New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Deleted member]

I think the most "important games" are still the first 3 Sonic the Hedgehog games (Sonic 1-3) plus Sonic and Knuckles.

Also, Knuckles has seniority over all Sonic characters that aren't Tails or Dr. Eggman. And don't pull out random characters like the Chaotix, they don't count.

Mighty and Ray.
Debuted before Knuckles.
EDIT: Not Tails.

 

[Johnknight1]

Again, they're minor characters. They don't count.

 

[Deleted member]

Ok, then, Metal Sonic.
And Amy for that matter.

 

[Lukingordex]

Ok, then, Metal Sonic.

Random character again...

Amy too

 

[Deleted member]

Random character again...

How in the **** is Metal Sonic RANDOM?

So, the order is:
1. Sonic and Eggman
2. Tails
3. Amy and Metal Sonic
4. Knuckles

 

[Johnknight1]

Amy Rose and Metal Sonic are major characters.

However, Knuckles was playable in a main Sonic game before them, and he's always been Sonic's left hand man (Tails gets the right side).

Amy Rose is very important though. I forget what game she debuted in though!

It also slipped my mind that Sonic CD came out before Sonic 3.

 

[Conviction]

Metal Sonic being a random.

I've heard everything tonight. Good show

 

[Lukingordex]

At least any Sonic character who is not Sonic,for entering a Smash bros game,is a random

But Metal Sonic can be a boss of the story mode,why not?

 

[Johnknight1]

Metal Sonic seems best fit as a boss or enemy. Maybe a Sonic alternate outfit, since he is awesome.

Also, this video is the greatest distraction of all-time!

 

[Deleted member]

At least any Sonic character who is not Sonic,for entering a Smash bros game,is a random to me

Fixed.

There is no rule against a 2nd character being in Smash, although the three biggest contenders are Tails, Eggman, and Shadow.
Knuckles ain't getting in before Tails.
EDIT: For those who really want Knuckles, pray that Sega decides that representing Team Sonic is still important and they make Sakurai add both Tails and Knuckles.

 

[vicgur]

Actually my soul is already free by mother 1,2,3,Yoshi´s Island,Mario games and Crash Bandicoot.

I was talking about your soul getting free from all this hatred.

Pit is cool. Playing KI:U just made me love him even more.

 

[Johnknight1]

No, I think Knuckles is very possible if SEGA is indeed bought out by Nintendo and becomes a Nintendo 1st or 2nd party.

Of course, Tails is always a possible Smash Bros. newcomer, in part because of the EGM 2004 April Fool's Day joke where he and Sonic were said to be hidden characters in Melee. That and Tails is popular and important to the Sonic franchise.

 

[Deleted member]

If Sega is bought out, then I can see Knuckles. But not before Tails still.

But only the co-creator of the series joined Nintendo, and he doesn't own the rights to the series.

EDIT: Tails is the Luigi. Knuckles is the....hmm...I don't really know who to compare him to...

 

[Lukingordex]

I like Shadow.

 

[vicgur]

If Tails is playable, I want ****in' Gray Fox.

Heck, even Sakurai liked the idea of having him playable...

 

[Conviction]

Not the Sega bought out by Nintendo thing again.....................

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God no.

 

[Johnknight1]

If Sega is bought out, then I can see Knuckles. But not before Tails still.

But only the co-creator of the series joined Nintendo, and he doesn't own the rights to the series.

Yeah, but it is still possible. It seems like it could happen, given how the two have so many crossover games with each other these days.

EDIT: Tails is the Luigi. Knuckles is the....hmm...I don't really know who to compare him to...

Knuckles is the uhh... Wario of the Sonic series=???

Tails is definitely the #2 Sonic character, and the guy after Sonic, hands down. Anyone who debates otherwise is foolish.

Although you could make a good argument Dr. Eggman may get in as a playable character over Tails

If Tails is playable, I want ****in' Gray Fox.

Heck, even Sakurai liked the idea of having him playable...

Sakurai wants everyone playable. That's why so many people like him!

Also, is it me, or have we all forgotten to watch his Twitter account=???

 

[Deleted member]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I need to spam it with Shake King.

 

[Johnknight1]

Shh... spam with Ridley and Mega Mega Mega Mega MANNNN instead!

 

[Deleted member]

But of course. Why wouldn't I spam Meta Ridley and Bad Box Art Mega Man along with Shake King? Well, at least on the BBAMM part.

 

[Johnknight1]

No, just no to bad box art Mega Man.

As for Meta Ridley, that isn't a terrible idea.

Also, most of Sakurai's twitter revolves around his daily life and him answering questions and talking about Kid Icarus: Uprising and I think a Famitsu article he wrote. I think Sakurai still writes a weekly/monthly article for Famitsu. He used to back pre-Brawl, but stopped while Brawl was in development I think...

 

[Lukingordex]

Meta Ridley lol

 

[Johnknight1]

Ironically Sakurai is taking the same boxing classes as one of my friends and a member of the 49ers I am following (who is an All-Pro offensive linemen, and weighs about 3 times as much Sakurai, and probably is 2 feet taller, too!). Also, Sakurai keeps mentioning some form of "offense" beating "defense" in Kid Icarus: Uprising.

I hope that is how the next smash bros. work, as long as offense doesn't make defense worthless!

Edit: Sakurai tweets about half a dozen to two dozens times a day!

 

[Lukingordex]

The thread stopped?

 

[Johnknight1]

The thread stopped?

I have no clue why! I got some fairly interesting tweets by Sakurai...

Business are becoming settled, when I want to reaffirm how fun the game is born.

I wore the music of "Sumabura X" for now you are writing a proposal of "new Sumabura", and remember. Looking out suddenly when you are suffering from the "Song of Storms" Zelda, was falling at an angle of 60 degrees about the rain.

Even official, sounds like description of the army has begun ... Nachure and natural.

Also, Sakurai references to Amazon.com A LOT!!! He seems like a Amazon junkie.

 

[vicgur]

Meh, it's not like people always have something to say.

Anyway, I'm creating a stage concept, I might show you guys later.
It might take some time, though, because I'm actually making .gifs to show my ideas.
What can I say? I'm a perfectionist.

EDIT: Oh, he erased his post[is it possible?].
EDIT2: Nope, it's there. Just my imagination.

 

[Lukingordex]

Good bye guys,I need to go now.

OMG it´s already 3:00 AM here!!!

 

[Berserker.]

No, just no to bad box art Mega Man.

No to you saying no to BBAMM

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Again, he didn't say anything about the character not being able to appear, he was talking about playable characters in general.
A similar situation happened with Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion. In the original 3DS release, Johnny Bravo was an Assist character because of a liscensing issue in regards of him being playable. While he was unavailable to be playable, he still got in the game somehow. In the updated re-release for Wii, 360, and PS3, Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion XL, the issues have been cleared and Johnny Bravo became playable.
Now remember that Starfy is a 2nd Party character partially owned by TOSE. He is still a Nintendo character, but negotiations with TOSE have to be done. And since there are signs that Starfy was initially planned as a character, it is very likely he was a case like Johnny Bravo; denied as a character, but allowed as an Assist.

Your findings mean nothing as it's nothing more but crackpot theory as you said.
Likewise, I have a crackpot theory about Dr. Mario being included in Brawl right after Mewtwo and Roy that, while just as asinine as your Geno theory, seems more reasonable and less straw-grasping.
I'm sure you don't care, so I won't bother sharing it.

Spoiler

I swear, the lengths Geno fanboys will go through to try to justify why he is more likely than he is...

And that's all I have to say about that. Don't bother continuing this convo.

No one think he's super likely. We just want to make our voices loud enough that Sakurai can hear us.

Maybe the fans themselves can affect something.

 

[Llumys]

Would this be so ridiculous?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Is that your predicted roster or wanted roster?

Because saying "A female or a villain" makes me believe you aren't sincere about the choice

 

[Llumys]

Predicted? Nah. Sakurai's as unpredictable as tripping.
Wanted? Sure.

And I am sincere. I think the series deserves a female and/or villain character in the roster. I may not know much about Fire Emblem, but its popularity alone made that choice seem pretty good to me.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Predicted? Nah. Sakurai's as unpredictable as tripping.
Wanted? Sure.

And I am sincere. I think the series deserves a female and/or villain character in the roster. I may not know much about Fire Emblem, but its popularity alone made that choice seem pretty good to me.

Seems to me you aren't thinking for yourself on this one

 

[Johnknight1]

Predicted? Nah. Sakurai's as unpredictable as tripping.
Wanted? Sure.

And I am sincere. I think the series deserves a female and/or villain character in the roster. I may not know much about Fire Emblem, but its popularity alone made that choice seem pretty good to me.

If you're looking for a female character, Dixie Kong, Paletuna, and Krystal seem to be it. Maybe Jill Dozer or Lip too, but that is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Shorts]

Fire Emblem's choice followings lately have been:

Roy and Krom (The characters most would bet on)

Lyn, Micaiah, Caeda, Black Knight, Hector (Popular other characters most want but wouldnt bet on)

 

[AetherEch0s]

Wait, so we're posting rosters again?
Heres an interesting one.
[COLLAPSE="roster"]

Baby Bros - This may sound horrible to you and me, but just try to think like Sakurai for a moment and unfortunately it begins to make sense. They have appeared in Yoshi's Island, Mario&Luigiartners in Time, and nearly every Mario Party/Sports game released. They would also have a unique moveset: taking turns attacking, using hammers and shells, crying, etc.
Waluigi - Yeah, haters, we know what you think about him. But he was an assist trophy in Brawl, something Bowser Jr and Toad weren't. Uses his sports abilities and wacky-evil powers.
King K. Rool - No arguments allowed.
Ghirahim - One time character or not, with Link/Zelda/Ganondorf drawing their designs from the Wii U LoZ, Ghirahim will rep Skyward Sword, Zelda's 25th anniversary masterpiece. Uses sword and dark magic.
Sabure Prince - My pick for retro revival character. Although For the Frog the Bell Tolls was japan-only, it has recently gained some attention through a fan translation. The prince's popularity is growing world-wide and hopefully Sakurai represents this great little game. Transforms into Frog and Snake forms to change his moveset and playstyle.
Ridley - No arguments allowed.
Eggplant Wizard - Personal pick. Hades is lol2big, Medusa and Palutena are both dieties and Magnus just isn't important enough. Eggplant Wizard has been in all 3 games and is an iconic character, moreso than his godly contenders. Uses his eggplant magic along with his staff.
Dillon - His game came out, and most people loved it. It was unique and will probably gain a proper sequel in the future. New IP is go. Utilizes rolling moves along with his sharp claws.
Little Mac - Go arguments allowed. He really should have been in the original Smash Bros. Quick boxer with many counters and punches.
King Hippo - Punch Out is easily deserving of 2 reps and King Hippo could probably rep it fine even without Mac, being more of a cultural icon with extra boosted popularity from Captain N. True heavyweight.
Slippy - A majority of the fanbase hates Krystal and believes that her appearance has ruined the series altogether. I wouldn't mind a unique staffwielding moveset, but I feel that if Starfox gets another rep, it will be Slippy. Uses different technologies opposed to blasters and such.
Shulk - I hope no one seriously questions this. Best jrpg this generation, and probably one of Nintendo's best rpg's period. If you hate it, you just haven't played it. Uses the Monado as a weapon and its abilities to affect the ebb and flow of battle.
Mewtwo - All signs point to his return. He wasn't "cut" in the first place, but was merely unfinished. With 5th gen's focus on him (signature move and theme decks based on him) he has became relevant again. Nothing stopping him from making a return.
Kyurem - Repping the 5th gen and the first generation to ever receive a direct sequel in Black and White 2. Can transform between his Reshiram and Zekrom forms to change his moveset and playstyle.
Chrome & Liz - Repping the newest Fire Emblem game. Chrome does the A moves, while Liz does the Special Moves. Both share a single hurtbox between them and act as one opponent as they stand by eachothers side. Chrome borrows some of Ike's attacks, where Liz supplies cleric special moves.
Isaac - The Goldensun series is deserving of a rep, and Isaac reps all 3 games. Although Felix and Matthew are main characters in their respective games, Isaac is a unarguably important figure in all 3 games. Uses Earth psynergy and might not even use his sword.
Megaman - Most requested and deserving 3rd party character. Capcom has really let the fans down and hopefully they give Megaman one last chance to show himself. Uses his buster cannon and power-weapons gained from fallen opponents.
Layton - Exclusive and loyal to the Nintendo DS, the Professor Layton series deserves representation. It has stood as a backbone for the handheld since it's release and continues to do so into the 3DS's lifetime. Nintendo publishes the games overseas and the creator himself has said he would like to see Layton in SSB. Uses his quick witted inventions, mindboggling traps and his swift swordarm.
Mii - Nintendo's mascot is you. Miis have went from simple avatars to become something like a cultural icon. They have appeared in many games on the Wii, 3DS and soon-to-be Wii U and will probably continue to appear. Here, they fight using sports equipment and other tools ranging from Bowling Balls to Hang-gliders.
[/COLLAPSE]

 

[Baskerville]

I'm not sure how I feel about Krom & Liz as a team...

 

[Johnknight1]

Liz ain't making it. It's Marth, Ike, Roy, Krom, or a new Fire Emblem character.

As for that roster, the Baby Mario Bros. is an original pick, and I kind of like it.

However, King Hippo, the Eggplant Wizard, Liz, Ghirahim (another one hit wonder; his chances at being playable are like the chances that the band Survivor [who made that "Eye of the Tiger" song] get a Rock Band game of their own), Slippy, and Professor Layton have no chance.

I don't like the chances Waluigi, Dillon, Princess Sable, Shulk, Kyurem have at being playable at all. I also think Princess Sable is the only real original pick out of any of them. I think with Kyurem if you wanted a random Pokémon, go Genesect (I'm not huge on him, but I don't hate him) or a popular yet overlooked Pokémon.

Also Ike being cut for Liz is a hard scenario to imagine, especially since he is easily one of the most popular Brawl newcomers, if not the most popular (behind Sonic).

Dixie Kong not making it over Liz is also an odd choice.

Overall I like some of the original choices of characters we can assume have "low chances" of being playable (Princess Sable, Dillon, Baby Mario Bros.), but there are too many overused "low chances" choices (Shulk [I hear it a lot, although I like the choice], Waluigi [kind of a bland character], Professor Layton). I also think having King Hippo (just one of many bosses), Slippy (the least popular original Star Fox member with few fans), and the Eggplant Wizard (Paletuna trumps him, and he's just another enemy in the series) as choices hurt my opinion of this roster.

I like the flashes of originality in your roster Aether, but you got so many wild choices. It's hard to make a roster that is both daring and reasonable, and I think that is ultimately where you ran into trouble. Also, I would like to add the roster is a few characters too big (maybe 2 or 3; 5 at the most).

I think characters like a Wart, Cranky Kong, Kamek, *insert fairly popular Pokémon that is rarely discussed as a playable character in smash here*, Dr. Eggman, Takamaru, Muddy Mole *waits for Opossum*, Excite Biker, *insert a retro character that is popular but overlooked*, or Pac-Man would have really spiced up your roster.

I also think you should avoid such one shot wonders at Ghirahim. If this "WTF?"-based reaction roster is to be based around logic, I think such changes would really help it. It could also fuel more debates over "what is deserving?" "what should a smash brothers newcomer look like?" "what is art?" "what overlooked character am I ignoring or forgetting?"

By the way, anyone I didn't comment on you can assume I agree with you on that choice.

 

[Shorts]

That roster IS interesting, and also never happening. I don't mind A FEW OUT THERE PICKS, but that roster kind of just is purposely picking bad characters.

Baby Bros > Toad and Junior
Slippy > Krystal
Waluigi PERIOD, and being associated with Wario > Syrup Mona
Kyurem (Would be interesting) > Real choices
King Hippo > Saki
Eggplant Wizard > Palutena and Medusa
Dillon Period

I can take Sable, and Ghirahim, but the above choices, they're.... terrible, and not happening.

Also, I think Liz and Krom being on a team, IF PROVEN TO MAKE SENSE IN-GAME WISE, could be interesting... but iunno much about that series.


I love how you say "Yeah haters, suck it" about Waluigi, a dreadful, and unlikely choice, but ring Krystal out, an ACTUAL contender, for being hated. That's silly.

 

[Aaven]

Liz and Krom would be awesome as a team, it would be a mixture of Ike and Marth, but with certain spells of sorts, making one very unique character as the only Fire Emblem representative with long-range spells or, really, any spells at all.

I think it could work.