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[Metal Overlord]

Not sure how I feel on the "Wolf's own take on the Fox Illusion" part

Regardless, dat Up B

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

John: I've heard a lot that Dark Dawn was less received than the first two. Indeed... Biggest mistake Sakurai would do is to include Matthew over Isaac.

/Glances around for GoldenYuui/

(->_>-)

(-<_<-)

 

[Johnknight1]

I think Wolf's forward B is fine as is, although it could use slight modifications to make it more original.

Still, that Wolf' up B option ain't bad Kuma.

I have no idea what the other 2 specials could should be.

I think a rocket launcher could make a great special attack.

Still, I got a feeling Sakurai has something special in store with Wolf returns. Sakurai will probably end up making Wolf in Smash Wii U/3DS more original than Falco was in Brawl.

@ Young Horsetail
3 different points of no return does that. Also, the game is way too easy; no level grinding at all!

Spoiler

That is the opposite of the 2 previous Golden Sun games.

 

[Big-Cat]

Not sure how I feel on the "Wolf's own take on the Fox Illusion" part

Regardless, dat Up B

What's wrong with it? When I was reading that Project M Wolf was juggle heavy, the idea came to mind. The move would look kind of like this.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I still think the StarFox trio is fine as is.

Maybe do something different with their Side Bs?

 

[Arcadenik]

John: I've heard a lot that Dark Dawn was less received than the first two. Indeed... Biggest mistake Sakurai would do is to include Matthew over Isaac.

/Glances around for GoldenYuui/

(->_>-)

(-<_<-)

Well, in my opinion, I truly don't think it should be a big deal like some people are making it out to be. I mean, Matthew and GBA Isaac physically look nearly identical. Similar hairstyle, same face, same yellow scarf even if they are wearing different clothes and they even have the same powers from what I can tell. I simply don't think they would put in a character who isn't even the main character of the latest Golden Sun game over the actual main character of said game. I mean, it will be only be the Golden Sun fans who would get mad but the potential new customers would be interested in trying out Matthew's game (Dark Dawn)... it isn't like they are able to buy the first two GBA games in Target, Wal-Mart, etc. except maybe at GameStop but they are used and that's not good for Nintendo's business.

If Ninten somehow replaced Ness in Smash... are you going to tell me that you would be upset over it even though Ninten looks exactly like Ness? It's like you only care about seeing the "right" name on the character select screen and hearing the "correct" name when the announcer says the character's name. Anyway, I simply don't care which one, Matthew or Isaac, gets in Smash. They are both Venus Adepts and they have the same powers. It wouldn't make much of a difference if we got Isaac or Matthew. I guess I just feel that there's no need to be anal retentive regarding Golden Sun.

 

[yani]

So close to beating Xenoblade.. I think Shulk might be tied with Dixie for my most wanted character now.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I want King K.Rool and Mewtwo most. Next come Dixie and Impa. Then Isaac and Anthony Higgs (remember him?)

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Arc
Would you be upset if Persia Skitty got in over Meowth=??? They look identical!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Purugly is fatter better

 

[Arcadenik]

@ Arc
Would you be upset if Persia Skitty got in over Meowth=??? They look identical!

I see what you are trying. But no, they don't even look alike unlike Isaac and Matthew.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Impa and Sheik also don't look alike. But I don't careeee

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Arc
They have a similar body type. That's what you are saying. That's why I'm saying Meowth could easily be substituted in the Pokémon world. Heck, you could have Mario substituted by a many different characters.

Dark Dawn wasn't well received compared to the 1st 2 games. It ain't gonna show up on anyone's "best games of all-time" list anytime soon like the 1st 2 games. Dark Dawn also sold a crap ton less than the 1st 2 Golden Sun games.

Still, we all know the difference between Isaac and Matthew. Adult Isaac would be the best option for a look for Isaac, since I got a feeling he is the future of the franchise. I mean, if Dark Dawn is the building of the franchise, why not bring back the total BAMF from the classic games in the series who killed everything that stood in his way=???

Maybe that would make me buy a new Golden Sun game, instead of being merely content with the 2 Golden Sun games I have!

Really, adult Isaac's beard should be a character. It's about as awesome as James Harden's beard!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Was Dark Dawn really that bad?

 

[Baskerville]

John likes to make everything sound bad.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Any Fire Emblem news though?

 

[GiantBreadbug]

No, Dark Dawn was not bad at all. Isaac is still better for Smash, but DD was on par with the rest of the series.

Nostalgia is a powerful thing.

 

[Arcadenik]

Was Dark Dawn really that bad?

Well, that's what the others say... but in my opinion, I thought it was a decent game in its own right. I don't know if the others were just looking at it through rose-colored nostalgia glasses. The only thing I disliked about it was certain "points of no return" where I cannot come back to collect the stuff I missed. But the rest of the game was pretty good and quite enjoyable. I am pretty sure there will be a Golden Sun 4 game eventually based on the game's ending. I guess it's one of those things you say "your mileage may vary".

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Arc:
Should Isa then make it over Saki?

...

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Kuma- At first, I was thinking that because of that statement, you were gonna make his Side B similar to Fox Illusion, but as long as it looks like that, I'd like that idea

 

[Johnknight1]

Was Dark Dawn really that bad?

No. It's basically just the Donkey Kong 64 of the series. Dark Dawn had a lot of odd turns that were unnecessary, it was too easy (the 1st 2 required a lot of level grinding), and it basically followed up 2 classics with a game that is only really good. If this was a new series, this game would be loved, and wouldn't have the "Golden Sun" expectations.

Imagine if after Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask we waited 8 years for a new Zelda game, and we got a game only slightly better than Phantom Hourglass (but a bit longer). That's what Dark Dawn was. A long wait that wasn't worth it.

Actually, a better comparison would be... Brawl. Nintendo hyped Brawl as superior to Melee in every way (according to Reggie). Nintendo did the same thing with Dark Dawn. In other words, Nintendo hyped Dark Dawn to be better than what it was. That's why I was disappointed with the game. It was a B-grade game disguised as a AA-grade game.

 

[Metal Overlord]

JOHN UNDERSTANDS ME

Dark Dawn Isaac should really get in Smash with dat beard. Oh, and dat jacket, too

 

[Arcadenik]

Arc:
Should Isa then make it over Saki?

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Blasphemous much?

 

[Johnknight1]

Exactly. Metal is like my long lost younger brother whom I tell what to believe and he acts like he thought of it too! (just kidding bro!)

I just think older looking Isaac was too good of a character, and that he'll be the star moving forward. Still, Golden Sun 1 and 2 Isaac should be an alternate outfit!

Edit: What in the heck is an "Isa"=???

Iwata: (laughs)

 

[Big-Cat]

@Kuma- At first, I was thinking that because of that statement, you were gonna make his Side B similar to Fox Illusion, but as long as it looks like that, I'd like that idea

Yay!

Dat Talbain.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

It should be other way round.

Adult Isaac for an alternative outfit.

Because not everyone finds Ishuck Norris epic.

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[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Arcadenick already put my thoughts on it.

It's fun, but also very easy.(save a few bosses) Monsters give twice as much experience as usual.

 

[Metal Overlord]

NO YOU WERE NOT KIDDING

TAKE THAT BACK, YOU... YOU DOODIEHEAD

Spoiler

But yeah, I agree, I feel the same way about Roy (he should have get his classic Melee look as an alt and his FE13 look as a primary)

 

[Johnknight1]

It should be other way round.

Adult Isaac for an alternative outfit.

Because not everyone finds Ishuck Norris epic.

...

Who=??? Tell me how, so we can hunt them down!!!

What next, people are gonna say older Ike isn't cooler than younger Ike=???

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

...

Lol Isa's name sounds like...

More fuelling to Golden Sin-pairing!!!
(-Ò▼Ó-)

In any case, Garet should be made playable too. Because I love that guy to bits.

 

[Shorts]

Was anyone else super hyped when Sonic was revealed for Brawl.. but extremely disappointed when you played as him?

 

[Big-Cat]

Was anyone else super hyped when Sonic was revealed for Brawl.. but extremely disappointed when you played as him?

Yes and all the returning cast.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Yes Shortie

I love Sonic, but he is so obnoxious in Brawl

Plus no Bounce Attack. Da fuq?

 

[Arcadenik]

Was anyone else super hyped when Sonic was revealed for Brawl.. but extremely disappointed when you played as him?

Funny... I had the opposite reactions. I was so furious when Sonic was in Brawl (because I disliked Sonic's rabid fanbase) but I kinda like his moveset. With that said, I guess I can tolerate Sonic coming back in Smash 4 if he brings Mushroom Hill Zone as a new stage.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I agree with Kuma. The only character that was preserved as good as in Melee was Pikachu, of all my mains. I had to give up upon Kirby, Ness, Jiggs and Yoshi. They sucked too much compared to new characters.

 

[yani]

I actually love how Sonic plays as well

 

[Metal Overlord]

Mushroom Hill Zone would be nice, but I kinda want City Escape or Death Egg more

 

[Shorts]

I was really disappointed with how he played. (I was expecting Sonic Battle type attacks)

I guess I wasn't too hyped for Brawl's roster in general though.

 

[Johnknight1]

Was anyone else super hyped when Sonic was revealed for Brawl.. but extremely disappointed when you played as him?

Not at 1st. It took a while for it to sink in that Sonic sucked. And then slowly Sonic has become somewhere around "average" in Brawl. His attacks are pretty lame, but he isn't too bad to play as compared to the rest of the Brawl roster.

A lot of the characters that were great (as in high/top tier) in Melee felt really poorly designed, or just plain sucked. Mario, Peach (well, she got better in time), Ganondorf, Sheik (everything good about her was removed, yet she could chain grab still), Fox, Jigglypuff, Captain Falcon (this is when smash hit rock bottom).

The only top/high tier character that were top/high tier in both Melee and Brawl are Donkey Kong and the Ice Climbers.

Also, a lot of the characters that were good in Smash 64 but bad in Melee were surprisingly fun to play as or surprisingly good (like Pikachu). Still, most of the "best characters" were newcomers. The worst newcomer was probably better than about a third of the returning characters!

tl;dr
Pretty much what Kuma said!

 

[Wario Bros.]

I was really excited when Sonic was revealed. I still love playing as him.