New Smash Bros for WiiU

[grizby2]

I was just thinking about what Sakurai said about how hard it was for the development team to put 39 characters in Brawl.... it means he counts each character individually. If Sakurai said he could put in 50 characters in Smash 4 if he wanted to... it does not necessarily mean he is going to have a roster with 50 slots. It could even be 40-45 slots with a total of 50 individual characters.

If Sakurai isn't going to cut anyone from Brawl and we keep all 39 characters, who would be the 11 newcomers? Remember transformation characters don't count together, they have to be counted separately.

1. Toad
2. Dixie Kong
3. Ridley
4. Zoroark
5. Krom
6. Palutena
7. Little Mac
8. Mii
9. Takamaru
10. Duck Hunt Dog
11. Mega Man

i have alot of confidence that Dixie kong could make it. it'd be one more female character, plus she'd have a throw style like Donkey kongs (thats MY hypothesis anyway.)
and ofcourse little mac.

 

[grizby2]

Easy. It's Team Rocket.

& team and & team

You switch Arbok and Weezing with Down B.

you know i just thought about it.
if team rocket were in the next smash, then sm4sh would already have enough material for a plot for story mode.

 

[Arcadenik]

Definitely. They would probably be trying to catch Yoshi or Kirby, thinking they are undiscovered Pokemon.

It would be pretty hilarious if Team Rocket and Duck Hunt Dog were trying to hunt each other... Team Rocket thinking Duck Hunt Dog is a rare Pokemon... Duck Hunt Dog hunting Team Rocket to add them to his trophy collection.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Team Rocket? Haha, I remember suggesting Double Trouble (you know, the Team Rocket song from the anime) should get in Samsh. I would love for them to be in as playable, though

What are your thoughts about Snake possibly showing up for Sony Smash Bros (now named: PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale)? Do you think him being unveiled as a big guest for that game might have an impact on him returning for Smash 4?

Maybe if they were releasing close to each other (like months from each other), but since it'll most likely be years between that and Smash 4, nah, I doubt that it'll have much of an effect

@ Golden
The only 3rd party character that could be playable in smash I see possibly see being inspired by an appearance in another fighting game is Pac-Man in Street Fighter X Tekken. However, I don't see Pac-Man driving a robot as his primary means of fighting. It could, however be a special move (much like Wario's Bike).

Ewwwwwww, if Pac-Man does get in Smash, it should be the Classic version and not that creepy **** from SFxT

You are giving Impa too good of a chance bro. Impa's chances are about equal to the Bobcats beating the All-NBA Team with the Bobcat's starters all out with injuries.

Kemba Walker 4 Smash

 

[Lukingordex]

Arbok and weezing beeing playable will be... strange...

 

[Arcadenik]

That Double Trouble motto should be Team Rocket's entrance in Smash and then Meowth shouts "Meowth! That's right!" before Jesse or James releases their Pokemon to team up with Meowth.

Just shorten the motto to "Prepare for trouble" "Make it double" "Meowth! That's right!" It's really fitting... Jesse warns Super Smash Bros. to prepare for trouble. James suggests doubling the trouble. Meowth jumps in and agrees with them before he is paired with either Arbok and Weezing (double trouble).

& team and & team

It probably might not happen but if it did, I would be over the moon! I am really hoping that Team Rocket would be that unexpected Pokemon newcomer for Smash 4 just like Pokemon Trainer was for Brawl.

 

[Lukingordex]

You have a fertile imagination...

But I liked it :D

 

[Oasis_S]

About as fertile as POOP.

 

[Arcadenik]

What does the S in Oasis_S stand for? Is it synonymous with poop?

 

[Oasis_S]

Oasis_Scooper.

 

[Arcadenik]

That's your job title. See you on Dirty Jobs on the Discovery Channel.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

After hearing all this Team Rocket talk, I thought of an amazing idea. If we got a generic Pokemon Trainer, why not a generic Rocket Grunt? We all know Team Rocket is the most infamous and important of all Pokemon crime syndicates in history. The grunt should wear a typical Rocket Uniform, with red eyes, and pink hair. The Pokemon he should use are Ratata (them cute lil buggers), Arbok (the cool, but weak snake), and Crobat (the infamous Goddamned Bat). Ratata would be a fast light weight, Normal type who uses mostly bites and tail attacks. Arbok would be a slow, heavy weight, Poison type who who strike fast and crush his victims. Crowbat would be a somewhat fast medium weight, Poison/Flying type that shows no mercy in air, water, or land with Firebrand-like fighting tactics. This would be a great idea since most people on the Super Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS Facebook page loves it. Meowth deserves his own seperate slot like Pikachu IMO.

 

[Arcadenik]

instead of ???

I think that if Team Rocket was in Smash 4 with Rattata, Arbok, and Crobat... many fans who don't frequent Smash and/or Pokemon message boards and only play the games and watch the anime.... they would be complaining about why Meowth isn't with Team Rocket. Meowth's popularity is intertwined with Team Rocket's popularity. It's like having Pokemon Trainer Red with Snorlax, Lapras, and Espeon instead of Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard. Pokemon Trainer Red's importance/popularity is intertwined with those of the 1st gen starters.

 

[Dark Yoghurt]

Three purple Pokemon in one team, nehhh boring.

And also, isn't Team Rocket as a character in Smash too hard to pull off? As in getting permission and legal issues blablabla... Wouldn't Sakurai have put Ash in Brawl if that wasn't the case? Team Rocket seems cool, but just a generic Grunt seems a bit boring to me (I find Pokemon Trainer okay because you always play as a random Pokemon Trainer in the games (you're not always in Ash's role, while for example in Zelda you always play the role of Link)), a Rocket Grunt would seem like a random enemy, using Jessie and James' Pokemon, along with a talking Meowth... no that would just seem wrong.

 

[SmashChu]

What are your thoughts about Snake possibly showing up for Sony Smash Bros (now named: PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale)? Do you think him being unveiled as a big guest for that game might have an impact on him returning for Smash 4?

I don't think so. But I also don't think Snake or Sonic will come back. No reason to have the same guest twice.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I don't think so. But I also don't think Snake or Sonic will come back. No reason to have the same guest twice.

Quoted the truth.

 

[Dark Yoghurt]

But I also don't think Snake or Sonic will come back. No reason to have the same guest twice.

I hope that's true, aside from not really liking the playstyles of the characters. Their appearances and roles in SSE just seemed random, out of place. I feel like the world in the Adventure mode would've been more Nintendo'y if they didn't need to mix 2 kinds of universes together.

 

[Arcadenik]

Three purple Pokemon in one team, nehhh boring.

And also, isn't Team Rocket as a character in Smash too hard to pull off? As in getting permission and legal issues blablabla... Wouldn't Sakurai have put Ash in Brawl if that wasn't the case? Team Rocket seems cool, but just a generic Grunt seems a bit boring to me (I find Pokemon Trainer okay because you always play as a random Pokemon Trainer in the games (you're not always in Ash's role, while for example in Zelda you always play the role of Link)), a Rocket Grunt would seem like a random enemy, using Jessie and James' Pokemon, along with a talking Meowth... no that would just seem wrong.

Exactly. That's why I want the Team Rocket from Pokemon Yellow. It's the only Pokemon game where Red could have all three starters in one go without trading... it just seems so fitting to see Pokemon Trainer Red face Team Rocket Jessie & James with their Pokemon... just like in Pokemon Yellow. I agree with you - it seems wrong to have a generic Team Rocket Grunt using Jessie & James' Pokemon with a talking Meowth. If Sakurai wants to piss off the Pokemon anime fans, he can go ahead and put in a generic Team Rocket Grunt with Rattata, Arbok, and Crobat instead of Jessie & James with Meowth, Arbok, and Weezing.

EDIT: For more than 10 years, Team Rocket has been constantly put up in our faces in the anime for more than 10 years. The power of the product positioning after over 10 years has firmly established in the general population that when people think of Team Rocket, they think of Jessie, James, and Meowth. And since the 1st gen is pretty much the most popular generation, if people think about Team Rocket during the 1st gen, especially during the first couple seasons of the anime... Arbok and Weezing stand out the most when compared to Lickitung and Victreebel. If Smash 4 puts in Team Rocket Grunt with Rattata, Arbok, and Crobat... it's going up against what the general population has already established in their minds when they think of Team Rocket.

 

[Dark Yoghurt]

The power of the product positioning after over 10 years has firmly established in the general population that when people think of Team Rocket, they think of Jessie, James, and Meowth.

New character in Sm4sh: Giovanni! With Jessie, James, Meowth tagteam

 

[Arcadenik]

New character in Sm4sh: Giovanni! With Jessie, James, Meowth tagteam

Meowth needs to have his infamous boss fantasies about Giovanni in his speedo in the Adventure Mode where Giovanni declares he will reward Meowth and friends for giving him a rare "Pokemon" like Kirby or Yoshi.

 

[Lukingordex]

Meowth needs to have his infamous boss fantasies about Giovanni in his speedo in the Adventure Mode where Giovanni declares he will reward Meowth and friends for giving him a rare "Pokemon" like Kirby or Yoshi.

Nice idea,this is the best idea ever,I liked it!!

 

[Mypantisgone]

AGREED


And that team rocket idea is new and nice,a duo character that can change the second character,ice trainers!
What can i give you...10 internet cookiez for ya?

 

[Deleted member]

Except that in G/S/C/HG/SS, Red had fully evolved forms of all the Starters, so it would stand to reason that they could've been unevolved at some point.
*Sees who I'm talking to*
I need to keep my Meowth shut.

But still, if we were to get Team Rocket, I'd prefer Meowth alone with Arbok and Weezing as a tag-team, as I've already made a moveset for a year ago. It just makes more sense. It was always Arbok and Weezing together in a fight.

Spoiler

ARBOK AND WEEZING
Gimmick: Weezing follows Arbok around like Kimchi does with Chowder in Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion. Where Arbok goes, Weezing follows. Both share damage meter, and can feel each other’s pain, as a reference to the anime, where more often than not, one wasn’t directly hit, and STILL somehow got attacked along with the target. Also, due to Team Rocket’s persistence and tenaciousness, their Pokemon DO NOT have Pokemon Trainer’s Stamina gimmick.
Neutral Combo: Arbok bites, then Weezing headbutts.
Neutral Forward: Arbok slams with tail, then Weezing tackles. (works like Snake or Meta Knight)
Dash Attack: Both lunge forward.
Neutral Up: Arbok swats up with tail.
Neutral Down: Arbok sweeps with tail.
Forward Smash: Arbok grabs Weezing, and swings him forward.
Up Smash: Weezing quickly flies right where Arbok is and makes two gas “geysers”.
Down Smash: Same as above, but Weezing “explodes” with gas, covering near everywhere around it.
Neutral Air: Arbok loops.
Forward Air: Arbok grabs Weezing, and swipes him upward. (Think of the animation like lifting a dumbbell)
Back Air: Weezing swings back.
Up Air: Arbok bites upward, then Weezing headbutts upward. (This is automatic; you don’t need to press the attack again to make Weezing headbutt)
Down Air: Arbok coils, then Weezing tackles Arbok to send him falling fast. Anyone who makes contact with Arbok is damaged.
Grab: Arbok grabs with his tail. (Does NOT coil around. Just grabs.) (Think of it like when Arbok grabbed a Fearow’s beak in the anime.)
Pummel: Weezing breathes in opponent’s face. Seems pointless, right? Remember that Weezing is filled with noxious fumes…
Forward Throw: Arbok slams opponent into the ground in front of it.
Up Throw: Arbok tosses opponent up, then Weezing slams them upward.
Back Throw: Arbok swings opponent back and lets go, and Weezing uses Sludge to send them flying.
Down Throw: Arbok coils around the opponent, and uses Wrap, squeezing the opponent a bit, then let’s go.
Neutral Special: Poison Sting-Arbok shoots a spray of poison needles. These needles have the off chance of causing a Poison effect, where the opponent glows purple and takes non-flinching damage like a Flower for a limited time.
Forward Special: Poison Gas-Weezing shoots a cloud of gas. Works just like Hiruko’s Back-A attack in Naruto Clash of Ninja Revolution 3 (Gamecube controls).
Up Special: Gassed Off-Arbok grabs onto Weezing who blasts off upward using a gas plume.
Down Special: Tag Out-Arbok and Weezing are sent to their Poke Balls, and Jessie tosses Meowth where they were.
Final Smash: Deadly Combo-Arbok uses Glare, which affects anyone with in a set distance in a straight line (not that great of a distance…). The ones caught in the Glare are frozen in place, like during Ganondorf’s Final Smash, then Weezing flies towards the set area and uses Explosion while Arbok slithers away at a safe distance. If no one is caught in the Glare, the move is cancelled.

MEOWTH
Neutral Combo: Meowth does two claw swipes, then starts rapidly clawing in a slapfight style while cowering his face away in a comedic fashion.
Neutral Forward: Meowth kicks forward.
Dash Attack: Meowth pounces.
Neutral Up: Swipes twice upward, like a cat swatting at a piece of string directly above it.
Neutral Down: Swats like a cat grabbing at a piece of string being moved slowly away from it.
Forward Smash: Meowth uses Slash forward. Works the same as in Super Nuke Bros. Melee.
Up Smash: Meowth puts his paws on the ground and kicks both legs upward.
Down Smash: Meowth does the spilts.
Neutral Air: Meowth spreads his arms and legs out.
Forward Air: Meowth swings his tail forward. This attack is used in Super Nuke Bros. Melee.
Back Air: Meowth wags his tail back. Similar to Yoshi.
Up Air: Claps claws together. And yes, I mean CLAWS.
Down Air: Meowth kicks his legs like riding a bicycle. Same as Flapjack’s Down Air in Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion.
Grab: Meowth grabs with both paws, claws extended.
Pummel: Meowth bites the opponent.
Forward Throw: Uses Fury Swipes. Not a good throw for knockback, but it’s good for racking up damage.
Up Throw: SHORCLAWYUKEN! No seriously, he does a claw uppercut.
Back Throw: Meowth uses Iron Tail to slam opponent back. (Pikachu doesn’t use Iron Tail in Smash, so why shouldn’t Meowth?)
Down Throw: Meowth places opponent on the ground, then leaps and slams a claw down on them like his Air Down Special in Super Nuke Bros. Melee.
Neutral Special: Pay Day-Meowth tosses coins forward as long as the button is pressed. (I know Meowth can’t use Pay Day in the anime, but this is more based on the games. This is like Super Nuke Bros. Melee, but is different in that you can hold the button down to keep going, and it works like Brawl’s Pay Day.
Forward Special: Thief-Meowth lunges forward like Captain Falcon’s Raptor Boost, but only goes a little bit before falling flat on his face. If used and missed in midair, he isn’t put into Helpless Mode, but he can’t use the Thief again until he’s either hit or lands. If he makes contact, he latches on to his opponent, and kicks off of them like Captain Falcon’s Falcon Dive. If the opponent is holding an item, Meowth steals it for himself. This does not work for large items. Instead, he makes the opponent drop them. This is the same as Super Nuke Bros. Melee.
Up Special: False Swipe-Meowth rises while swiping up with a claw, then swings his tail up in the same way. The claw does minimal damage (as it’s the FALSE swipe), while the tail does good damage and knockback (as it’s the REAL swipe) like Ganondorf’s uppercut after Dark Dive. This is the same as Super Nuke Bros. Melee.
Down Special: Tag Out-Meowth rapidly (and comically) runs back to where Jessie and James are, and James pats his back. Jessie and James then send out Arbok and Weezing in the spot that Meowth was.
Final Smash: Night Slash-The move Meowth claimed to have learned in the anime, although never used, so we don’t know if he was bluffing or not. Anyways, it works a LOT different than the Pokemon games. First, the screen goes black, like Dimensional Cape, then you see slashes in different areas. As darkness is gone, Meowth is back where he was when the move started, and the screen is filled with dark energy claw slashes, like the Byakko in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Smash Up. They are hard to avoid, and touching one will be a grave mistake, as they have high damage and knockback capabilities. They are stationary.
(In order to see the Byakko, go here: http://tmntgame.us.ubi.com/# then click on About, then click on Ninja Powers, then click on Byakko. It shows a picture example of what I’m talking about.)

 

[Wario Bros.]

Happy Birthday to me!!!

As for a new Pokémon Trainer character, I think Red is enough and if there was any more they would not original at all, uncreative, and almost a poorly chosen action.

 

[Mypantisgone]

I'm loving that moveset,it keeps the "ice trainers" concept!
unevolved,like...Ash?

HAPP-f*ck it,it's too long and boring to make!
Happy Birthday,okay?

 

[Arcadenik]

Happy Birthday to me!!!

As for a new Pokémon Trainer character, I think Red is enough and if there was any more they would not original at all, uncreative, and almost a poorly chosen action.

Umm... at least they would be different.

Pokemon Trainer: and and

Team Rocket: & team and & team

Why cannot we play around with the ideas of existing gimmicks? Mix and match gimmicks to see which new combinations would fit best with certain characters. For example, we have Ice Climbers but we cannot switch between the climbers since they are both identical anyway. We also have Zelda / Sheik where we switch between a princess and a ninja with Down B. Brawl added Samus / Zero Suit Samus where they have a different method of switching characters via Final Smash. Brawl was going to have a Diddy & Dixie tag team where the two Kongs would be like Ice Climbers but they could switch places with Down B for different moves. Maybe we might see something like that in Smash 4 with Diddy & Dixie OR Dixie & Kiddy. Pokemon Trainer is basically like Zelda / Sheik but with a third transformation. I don't see what's the harm in having an Ice Climber-type tag team except you switch one tag team partners for another tag team partner via Down B while keeping the one in lead. That's where Team Rocket comes in.

And happy birthday.

 

[BirthNote]

Happy Birthday to me!!!

As for a new Pokémon Trainer character, I think Red is enough and if there was any more they would not original at all, uncreative, and almost a poorly chosen action.

A poorly chosen action maybe, but how bout a multi region lineup spanning gen 2-4? The chosen 3 wouldn't have similarites in type, evolution stage or region.

 

[Pichu Fan]

Omg roy and leaf are the DLC in the new fire emblem for 3ds! What sorcery is this?

 

[Big-Cat]

Pokemon discussion?

 

[Arcadenik]

Yes, because the only Pokemon we are allowed to endorse is Mewtwo. Every time someone discusses Zoroark, Victini, Meowth, anyone but Mewtwo... people complain about Pokemon discussions. Apparently we shouldn't bother discussing any other Pokemon who isn't Mewtwo.

EDIT: I am beginning to think that in order for anyone to be 100% satisfied with the Smash 4 roster, that person has to be NOT be a fan of Nintendo in the first place. If you don't care about F-Zero series, you are content with just Captain Falcon. If you don't know anything about the Mother series, you are content with just Ness and Lucas. If you never heard of Fire Emblem before, you wouldn't be upset if Marth and Krom were the only Fire Emblem characters - kinda like what happened in Melee when we first saw Marth and Roy, not sure how the Japanese fans felt about having Roy instead of someone more well-known like Sigurd. If you have always preferred playing on Sony systems and you decided to buy Wii U and Smash 4, you wouldn't give a hoot if Jigglypuff was cut. Must be why I really liked the Marvel vs. Capcom 3 roster.

 

[BirthNote]

So for DK, if you had to choose a type of stage for that series which would it be?

-A mine cart stage that scrolls sideways LIKE Big Blue/Mushroomy Kingdom (with its own innovations)
-A jungle stage like most of those seen in Smash but with DKCR elements
-A silhouette stage in which everyone has unique highlighted areas that make them easy to distinguish by color and shape.
-A factory themed level with elements from DKC, DK64, and DKCR
-A ship based stage from DKC2
-A swamp based stage from DKC2
-A bramble based stage from DKC2
-An interior level, like a cavern or castle
-Something from Jungle Beat (that's actually good, like Aerie fortress, Banshee Swamp, Magma Coliseum, etc)

 

[Arcadenik]

So for DK, if you had to choose a type of stage for that series which would it be?

-A mine cart stage that scrolls sideways LIKE Big Blue/Mushroomy Kingdom (with its own innovations)
-A jungle stage like most of those seen in Smash but with DKCR elements
-A silhouette stage in which everyone has unique highlighted areas that make them easy to distinguish by color and shape.
-A factory themed level with elements from DKC, DK64, and DKCR
-A ship based stage from DKC2
-A swamp based stage from DKC2
-A bramble based stage from DKC2
-An interior level, like a cavern or castle
-Something from Jungle Beat (that's actually good, like Aerie fortress, Banshee Swamp, Magma Coliseum, etc)

1. a new jungle stage like Kongo Jungle in Smash 64 and Melee (didn't really like Jungle Japes), complete with that Barrel Cannon under the stage but based on DKCR this time

2. a ship stage based on DKC2 except the ship sails through the first three worlds (Gangplank Galleon, Crocodile Cauldron, and Krem Quay) with each world affecting the water level and temperature

3. a new construction site stage like 75m in Brawl but it's based on the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series even though the hazards might be inspired by the factory stages in DKCR

 

[Lukingordex]

Yes, because the only Pokemon we are allowed to endorse is Mewtwo. Every time someone discusses Zoroark, Victini, Meowth, anyone but Mewtwo... people complain about Pokemon discussions. Apparently we shouldn't bother discussing any other Pokemon who isn't Mewtwo.

No love for Mewtwo!!
By: Lucario

 

[BirthNote]

EDIT: I am beginning to think that in order for anyone to be 100% satisfied with the Smash 4 roster, that person has to be NOT be a fan of Nintendo in the first place. If you don't care about F-Zero series, you are content with just Captain Falcon. If you don't know anything about the Mother series, you are content with just Ness and Lucas. If you never heard of Fire Emblem before, you wouldn't be upset if Marth and Krom were the only Fire Emblem characters - kinda like what happened in Melee when we first saw Marth and Roy, not sure how the Japanese fans felt about having Roy instead of someone more well-known like Sigurd. If you have always preferred playing on Sony systems and you decided to buy Wii U and Smash 4, you wouldn't give a hoot if Jigglypuff was cut. Must be why I really liked the Marvel vs. Capcom 3 roster.

I think a big part of the game relies on fandom, especially in terms of stages and music. Maybe that should apply to the most hardcore fans who are extremely hard to please and expect the world from Smash and seemingly won't tolerate an ounce less.

 

[Arcadenik]

I think a big part of the game relies on fandom, especially in terms of stages and music. Maybe that should apply to the most hardcore fans who are extremely hard to please and expect the world from Smash and seemingly won't tolerate an ounce less.

Yeah, that's how I am like with Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Pokemon, and Kid Icarus. They seem to be the franchises I care about the most in terms of characters and stages.

 

[Deleted member]

Umm... at least they would be different.

Pokemon Trainer: and and

Team Rocket: alone and & team

Fixed.

Oh, and happy birthday Wario Bros.!

 

[Arcadenik]

Either way... I just want to play as Meowth whether it's a standalone character like Pikachu or as a team with Arbok and Weezing. But still, I cannot help but dream about how much fun I would have if Team Rocket with Meowth, Arbok, and Weezing were actually in Smash. I know that Meowth or Team Rocket is probably unlikely but not impossible and that Mewtwo and a 5th gen Pokemon is probably more likely but not guaranteed.

Which Donkey Kong stages would you like to see? BirthNote asked a question... I answered but no one else answered.

 

[Deleted member]

I honestly don't care for stage speculation. Though I I had a gun pointed at my head to choose one, it'd be a minecart level, don't care which one.

 

[Hoots]

I think a big part of the game relies on fandom, especially in terms of stages and music. Maybe that should apply to the most hardcore fans who are extremely hard to please and expect the world from Smash and seemingly won't tolerate an ounce less.

Well I don't think Sakurai really gives two ****s about the fandoms of the games. At least with Donkey Kong, although he added Diddy and gave him a great moveset, the two stages he added to Brawl were Rumble Falls and 75m. Not only do these stages suck in their own right, NEITHER are from the DKC series, the games that the FANDOM wants to see represented. This is why I'm so worried about K. Rool's chances. Although he is universally wanted and is tremendously important to DKC and its fandom, I have a hunch Sakurai will be like, "He's old! Have some Tikis and no new rep! Trololo!"

I personally would like Gangplank Galleon sailing around DK Isle or Crocodile Isle. That would be so epic. Although a minecart stage would be acceptable.

 

[Deleted member]

Worst case scenario is we get Dixie and no K. Rool.
While I would be dissapointed at the absence of that lovable croc, I would personally be able to manage.