release days. The hype for Melee was great but nowhere near that of Brawl. There actually did exist a lot of support for Ridley to be playable during the pre-Melee release days, primarily due to his appearance in the 2001 E3 trailer (which became Melee's opening) and the incoming resurrection of the Metroid series. Wolf and Samurai Goroh also benefited from this trailer.

Generally, after the trailer's unveil the most popularly requested newcomers for Melee were Ganondorf, Wario, Diddy Kong, and King Dedede.

Generally here were the most popular requests by series:

Mario:
Wario (he was not really considered as being in his own series at this time even though he should have)
Toad (up until him being de-confirmed as one of Peach's neutral specials)

Donkey Kong:
Diddy Kong
Donkey Kong Junior (there was a sizable debate before Rare was bought by Microsoft, as to whether Rare owned the characters that were created by them. Since, some believed Rare's DK characters to be off-limits for Smash Bros., DKJR was the next choice after Diddy)

The Legend of Zelda:
Ganondorf (by far the most requested newcomer for Melee after the E32001 trailer)
Skull Kid (there was a quite a few who suggested him, however, they were drowned out by the sheer number of Ganondorf requests)
Zelda (I don't remember there being much requests for Zelda, and I don't remember there being a debate about whether or not she could be included. I think many overlooked her since Sheik was already in).

Metroid:
Ridley (people thought he had decent shot of him getting in due to his prominent place in the Melee trailer and due to perhaps helping promote the upcoming resurrection of the Metroid series)

Kirby:
King Dedede
Meta Knight (less requested than Dedede, and seen as much less important. Meta Knight did not have his important in Kirby rebound until the release of Nightmare in Dreamland for the GBA)

Star Fox:
Falco (there were more Falco fans, but the Wolf fans were louder due to the trailer)
Wolf (the Wolf fans thought Wolf would be in due to his appearance in the trailer)

Pokemon:
Mewtwo (seen as the de-facto legendary to place in)
Meowth (largely seen as Pikachu's rival, and that he should have been Pokemon's second playable character over Jigglypuff)
Heracross (the most popular choice for a second-generation Pokemon)

F-Zero:
Samurai Goroh (believed to have a shot due to his rival status with Falcon, and his appearance in the Melee trailer).

Retro:
Pit (definitely the most popular choice for a retro character then)
Balloon Fighter (most of the people choosing him came about as the result of a rumor from started by some moderator at Camp Hyrule that he was a playable character)

Generally, many people were only expecting 19 playable characters. There actually WAS a theory that Melee's development team was playing mindgames with the fanbase with showing only five hidden character boxes.

For those who believed there to be only five hidden characters these were the ones they selected:
1. Luigi (accidentally confirmed by Miyamoto or some over sort of Nintendo developer during an interview)
2. Ganondorf (seen as a shoe-in due to him being by far the most requested character, and was somehow confirmed by IGN during August or September of 2001).
3. Jigglypuff or a Pokemon newcomer (there was an intensive debate about whether Jigglypuff was going to be cut)
4. Wario, Diddy Kong, King Dedede, a Pokemon newcomer, or another retro character
5. Wario, Diddy Kong, King Dedede, a Pokemon newcomer, or another retro character.

When the Melee roster was first leaked, people got extremely angry. The roster seemed as though Sakurai was purposely trolling the Smash fanbase (Pichu, Young Link, Dr. Mario, two unknown Japanese sword guys, Captain Ganondorf, WTF retro guy). The only popular choices of the Western Smash Bros. fanbase that were chosen/accepted initially were Zelda (who interestingly was not shown until very close to Melee's release), Ganondorf (but was ruinned by the fact he was a Falcon clone), Mewtwo, and Falco. The hidden character choices were generally seen as a travesty, and people were still bitter about them even close to Brawl's release.

Personally, I was initially upset about some of the choices, though I actually was really pleasantly surprised about Mr. Game & Watch, since I was a big fan of the Game & Watch Gallery series at the time, and I was happy to see those games represented within Smash Bros. Over time, I warmed up to practically all the characters.

The reaction to Brawl's roster unveil would not have been as bad if the hype was not through the roof. Only ROB was not a popularly requested newcomer for Brawl. I also think it would have been mitigated if some of the big guns like King Dedede or Olimar were kept hidden.

Overall, the pre-Melee era was very interesting, and I am glad I was speculating for that era. Smash 4's speculation is a bit bleak for the people who are realistic (due to much of the important characters already being in, leaving many of the casual fans requesting a bunch of unimportant or "stupid" characters).

I have no idea what Sakurai is going to do in terms of newcomers for Smash 4.
 

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Maybe it was because I wasn't part of the community at the time, but during melee's production I was just excited every time a new character was announced, even ones I didn't know.

I didn't have any high hopes, just innocent joy that another smash game was in development.

Than I came here during Brawl's development...
 

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Whoa, I'm going to have to lay down after all that insight.

I remember looking at the Melee roster in some guide at Wal-Mart...

"Who? Who? Who? OMG MEWTWO!"
 

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I have no idea what Sakurai is going to do in terms of newcomers for Smash 4.
I'm always afraid the roster is going to be very plain Jane, and already thought up by us, but by the looks of it, it seems that Melee also had similar thoughts about "shoe-ins" and character count. It makes me a little bit happier to know that most likely, our speculation will be wrong in some, if not half the areas.

Plain Jane rosters are never fun, and always the "expected" characters. Like, King K Rool, Zoroark, and Megaman.

Than I came here during Brawl's development...
Unless I get a one of my personal favorite characters in Smash, I don't think I'll be happy with the roster. Hype just tends to get your hopes up too much. Case in point, Brawl.

"Who? Who? Who? OMG MEWTWO!"
I remember playing the demo, and pooping over Bowser.
 

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Yes, i've always wondered whether smash would get to that stage where people would just think wtf, Master Chief, uh oh, no, no, NO. Since many of the mainstreams are already in, it's actually hard coming up with people you want in the next one that isn't a stupid character. I take a lot of my inspiration from the past(Chrono Trigger, Terranigma, Secret of Evermore, Secret of Mana, Illusion of Gaia, Secret of Mana 2, Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy V, Final Fantasy VI, etc etc.), and out of those games there's no representation, but i guess par looking back a bit, it's hard to come up with non obscure choices. There's Toad, Ridley, victini/zoroark, mega man and a few others, and then an abyss.
 

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Yes, i've always wondered whether smash would get to that stage where people would just think wtf, Master Chief, uh oh, no, no, NO. Since many of the mainstreams are already in, it's actually hard coming up with people you want in the next one that isn't a stupid character. I take a lot of my inspiration from the past(Chrono Trigger, Terranigma, Secret of Evermore, Secret of Mana, Illusion of Gaia, Secret of Mana 2, Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy V, Final Fantasy VI, etc etc.), and out of those games there's no representation, but i guess par looking back a bit, it's hard to come up with non obscure choices. There's Toad, Ridley, and a few others, and then an abyss.
All your choices are Square games, except Terranigma since I've never heard of it
 

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My childhood was filled with platformers and fighting games.

I didn't know of RPG's until Super Mario RPG. I didn't GET RPG's until pokemon, lol.
 

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Sounds like some kind of sitcom comedy duo.
I'd watch that home.

Ridley: Hey Gennie, do you know how I truly feel about you?
Geno: As God sent from Heaven to cleanse you of your sins?
Ridley: Nah, I see you as a brother, but not quite a smash brother.
:laugh:

I can say that I was around for the pre-Melee release days. The hype for Melee was great but nowhere near that of Brawl. There actually did exist a lot of support for Ridley to be playable during the pre-Melee release days, primarily due to his appearance in the 2001 E3 trailer (which became Melee's opening) and the incoming resurrection of the Metroid series. Wolf and Samurai Goroh also benefited from this trailer.

[snip all your character analysis]

The reaction to Brawl's roster unveil would not have been as bad if the hype was not through the roof. Only ROB was not a popularly requested newcomer for Brawl. I also think it would have been mitigated if some of the big guns like King Dedede or Olimar were kept hidden.

Overall, the pre-Melee era was very interesting, and I am glad I was speculating for that era. Smash 4's speculation is a bit bleak for the people who are realistic (due to much of the important characters already being in, leaving many of the casual fans requesting a bunch of unimportant or "stupid" characters).

I have no idea what Sakurai is going to do in terms of newcomers for Smash 4.
Yeah Melee had hype was jogging at a fast pace; Brawl hype was like a rocket to mars with hype speed. Smash Wii U and 3DS will probably be not much bigger (hopefully it stays a little tamer than Brawl; towards the end, many people unraveled, and the noobs got annoying and acted like know it all's).

Yeah hindsight there were some interesting trends in gaming.
1. Metroid was finally coming off a half decade hiatus. (Metroid was in a similar state as Star Fox is in now, but not as bad)
2. Rare was being bought out by Microsoft, and the DK series was in a state of uncertainty (if Rare wasn't bought out, Banjo would have definitely been in Brawl).
3. Star Fox was flying high in popularity then; now it makes an A's game look lively.
4. Wario's popularity was weird. He was nearing the end of a long run of Wario Land games, and was nearing the beginning of the Wario Ware era.
5. Zelda had just redefined itself with Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, and was entering a new era.
6. The Dreamcast was about to fail, and Sega was about to stop making console games; Sonic was just a tad smaller than Mario then (now he's his shadow basically).
7. Pokémon Crystal had just been released, and it's popularity was still as big as when Red and Blue came out (or in Japan's case, Green and Red).
8. Pikmin had just come out.
9. Paper Mario came out, and with it the N64 era was ending.
10. Mario spin-offs were taking off; Mario Party 1 2 & 3, Tennis, Golf, Kart, and even Luigi's Mansion.
11. The Xbox was getting huge, with Halo 1 (remember the before Halo-noob times, lol?)
12. The PS2 just came out, and MGS2 was hyped like mad (that game is awesome).

I have a feeeling Sakurai is going to add most if not all of the characters that we all wanted in Brawl and Melee (who are still relevant), and maybe bring back a lot of retro characters, especially ones that have been recently revived. From what he said about Ridley and Metroid representation, he sounds disappointed. Ridley seems harder than most characters to make, and I'm sure he wants to make him.

I think with so many less characters wanted as badly as Wario, Meta Knight, Pit, King Dedede, Ike, Olimar, Diddy Kong, Toon Link, and of course the hype itself, Sonic, there's not going to be as much character hype.

Really, the only one who could be labelled as that big is Ridley and Mega Man, especially with Capcom wanting him in Smash according to sources (Te battle for the 5th Gen Pokémon Rep is up there, too). Perhaps maybe Paper Mario, Dixie Kong, King K. Rool, and a few others are gathering a lot of hype (Miis? Samurai Goroh? Black Shadow?), but it's nothing compared to Brawl.

With Brawl, there were a dozen of "Required" characters because of the weird Melee roster, and there was also a lot of de-cloning requests. 1/4th of the Melee newcomers were also cut, including an original character in Mewtwo.

However, that state of demand and receive has become... different. Now there are also some weird trends. Requests for Mewtwo and Roy (of all things!) are through the roof, even amongst people who were neutral towards Roy not being in Brawl.

Takamaru requests are still as high as they were in the pre-Brawl days (I was against him in Brawl due to roster limitations; now I am for him). And with two games, we could get a bunch more less popular characters or even 3rd party characters thanks to all the new roster spots. Needless to say, once we see most of the obvious choices, it's gonna get weird, like that Ridley-Geno sitcom! :laugh:
 

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That would be amazing if it did happen, I wouldn't mind if they both appeared in a e3 trailer I guess.

:phone:
Seriously, I would die at that. I would enter a fangirl-ish coma, similar to what happened as when I saw Toon Link the first time. Once I saw him in those Island Clothings, my never wrong instincts kicked in, and told me he was in. (I've guessed 10/11 of the past Super Bowl winners right, and was 44 for 44 in guessing missed free throw shots in the NBA Playoffs, lol!) God I love Toon Link. I'm still jacked up at him being in Brawl.

After all the Ridley and Geno disappointment in Brawl, it'd be that much better if we got one or both. I'm not sure how Sakurai could top that first Brawl trailer... :awesome:

My childhood was filled with platformers and fighting games.

I didn't know of RPG's until Super Mario RPG. I didn't GET RPG's until pokemon, lol.
Yeah, Chrono Trigger was my first RPG, lol! (then the PokérMANZ!) LOVE that game! Didn't play Super Mario RPG until around the time Brawl was announced; beaten it twice, loved it a hundred times over! :grin:

I didn't have any high hopes, just innocent joy that another smash game was in development.

Than I came here during Brawl's development...
That Smash Boards for ya! :grin: :awesome: :cool:

Plus I think after you get your feet wet in two games for what? 7, 8 years, you tend to CRAVE more!

Whoa, I'm going to have to lay down after all that insight.

I remember looking at the Melee roster in some guide at Wal-Mart...

"Who? Who? Who? OMG MEWTWO!"
I played the demo, and everyone but me chose Mewtwo. I chose Kirby, since I mained him then in SSB64. I barely knew who/what Kirby was back then! :laugh:
 

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Yea, I definetly remember the Melee era, Banjo Kazooie would have been in Melee or at least Brawl if it wasn't for the Conker controversy that RARE and Nintendo were disputing about.

I also fondly remember the MGS2 hype, hell I was so eager to play the demo as well, I was so estactic over it.

As for Halo, I never got into it that early until 2006, but it was definetly good to see another system coming out, too bad Dreamcast failed, it had a bunch of good games like Soul Calibur, Sonic Adventure 2, MvC2 and such other titles. :c

:phone:
 

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Geno's cult following is actually similar to that of another character during the pre-Melee release days. That character's name was literally Poo. No really, it was was Poo from EarthBound. For some reason that character got a massive cult following, and the Cult of Poo required you to have him in your roster. A lot of people questioned the idea of having a random party member from an obscure RPG from a series that was DOA be in as a newcomer for Melee especially considering there were far many more worthy choices available. However, the Cult of Poo responded this by keep repeating the coolness of Poo and how unique he would be. Poo's cult actually did not die out until Brawl was announced.

Much of Geno's fanbase has also died out, with many people being bitter that they were deluded into thinking he was likely by them. Heck, I would say even Waluigi is now more requested for playable status than Geno. Though Geno did not take off for popularity, until the massive Fawful following died off.

I am curious who will be the Geno/Poo for Smash 4.
 

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I am curious who will be the Geno/Poo for Smash 4.
Poo? Really? That's suprising. I've always written him off. All I can say is, hopefully it isn't a character I like, because the whole "cult following" hasn't been working out as far as I can tell.
 

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I think that its just important to remember that for all we know some characters that NO ONE was expecting (ie. ROB [at least I definitely wasn't]) might make it in and some highly expected characters (ie. ridley in brawl) won't. So I've thought up a list of new comers that I want and put a * next to the ones i think are likely...
Waluigi*
Bowser jr.*
Paper mario
Dixie kong*
King K. Rool*
Toon Zelda/Tetra
Ridley*
Captain Syrup
Tingle
Starfy*
Chibi-Robo
Krystal*
Samari Goroh*
Black Shadow
Mewtwo
Plusle&minun
Zoroark*
villager (animal crossing)
Micaiah
Caeda (also known as shiida)
Porky
Claus
Saki*
Lil' Mac*
Geno*
Megaman*
Bomberman
Ray mk
slime/chocobo
isaac*
any suggestions? love/hate any of these characters? leave a reply! :)
 

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Geno's cult following is actually similar to that of another character during the pre-Melee release days. That character's name was literally Poo. No really, it was was Poo from EarthBound. For some reason that character got a massive cult following, and the Cult of Poo required you to have him in your roster. A lot of people questioned the idea of having a random party member from an obscure RPG from a series that was DOA be in as a newcomer for Melee especially considering there were far many more worthy choices available. However, the Cult of Poo responded this by keep repeating the coolness of Poo and how unique he would be. Poo's cult actually did not die out until Brawl was announced.

Much of Geno's fanbase has also died out, with many people being bitter that they were deluded into thinking he was likely by them. Heck, I would say even Waluigi is now more requested for playable status than Geno. Though Geno did not take off for popularity, until the massive Fawful following died off.

I am curious who will be the Geno/Poo for Smash 4.
Of all the EarthBound playable characters (Ness, Paula, Jeff, Poo), Poo is definitely the crappiest! :laugh: The cult of Poo should be revived though. Thanks to you Chrono, I will revive this cult until our Poo is everywhere! I'll do to you with Poo what that raccoon that got locked in my garage did with it's poo in my garage: spread the Poo everywhere! :laugh:

I think Geno will still be fairly popular. Maybe not as requested, but very popular. If he ends out being one of the most desired characters, it could happen.

As for the next Poo, let us pray it isn't Cloud or Sephiroth. If there is one thing I can't stand, it's the creepy hype people put into those characters, who IMO aren't that great (Final Fantasy after VI is pretty forgettable to me, actually).

Man, I can't wait for Smash 4's hype, but probably won't happen until e3 2012, oh well...

:phone:
I imagine they'll present something. Maybe not new characters like the first Brawl trailer. Revealing Meta Knight, Pit, Zero Suit Samus, Wario, AND SOLID SNAKE in the same trailer was crazy! That's 5 very popular characters that were wanted really badly for Melee. There's no way Smash Bros. 4 can do that. Maybe they could have one interesting guy (Mega Man? Ridley? Geno? Paper Mario? The 5th Generation Pokémon Representative), but nothing near that level.

And don't even start on the Sonic hype level. That may have been more hype than all the characters wanted at that point in the Brawl hype days COMBINED!!! Smash Boards was dead crashed for a couple of days, and was like hell to navigate with limited bandwidth for a couple of weeks! :laugh:

If Mega Man is confirmed, put your lag goggles on! :grin: :awesome: :cool:

Edit: We all need to start calling Mallow (from Super Mario RPG) Marshy now, lol!
 

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Yes, i've always wondered whether smash would get to that stage where people would just think wtf, Master Chief, uh oh, no, no, NO. Since many of the mainstreams are already in, it's actually hard coming up with people you want in the next one that isn't a stupid character. I take a lot of my inspiration from the past(Chrono Trigger, Terranigma, Secret of Evermore, Secret of Mana, Illusion of Gaia, Secret of Mana 2, Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy V, Final Fantasy VI, etc etc.), and out of those games there's no representation, but i guess par looking back a bit, it's hard to come up with non obscure choices. There's Toad, Ridley, victini/zoroark, mega man and a few others, and then an abyss.
luco am with u
 

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I'd love for Mallow to be, after Geno.

I never really cared if Geno was popular or not. Geno thread wasn't very vocal when I joined it
 
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