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Zoroark would still be more primal/feral than the other playable Pokemon, (especially Lucario and Mewtwo) with potentially many "primal" attacks like biting, slashing, and clawing as part of its A moveset.
Basically Zoroark burned babies and ***** houses because she was tricked by the obligatory antagonist who states that he kidnapped Zorua. Oh, and there was that fight against the shiny legendary beasts and the heroic "sacrifice".No really, inform me as to what Zoroark does in the movies that was interesting. I have no clue on anything related to the movies!
In general terms, I'm actually fully in favour of King K. Rool! He was actually the 45th character on my list - the very last one I cut before I reached the final 44 (I narrowly went with Toon Link over him). Mewtwo was a bit further down, something like 51st.
I think Smash is all about celebrating the diversity of Nintendo. It does that in two ways - it honours characters from the current generation, the new entrants to the Nintendo ranks, and it honours the characters who started their own piece of history. As I said, my rule for assessing a Smash character is first of all establish: is it a series which features the same characters repeatedly (F-Zero, Star Fox, Mario), or is it a series which features a new slate every game (Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Golden Sun). For the former, the character has to have appeared recently, and is likely to continue to appear. I'd argue Rosalina isn't really that integral to Mario, for example. We're unlikely to see her again in the future. Bowser Jr.? He's become a central character in a whole host of games now. For the latter, you can't make that distinction. You can't say "let's have Marth, he'll be relevant forever" because every game Fire Emblem has new characters. Nobody is relevant forever. The best you can do is pick the first, the history-maker, and then the most recent. That balances historical and modern relevance. For me, Roy was an excellent way to honour the generation in which Melee took place. By SSB4, he's gone.
Thank you. The only Zelda characters I think worthy of inclusion who are not present already, even at a really outside shot, is Tingle. Otherwise, Zelda's pretty much finished for me. As much as I love Vaati, he's just not deserving of a place.
I think if FR/LG hadn't come out before Brawl, we probably would have had just plain out Blaziken, who was the Lucario/Mewtwo/Zoroark of his gen. The idea of Pokemon Trainer was inspired by Gen 1 as a whole, rather than a specific piece of Gen 1, if that makes sense.
Yeah, I agree. Krystal is actually pretty low on my list, barring a new Star Fox game being released some time soon.
Mewtwo is a part of the Regional Dex of Gold and Silver.
He's not for R/S/E, D/P/Pt, or B/W.I disagree. The way I see it is a character has to remain relevant. What's the point of having a character who is not historically significant, or appeared recently? It'd be like including Marill. Say Marill had been included in Melee as the G/S Representative. Why would you keep Marill in, 10 years down the line? Is Marill really that important in the grand scheme of Nintendo? No, it's really not. Now, obviously I'm exaggerating. Mewtwo is a lot more important than Mewtwo. But compared to all of those 44 characters I listed, I would say Mewtwo is less important. That's not to say he's not deserving of a place. Given I definitely think Brawl will have more than 44 characters, I also think there is a strong likelihood Mewtwo will be in. I'm just saying, he's one of the characters closest to the "not inclusion" line, to my mind.
All of those characters had also made recent game appearances. Even Diddy Kong made an appearance as a playable character in no less than 8 games between 2005 and 2007. The fact these characters were demanded was incidental - it's the fact they were around a great deal at the time. My counter-point is Geno. Geno was highly demanded - and yet totally irrelevant. Thus, he wasn't included.
Because I really don't want Smash to become self-reflective. As soon as your reasoning becomes "Why Roy? Because of Smash." you can start saying "Why Master Hand? Because of Smash.", or "Why Tabuu? Because of Smash." Even for less extreme examples, we'd have bring back Pichu and Dr. Mario by this logic. It just doesn't hold.
No, Mewtwo's a little different to Roy. I think Mewtwo still stands a very high chance, he's probably just about inside the top 50 characters, if not my top 44. Roy doesn't make that bar at all.
Jigglypuff was originally going to be the Pokemon Mascot. It's also the Pokemon not owned by a trainer with the most frequent appearances in the anime - the starring wild Pokemon. Many more frequent appearances than Mewtwo. In fact, your argument about the anime actually supports my point. The last time Jigglypuff appeared in the anime? The end credits of Best Wishes, the most recent series. The last time Mewtwo appeared in the anime? Mewtwo Returns, which was released in 2000. By the time SSB4 is released, it will likely be 14 years old.
I think Mewtwo will be in a Smash game. Note, the 44 character list is not my prediction; it's what I personally would choose if I was forced to cut down to just 44 characters. You can see above what I get if I go for 55 characters - Mewtwo is actually included. If you like, I just think Mewtwo is in the twilight zone - his inclusion is very much dependent on the roster size. He's a very strong contender, but not enough to be absolutely, completely sure of a space.
Just as an example. My main point is, the only thing that makes Roy any different to Lyn or Ephraim or Celice or Sigurd (and if we're being honest, Sigurd is the best Lord in Fire Emblem by such a large margin it's not even funny
), is that he's appeared in Smash before. The only logic you can use to justify Roy is "he's been there before, therefore he should be in". If you follow that, we also have to add Pichu back, and Dr. Mario back. That's just not worth it when those spaces could go to other characters. Even if you just go "**** it, Roy is an exception", you still have to say "why is Roy an exception?". What makes Roy so special? And there really is no other answer than "because I personally like him". On an objective basis, Roy does not get a place (where as Mewtwo and King K. Rool probably will).No worries, I follow where you're going.
This is what I mean though. If the only reason you have for why Roy should return is "he has before", why not Doc? Why not Pichu?
Yes. Absolutely. In fact, if Zoroark and Krom make it into SSB4, I fully expect neither Krom nor Zoroark to be in SSB5 (provided they don't re-use their characters in games released after SSB4). Zoroark and Krom should not be permanent. They should be in now because they're the representatives of their series now, but they won't be in the future, and then they should be removed (which is a shame because Krom is a good design, but that's life for you).
You'll find it above you. There's one or two characters I don't really mind if they go, I threw it together quickly just as a rough guide, so I could probably be easily persuaded to change say, Captain Syrup or Paper Mario.Go for it! No hard feelings here on my part
Of course I'm putting an arbitrary number on it.Well, even then, you are putting an arbitrary number on it. You also have to consider that simply re-adding veterans are much easier to construct than new characters built from the ground up. With returning veterans, you have all the required previous playable character data, and don't have to do as much if you want to change them.
My desired 44-man roster would be the Brawl roster without Pit (because I hate the way he plays, I hate his moveset, and above everything else, I hate most Pit players and everything those specific Pit mains I hate stand for, and ultimate all the stale things about Brawl), Mewtwo, Mega Man, K. Rool, Ridley, the Balloon Fighter, and Isaac. So there.
You seem to be missing the point! I'm not predicting the SSB4 roster. I'm not even creating my ideal SSB4 roster. I'm creating my ideal SSB4 roster if I had to work within an arbitrary limit of 44 characters! The goal of this was to discover which 44 characters I think are the most important for inclusion - that's the list I posted. Everyone seems to think I don't want Mewtwo or King K. Rool in Brawl. That's not true. I do; I just don't think they're in the top 44 in terms of importance. If I'd picked a different arbitrary number to act as my constraint, I could have picked them.
Chapter ten has a Centurion Assist item in a treasure chest.
The way I saw Zoroark is that it would have balanced offenses and defenses, while offering manageable speed and aerial abilities.
Foul Play is one example to take note of; the user of the attack would use the target's physical Attack stat to deal damage; that would mean bad news for brute force characters like Ganondorf, but not so much for weaker characters like Kirby.
Final Smash material there people.^^^Plus Night Daze looked awesome.
I really hope that carries over (even to a smaller extent) of how Night Daze would look/work in Smash.
I did not lie to you! It's in the room after the large lava area in the cave. Instead of going through the door to leave, go off the path and you'll see a lone treasure chest. The treasure should usually be a Centurion Assist. Be careful though, as opening the chest will spawn enemies too.
Personally I like Zorua better.
Just wait until Genesect's reveal either late this year or early next year, then they'll be hopeless, until then they're just plain Silly.
It's not like anyone was going to comment on your dumb post anyway.
Hey! Don't take that tone with me! I was just putting my priorities in order amidst the 44-character minimalism! After that whole thing over the 44 characters vs 55 characters, I just had to measure things based on any number of possibilies of character quantity. You'd better back off if you don't have a better way of sorting out our priorities on the Smash 4 roster!
These sort of off-topic tangents happen all the time. Hell, sometimes they end up being relevant to whatever is being discussed in some weird way. Let the talk run its course.
I smell trouble. You're probably going to exploit this conflict to push your anti-Sheik agenda again.Sheik isn't top priority, far from it actually.
I may not have experienced your agenda first-hand, but I've heard about you! Didn't you used to start conflicts yourself by how you used to push for Sheik's side of the Zelda character to be removed and add in Impa from Skyward Sword instead?Excuse me I don't believe I ever discussed my 'anti-Sheik agenda' with you.
You've heard of me, right. What does everyone say about me.
When it was the "main developer" of Brawl, it had 2 employees, one of which was SAKURAI! Plus it is Sora Ltd. now.
1)People hate cuts because they hate losing "their" characterWarheart, the thing is... most people don't want new characters if it meant cutting the old characters, even if they did not like playing as them in Melee/Brawl. Same with how Marvel vs. Capcom 3 cut most of the characters from Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and added a bunch of new characters, causing some fans to complain, whine, and b***h about the Marvel vs. Capcom 3 roster despite the new characters adding some new and fresh playstyles.
If I told everyone that Mewtwo was getting cut and replaced with Lucario in Smash 3 - everyone would flame me and tell me I am an idiot who is wrong. And when it turns out to be true and people are upset about Mewtwo being cut... but at the same time, those same people start to like playing as Lucario and they don't want Lucario cut in favor of Zoroark for Smash 4. And the cycle continues.
So, even if we did get some cuts and added a bunch of new characters who replaced them like Krom, Impa, and Zoroark... sure, people will be hating those characters at first but eventually they will begin to like them and not want them cut from Smash 5. And it's because they blindly adhere to the self-imposed principle that "everyone who ever becomes playable in Smash must be playable in all future Smash games" as if Smash is some sort of a black hole that forces all the characters to be playable in all future Smash games once they became playable in a Smash game. Maybe that's why they don't want characters like Duck Hunt Dog and Tingle to be in Smash. They are afraid that if they are ever playable in Smash 4, they would have to be playable in all future Smash games.
than :mariobrawl:; because :mariobrawl: is garbage, and is awesome. Granted I would prefer that be dressed as be Smash 4! 
Meh, well I cut only Pit because I like the other 38 Brawl characters. Pit I cut because his moveset IMO sucks, he's campy player, and Pit players (mostly) are freaking annoying!Of course I'm putting an arbitrary number on it.
Then I added the characters that felt like they went "best" with my roster, and who added the most (Mega Man, K. Rool, Mewtwo, etc.) to the roster. That's my thinking, anyways.Want me to convince you with video footage of Fire Emblem 6 (the game he stars) and my ideas for how he could be an original and unique character=???
literally is the most requested character not in Brawl here, there, and everywhere! As for and , if they had original movesets (and the latter had a similar play style maybe), few would complain. That would be especially true if had the awesome moveset that I imagine it could have and I have explained several times (and I will again).We've never really had a character with a moveset based around being primal/feral and/or using a claw.
Meloetta support is gonna die eventually. As for Genesect, for whatever reason, Genesect's popular seems to remain. It kinda reminds me of Deoxys' support pre-Brawl.
" people tend to not be so "anti-" if we bring up the idea of having an original moveset. " and "anti-" folks don't feel so strongly (or have a change of opinion in that scenario), but more so. Like WAYYY moreso. Cuz has t3h ph1r3!!! Weakling. BOW TO YOUR KNIGHTLY MASTER!!!
And shine my boots while you're at it! 
