New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Diddy Kong]

They won't be a duo. Next.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Who the HELL said that Metal Sonic is a random character?

Oh, and Knuckles is the Piccolo of the Sonic series


I agree with Diddy, Liz ain't gettin in Smash, period. Just Chrome

 

[Xhampi]

I'm probably going to die for this but.....
Why do everyone think a new F-Zero rep in SSB4 is a shoe-in when we don't have have any F-Zero game since the Game boy Advance, weren't their best shot in melee or brawl, why is that likely now ?

Is that because Captain Falcon is in smash bros since 64 ?
Is that because Samurai Goroh is an assist trophy in Brawl ?
Is that because there is a F-Zero game in the ambassador programm ?
Is that because everyone love the F-Zero series ?
Isn't the F-Zero series in the same position that the Yoshi series ?

 

[Metal Overlord]

I don't think anyone thinks a second F-Zero rep is a SHOE-IN (god, I hate that word), but it's definitely ideal. Samurai Goroh is not only a highly requested character, but Sakurai's been cockteasing us with the possibility of finally becoming playable ever since the Melee intro. And like I said, if Star Fox can get 3 characters (2 of them being semi-clones and even one of them being a flat out clone at one point), F-Zero, a series that's been represented with a lone playable character since 64 can get 2 characters. He's slowly moved up the ladder (appearing in Melee, then becoming an attacking AT in Brawl) so now may very well be the time (his best time) for him to finally get in along with Ridley as the second F-Zero and Metroid reps, respectively.

IF we do get a second F-Zero rep, BTW, it'll almost undoubtedly be Samurai Goroh. No one else has a chance at all really, except MAYBE Black Shadow, but putting in Black Shadow over Goroh is like putting in Medusa over Palutena or Dark Samus over Ridley, just really unlikely, IMO. In the case of Goroh vs Black Shadow, if you wanna play the "representation" game, then Goroh would win because he's one of the original four F-Zero pilots, and also he's probably the most well-known F-Zero character other than the Captain himself. At that, he's also the self-proclaimed rival of Captain Falcon, so it would make a lot of sense to put him in Smash as a rival to Captain Falcon. Black Shadow maybe the closest thing the series has to a recurring, major villain, but that still doesn't really compare to what Goroh has on him overall.

So, with that said, while an F-Zero newcomer in Smash 4 isn't GUARANTEED by any means, it could definitely happen

 

[Diddy Kong]

Samurai Goroh is not only a highly requested character, but Sakurai's been cockteasing us with the possibility of finally becoming playable ever since the Melee intro. And like I said, if Star Fox can get 3 characters (2 of them being semi-clones and even one of them being a flat out clone at one point), F-Zero, a series that's been represented with a lone playable character since 64 can get 2 characters. He's slowly moved up the ladder (appearing in Melee, then becoming an attacking AT in Brawl) so now may very well be the time (his best time) for him to finally get in along with Ridley as the second F-Zero and Metroid reps, respectively

Some of us wouldn't even mind a second Metroid newcomer!

Spoiler

Remember me?

 

[Metal Overlord]

Dark Samus

EDIT: I love Metroid Prime's music so much
This too

 

[Diddy Kong]

He's dark yeah, but not Samus.

 

[Oasis_S]

Dark Useless then.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Wait, so we're posting rosters again?
Heres an interesting one.
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Baby Bros - This may sound horrible to you and me, but just try to think like Sakurai for a moment and unfortunately it begins to make sense. They have appeared in Yoshi's Island, Mario&Luigiartners in Time, and nearly every Mario Party/Sports game released. They would also have a unique moveset: taking turns attacking, using hammers and shells, crying, etc.
Waluigi - Yeah, haters, we know what you think about him. But he was an assist trophy in Brawl, something Bowser Jr and Toad weren't. Uses his sports abilities and wacky-evil powers.
King K. Rool - No arguments allowed.
Ghirahim - One time character or not, with Link/Zelda/Ganondorf drawing their designs from the Wii U LoZ, Ghirahim will rep Skyward Sword, Zelda's 25th anniversary masterpiece. Uses sword and dark magic.
Sabure Prince - My pick for retro revival character. Although For the Frog the Bell Tolls was japan-only, it has recently gained some attention through a fan translation. The prince's popularity is growing world-wide and hopefully Sakurai represents this great little game. Transforms into Frog and Snake forms to change his moveset and playstyle.
Ridley - No arguments allowed.
Eggplant Wizard - Personal pick. Hades is lol2big, Medusa and Palutena are both dieties and Magnus just isn't important enough. Eggplant Wizard has been in all 3 games and is an iconic character, moreso than his godly contenders. Uses his eggplant magic along with his staff.
Dillon - His game came out, and most people loved it. It was unique and will probably gain a proper sequel in the future. New IP is go. Utilizes rolling moves along with his sharp claws.
Little Mac - Go arguments allowed. He really should have been in the original Smash Bros. Quick boxer with many counters and punches.
King Hippo - Punch Out is easily deserving of 2 reps and King Hippo could probably rep it fine even without Mac, being more of a cultural icon with extra boosted popularity from Captain N. True heavyweight.
Slippy - A majority of the fanbase hates Krystal and believes that her appearance has ruined the series altogether. I wouldn't mind a unique staffwielding moveset, but I feel that if Starfox gets another rep, it will be Slippy. Uses different technologies opposed to blasters and such.
Shulk - I hope no one seriously questions this. Best jrpg this generation, and probably one of Nintendo's best rpg's period. If you hate it, you just haven't played it. Uses the Monado as a weapon and its abilities to affect the ebb and flow of battle.
Mewtwo - All signs point to his return. He wasn't "cut" in the first place, but was merely unfinished. With 5th gen's focus on him (signature move and theme decks based on him) he has became relevant again. Nothing stopping him from making a return.
Kyurem - Repping the 5th gen and the first generation to ever receive a direct sequel in Black and White 2. Can transform between his Reshiram and Zekrom forms to change his moveset and playstyle.
Chrome & Liz - Repping the newest Fire Emblem game. Chrome does the A moves, while Liz does the Special Moves. Both share a single hurtbox between them and act as one opponent as they stand by eachothers side. Chrome borrows some of Ike's attacks, where Liz supplies cleric special moves.
Isaac - The Goldensun series is deserving of a rep, and Isaac reps all 3 games. Although Felix and Matthew are main characters in their respective games, Isaac is a unarguably important figure in all 3 games. Uses Earth psynergy and might not even use his sword.
Megaman - Most requested and deserving 3rd party character. Capcom has really let the fans down and hopefully they give Megaman one last chance to show himself. Uses his buster cannon and power-weapons gained from fallen opponents.
Layton - Exclusive and loyal to the Nintendo DS, the Professor Layton series deserves representation. It has stood as a backbone for the handheld since it's release and continues to do so into the 3DS's lifetime. Nintendo publishes the games overseas and the creator himself has said he would like to see Layton in SSB. Uses his quick witted inventions, mindboggling traps and his swift swordarm.
Mii - Nintendo's mascot is you. Miis have went from simple avatars to become something like a cultural icon. They have appeared in many games on the Wii, 3DS and soon-to-be Wii U and will probably continue to appear. Here, they fight using sports equipment and other tools ranging from Bowling Balls to Hang-gliders.
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First of all, I don't see the Baby Bros. happening, and you've forgotten about the likes of Bowser Jr. and/or Toad.

Waluigi first needs to get a mainstream appearance before even being considered. Either that or wait until Bowser Jr. and Toad get their chance to shine.

You pretty much know where I stand with Ghirahim. I would say

Spoiler

Impa

, but you know Diddy and his

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Impa

shenanigans.

Eggplant Wizard is interesting, but I'd rather see him play a mid-boss role or an Assist Trophy. Palutena would be a better option, in my personal option.

Dillon, it's way too early to consider him as a playable. At least give him a chance to grow before suggesting him; a sequel would help.

Slippy would be a humorous input, though I'd go with Leon at this point.

I don't know why Kyurem is on there. It looks more like it's best suited as a boss. Anyway, Zoroark would seem more fitting.

F-Zero really needs some attention. There's Black Shadow and Samurai Goroh to think about.

I'm still unsure about Chrome right now, but pairing him with another character would be going too far.

Sin and Punishment needs some attention, so I'd say swap King Hippo with Saki.

In terms of the 3rd parties, I'm not very familiar with Layton, probably because I don't play his games.

Just some things to keep in mind.

 

[Baskerville]

Some of us wouldn't even mind a second Metroid newcomer!

Spoiler

Remember me?

Fixed for great justice.

 

[vicgur]

Dark Samus

Oh, dear God.
I laughed so hard at that!

 

[Metal Overlord]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ As much as I would like to agree you, Falchion, Diddy said that he wanted Anthony as a second Metroid newcomer, not character. Meaning that he already had Ridley in mind as the first Metroid newcomer when he said that. Just saiyan

 

[Oasis_S]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ As much as I would like to agree you, Falchion, Diddy said that he wanted Anthony as a second Metroid newcomer, not character. Meaning that he already had Ridley in mind as the first Metroid newcomer when he said that. Just saiyan

Shut up, Metal.

Ridley is so big he'll take up the first and second Metroid newcomer spots.

 

[Conviction]

And then we all moved on.

I would really like to see more shieldstun this time around so defense won't be so overpowered. Also if your character is quick enough or has a lot of range, that character should have the ability to do combos but it be tight framing for the fast character and tight spacing for the ranged character.

Imagine it, you're Sonic and someone's sheild is about only 1/4 there and then you pulled off this awesome sheild breaker combo to be rewarded by getting the free charged smash or combo set-up etc. Now of course we have to make it fair for the person sheilding, if the person doesn't exactly space well enough or isn't fast enough you just grab them/Attack Out of Shield/or get the **** out of there (roll,spotdodge,jump out of sheild) and then if you are getting sheild combo'd you should be able to Sheild DI. What I mean by shield DI is when you get hit while sheilding inside of that sheild stun you can hit the analog stick and your character will shift in the direction you hit a little while sheilding. So if you are more on point with your Shield DI than the person is with their spacing, you can eventually cause them to whiff their attack and you can punish them. Thus shifting the games momentum from you being on the defense onto the offense.

This would give offense and defense a fresh and exciting feeling.

 

[Aurane]

Ridley>Dark Samus>Anthony

Meh.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Am I the only one who liked the Brawl air dodge system a little better than the Melee one? Mainly because I didn't like how in Melee it would put you in helpless mode

 

[Aurane]

Am I the only one who liked the Brawl air dodge system a little better than the Melee one? Mainly because I didn't like how in Melee it would put you in helpless mode

Definatly not the only one. I hated the Air Dodge System of Melee.

Also, new banner for sig. Any thoughts?

 

[Oasis_S]

Am I the only one who liked the Brawl air dodge system a little better than the Melee one? Mainly because I didn't like how in Melee it would put you in helpless mode

Brawl is the better game so of course it has the better air dodge system.

 

[Aurane]

Brawl is the better game so of course it has the better air dodge system.

Quoted for truth.

 

[Conviction]

If you are talking about airdodges only then neither one is better than the other.

Melee could leave you in a helpless state, and if you do it too early or too late in Brawl you might as well be in the helpless state.

I guess in a casual sense, Brawl's would be better though. Hmmmm

@Asage: It's nice.

 

[Aurane]

If you are talking about airdodges only then neither one is better than the other.

Melee could leave you in a helpless state, and if you do it too early or too late in Brawl you might as well be in the helpless state.

I guess in a casual sense, Brawl's would be better though. Hmmmm

@Asage: It's nice.

*Stares at computer, then walks away, giving you a thumbs up for the criticing on the banner*

 

[Conviction]

I guess I look at it from a completely different angle.

Being forced to Airdodge sucks, you lose all your options expect for drifting in the air. Most of the time you'll only get 1 AD out in Brawl while in the air, but because how long they last people can frame trap you, take more stage control, or just punish your landing since whenever you land from an airdodge it registers as a hard landing. Soft landings (non-fastfell landings) has 2 frames of cool-down, hard landings have 4 frames.

 

[Aurane]

I guess I look at it from a completely different angle.

Being forced to Airdodge sucks, you lose all your options expect for drifting in the air. Most of the time you'll only get 1 AD out in Brawl while in the air, but because how long they last people can frame trap you, take more stage control, or just punish your landing since whenever you land from an airdodge it registers as a hard landing. Soft landings (non-fastfell landings) has 2 frames of cool-down, hard landings have 4 frames.

It's just how you worded it at first that caught me, but I see what you're saying. However, Lucario's (A) move can be used as a push rather his airdodge because he has no stall time on fall. I believe this is the same with Fox's (A), too. Not sure, however.

Just an example of when you can just NOT use the Air Dodge.

 

[Baskerville]

Please bring back Melee's teather recoveries!
Nice sig Asage. =3

 

[Conviction]

Oh of course, characters that have moves they can use instead of their AD are usually are the ones that have a better time landing.

Kirby/DDD/Mario's Bair, etc. (too long of a list to go through) characters like Marth or Snake have a terrible time landing usually have to airdodge.

I thought we were only comparing Airdodges not the other options that come with the situation.

@Above: We could just always combine Brawl's and Melee's, I never understood why it wasn't like that in the first place or at least in Brawl.

 

[Aurane]

Oh of course, characters that have moves they can use instead of their AD are usually are the ones that have a better time landing.

Kirby/DDD/Mario's Bair, etc. (too long of a list to go through) characters like Marth or Snake have a terrible time landing usually have to airdodge.

I thought we were only comparing Airdodges not the other options that come with the situation.

@Above: We could just always combine Brawl's and Melee's, I never understood why it wasn't like that in the first place or at least in Brawl.

Well, technically, Air Dodge SHOULD be avoided, as it sucks, like you said it does. But yes, Snake and Marth need it so that characters like Lucario [Example: Lucario= (A) air x 2 (A) Combo x (B)> Force palm] don't wreck them with combo tech.

I don't care what ya'll say. I know a combo as hitting successfully without spam. Characters like Lucario and Sonic are comboteers.

 

[Conviction]

Hmmm....that move input selection shouldn't work as a combo...

Should I play brawl for 3 matches really quick??

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I hate nothing being custom in Brawl.

Okay let's play a best of 3 Asage.

 

[Aurane]

Hmmm....that move input selection shouldn't work as a combo...

Should I play brawl for 3 matches really quick??

>______________>

<______________<

I hate nothing being custom in Brawl.

Okay let's play a best of 3 Asage.

No, because of two reasons:

1). Wifi. Lag. No combos.
2). I do not have my Wii as of now.

I'll see if I can record a match with my friend/put it on here, though I still don't know how to. Here's how I perform it however:

Once near the ground in front of the opponent with full health or minor dmg, I use (A). Then I perform an (A) combo twice, then I use (B)> to avoid the kick and doing either throw dmg or push from the aura from the (B)>.

EDIT: Well, I usually did that with DDD or Bowser, so weight might play a role >_>

 

[Conviction]

Well my point is there aren't really combos in Brawl. At all.

I see what you mean, but do your friends know what DI is by any chance?

 

[Aurane]

Well my point is there aren't really combos in Brawl. At all.

I see what you mean, but do your friends know what DI is by any chance?

Like I said, the comboing I know is hitting successfully.
DI? Probably not cause we're all casuals who don't like Tacket. LOL

 

[Conviction]

Not exactly sure what Tacket is but okay. Might as well move on because this isn't going anywhere.

AH, okay your defintion is what was throwing me off. I understand what you mean now XD

 

[Aurane]

Not exactly sure what Tacket is but okay. Might as well move on because this isn't going anywhere.

AH, okay your defintion is what was throwing me off. I understand what you mean now XD

Tacket's a person here in Smashboards. He was being a prick when I played him as a casual. He beat me, and he got all pissed at me. His excuse "I have low tolerance for casuals". LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

 

[Conviction]

...I'm sorry you had to deal with one of those people.

It happens though, in my scene we don't have anyone like that, or at least we have low tolerance for people like that.

 

[Aurane]

...I'm sorry you had to deal with one of those people.

It happens though

Eh, I do have it on my calander, actually. It was WAY too funny.

Ya'll competiteers need to relax.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Lol, I remember Tacket. He used to think Slippy and Peppy were like the most likely Star Fox characters ever

 

[Conviction]

I haven't met too many of them. Most of the people who look down on casuals are the ones that are bad in the competitive scene haha. It's embarassing either way. We want to get into big things like MLG but the few that are like that keep us from getting any sponsorship.

That doesn't mean we don't have any sponsorship though

EDIT: I like the song Metal, but what was the point? LOL

 

[Metal Overlord]

The point? I can post whatever song I here I want to in that format without being considered off topic

/loopholesftw

 

[Conviction]

This is what you get because it was in the related videos...

I hate you.

 

[Metal Overlord]

That was a related video? Ewww lol

OT: Uhhhhhhhhhhhh... we rarely ever talk about Classic Mode in here, any way y'all can think we can improve it?

 

[Conviction]

Yeah, smart move because you look like Goku. Lol