New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Pieman0920]

Okay okay, maybe its isn't my place to say that you can't come up with an opinion on something that you haven't played as long as you're informed, but honestly you're not really fully informed until you have actually played a game. Especially a game like Uprising since its meant to be played multiple times and has a lot of content you can easily miss. (Heck, I'm still not sure if I've seen all of Thanatos' forms, and I know I missed a lot of dialogue) And you can miss it even easier in videos. I mean, do gameplay videos even show

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the Viridi menus?

And its even more important for Smash seeing as this is a Sakurai game, and there's loads of mechanics and similarities and expansions on Smash's concepts that again can't be fully understood unless you're actually playing the game.

But seriously though, even if you're only looking at the game through videos, rather than playing it, it should be sort of clear that Magnus doesn't really have enough going for him. The cast is surprisingly large, and they almost all

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sorry Cragolanche

have fun personalities, because, hey, this is pretty much the second coming of Star Fox 64. To that end there's a lot of interesting characters, and since its such a small series, there's a reasonable shot it may stay at one character let alone get to 2 or 3. But when you consider roles, Magnus isn't at the top. He's like 6th or 7th from a story perspective, and like...I dunno less from a interesting gameplay mechanic perspective, but even if you factor in the fact that he's

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playable

that still wouldn't really bump him into second if you're only making judgements based by that.

EDIT: In regards to Fire Emblem, I don't think it can make it past three. Melee got two because of clones. Brawl didn't get 3, it got 2. Just because Roy was planned at some point may not even mean anything. He really could have been out and out replaced by Ike. He could have been cut for time and there may have been an intention for 3. But going for 4 seems too much for a series that isn't that popular. But who knows. Seems Nintendo is pushing FE13 to be something special, and if Chrono's not skewing things/Sakurai doesn't make a dumb cut, then there could be 4.....but I just don't think that's likely.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Going off now, toodles- (-l,l-)^

John:

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Viridi please, again.

 

[Johnknight1]

So I take it none of you who have never played the game in which a character has been playable can talk about them, eh=???

I guess now I'm probably one of the few people who can talk about Roy then, eh=??? Or that none of us can talk about Krom!

 

[Pieman0920]

So I take it none of you who have never played the game in which a character has been playable can talk about them, eh=???

I guess now I'm probably one of the few people who can talk about Roy then, eh=??? Or that none of us can talk about Krom!

None of us should really think in absolutes about Krom's inclusion.

But most people in here have played a game with Roy in it.

 

[Johnknight1]

Yes, but Melee doesn't reflect how Roy is at all in Sword of the Seals (FE6). He uses stab attacks almost exclusively (which Ike and Marth rarely use), and has a certain attitude and style to him that you don't see in other Fire Emblem characters (including his father).

 

[Metal Overlord]

Who cares if Fire Emblem isn't that popular

 

[Johnknight1]

^^^
People who only care about sales.

Also, Impa supporters...

 

[Deleted member]

Okay okay, maybe its isn't my place to say that you can't come up with an opinion on something that you haven't played as long as you're informed, but honestly you're not really fully informed until you have actually played a game. Especially a game like Uprising since its meant to be played multiple times and has a lot of content you can easily miss. (Heck, I'm still not sure if I've seen all of Thanatos' forms, and I know I missed a lot of dialogue) And you can miss it even easier in videos. I mean, do gameplay videos even show

Spoiler

the Viridi menus?

And its even more important for Smash seeing as this is a Sakurai game, and there's loads of mechanics and similarities and expansions on Smash's concepts that again can't be fully understood unless you're actually playing the game.

But seriously though, even if you're only looking at the game through videos, rather than playing it, it should be sort of clear that Magnus doesn't really have enough going for him. The cast is surprisingly large, and they almost all

Spoiler

sorry Cragolanche

have fun personalities, because, hey, this is pretty much the second coming of Star Fox 64. To that end there's a lot of interesting characters, and since its such a small series, there's a reasonable shot it may stay at one character let alone get to 2 or 3. But when you consider roles, Magnus isn't at the top. He's like 6th or 7th from a story perspective, and like...I dunno less from a interesting gameplay mechanic perspective, but even if you factor in the fact that he's

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playable

that still wouldn't really bump him into second if you're only making judgements based by that.

That's fine and all, but:
a. How does playing a game make what people think of a character different if they've already seen what they would see if they play it?
b. Since when is role the absolute biggest factor? Cranky Kong should easily be in over Dixie by that regards. (being the original Donkey Kong, and being in more than twice as much games as Dixie) Also, that would mean we would expect Peppy to get in over Krystal.
c. What does gameplay perspectives have to do with people's viewpoints on a character anyway? It's not like playing the game is going to make me want Palutena more than Magnus.
d. Why does it bother you so much that I support Magnus over Palutena? It's not like I don't support Palutena, but I support Magnus (and Medusa) more.

 

[Johnknight1]

We need to make stereotypes of what people who support "X" character are like for fun. Hopefully it will lighten the mood and convince you all that Mega Man is the right man for any fan with a plan for Smash land.

 

[Pieman0920]

I think its pretty obvious that series that are more popular tend to have more characters. >_>

But seriously though, Marth wasn't represented that well in Melee either. Probably worse than Roy technically.

 

[Johnknight1]

The difference is Marth's attacks he uses are the same type of attacks he uses in his games. While his story isn't as well explained as Roy's in Melee, he still played like what we all basically imagined Marth would be like (although you can't really see many characters as jugglers, but I digress).

 

[Red(SP)]

We need to make stereotypes of what people who support "X" character are like for fun. Hopefully it will lighten the mood and convince you all that Mega Man is the right man for any fan with a plan for Smash land.

inb4badboxartmegamanforssb4pageonfb.

I support Mega Man in all, but I seriously can't take Capcom seriously in anything they do anymore.

 

[Johnknight1]

Which is more reasons why we need Mega Man in Smash. That way we can see the pure blue bomber in all his greatness... at least one more last glorious adventure, battle, and CLASH! (which by the way would be an excellent name for a Smash Bros. game)

 

[Metal Overlord]

Classic Mega Man, please

 

[Conviction]

What the hell

 

[Metal Overlord]

y u so vague, iblis

 

[Johnknight1]

Classic Mega Man is the only Mega Man worthy of Smash.

Mega Man X, Zero, and Mega Man .EXE can be alternate outfits, assist trophy characters, bosses, etc.

 

[Conviction]

What...wait, am I the only one who saw BKupa's post? LOL

 

[Pieman0920]

That's fine and all, but:
a. How does playing a game make what people think of a character different if they've already seen what they would see if they play it?

Because odds are you haven't actually seen everything. You've seen one half of a screen go through events in a specific way when they can happen in a different way at any given playthrough. This isn't an absolute for all games, since there are those (like Uprising) where its a factor. But people tend to think of characters differently all the time if they actually play as them or fight against them, since its their own experience. Since this topic's sort of on the subject of FE again, most FE fans basically like or dislike a character based on their experiences with them more than anything. (Though FE's also sort of different from most games in that at least for some of them, you can basically go further into their own personal story if you want, or you can ignore it. That is except for the main lord who you always have to deal with.)

b. Since when is role the absolute biggest factor? Cranky Kong should easily be in over Dixie by that regards. (being the original Donkey Kong, and being in more than twice as much games as Dixie) Also, that would mean we would expect Peppy to get in over Krystal.

I didn't say it was the biggest factor, broham. I just said if you were ranking it by that. But quite frankly I'm surprised you wouldn't think that, seeing as you're just watching stuff online, and not playing. Usually there you have to judge by the roles and not much else.

And its sort of debatable even then that Cranky should be higher just because he was the original DK. I mean, the fact that he was affiliated with one of the most influential video games out there is sort of chalked up to status. From a pure role stand point, he was just sort of a personality-less ape villain. Dixie at least was the co-star of two games. Similarly, Krystal's role could be debated to be larger than Peppy due to her overall influence of the plots of Adventures and Command in comparison to Peppy's somewhat lack of a influence on the series. Status may still go to Peppy though.

c. What does gameplay perspectives have to do with people's viewpoints on a character anyway? It's not like playing the game is going to make me want Palutena more than Magnus.

Again with the above question, you're sort of confusing me. But I sort of answered it already. People come to different opinions from both viewing and experiencing something. Its one of those things that separate films from the vidya, you know? If you're only watching it, you're only taking it half in. As I said before, your opinions change when you actually play through something.

d. Why does it bother you so much that I support Magnus over Palutena? It's not like I don't support Palutena, but I support Magnus (and Medusa) more.

What bothers me is that you're so dead set that you automatically say that there's nothing that I can say to change your mind, when you haven't even played the game at all. Its alright to make an opinion, but its dumb to set it in stone before you've even played the game. That's reason I don't really like to bring up the Mother series, since I've never played it, and even if I watched everything, it wouldn't be a fully formed opinion to actually make a concrete decision about it until I actually played it.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I saw it too lol Iblis he deleted it though

You must not have refreshed the page or something

 

[Conviction]

My playthrough has both screens

 

[lordvaati]

something I realized:

since Furil is the one who took over after lip and is the new main character of PdP, shouldn't people request her instead of her mom?

 

[Johnknight1]

What...wait, am I the only one who saw BKupa's post? LOL

Was it that really really long post that someone keeps posting every few weeks/months about all these characters, including Count Chocula=???

 

[Big-Cat]

Olimar seems pretty awesome now. (-lwl-)

I'm bit scared about Metaknight and Dedede getting their wierd accents from the Kirby: Right Back At Ya-dubs. I can't stand them. Especially Metaknight's.

Isaac talking... I wish he gets a cute boy-voice matching his looks.

Not necessarily. They didn't bring back Pit's Brawl actor in the English dub of Uprising. Likewise, only some of SF64 3DS's actors were the same as the N64 version, namely Fox and Slippy.

We need to make stereotypes of what people who support "X" character are like for fun. Hopefully it will lighten the mood and convince you all that Mega Man is the right man for any fan with a plan for Smash land.

Megaman supporters are butthurt Megaman fanboys.
Krystal supporters are furries.
Victini supporters are immature.
Waluigi supporters are morons with anger management issues.

something I realized:

since Furil is the one who took over after lip and is the new main character of PdP, shouldn't people request her instead of her mom?

Seniority.

 

[Conviction]

Was it that really really long post that someone keeps posting every few weeks/months about all these characters, including Count Chocula=???

Yeah, looks like it hahaha

 

[Pieman0920]

The difference is Marth's attacks he uses are the same type of attacks he uses in his games. While his story isn't as well explained as Roy's in Melee, he still played like what we all basically imagined Marth would be like (although you can't really see many characters as jugglers, but I digress).

In Melee? I mean in Brawl he got the stab, but in Melee he just had the overhead swing, which wile not the same, was close to Roy's promoted attacks from FE6. (plus fire!)

As for story though, Roy's could have been less well explained due to the fact that FE6 hadn't come out yet. Maybe they didn't know everything.

 

[Metal Overlord]

What does that make the Mewtwo supporters then? lol

 

[Conviction]

God how I'm a sucker for people like Dark Pit, only if he had higher chances V____V

 

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^^You love most any anti-hero. Don't ya?

Wow the thread has been moving fast. So what exactly are we talking about?

Also seems that I missed a Palutena moveset discussion 10 pages back. "pouts"

What does that make the Mewtwo supporters then? lol

"insert Spoon joke here."

 

[Red(SP)]

Yeah, looks like it hahaha

Oh, you mean that long as hell moveset post? That was probably meant for the MYM topic further down. It gave me quite the laugh though.

 

[Conviction]

@Red: Yeah XD

@Tri: It's just the personality is how I usually make friends/enemies. Huh, I relate to anti-heros the most.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I'm a sucker for the "good guys with attitudes/hotheaded friendly rival" archetype. You know, characters like Knuckles, Kuwabara and Piccolo. Just saiyan lol

 

[Johnknight1]

Megaman supporters are butthurt Megaman fanboys.
Krystal supporters are furries.
Victini supporters are immature.
Waluigi supporters are morons with anger management issues.

This sounds about right for a stereotype...

Yeah, looks like it hahaha

Yeah, that long post is annoying! XD

In Melee? I mean in Brawl he got the stab, but in Melee he just had the overhead swing, which wile not the same, was close to Roy's promoted attacks from FE6. (plus fire!)

As for story though, Roy's could have been less well explained due to the fact that FE6 hadn't come out yet. Maybe they didn't know everything.

Marth had maybe one or two stab moves, aside from his specials.

Roy not getting moves from Fire Emblem 6 makes sense in Melee. Yet if we were to get him back, he should definitely get his moves from that game. That way he can really show Captain Falcon "his moves." And that way Roy really will have t3h ph1r3!

 

[Big-Cat]

What does that make the Mewtwo supporters then? lol

The enlightened.

@Red: Yeah XD

@Tri: It's just the personality is how I usually make friends/enemies. Huh, I relate to anti-heros the most.

I tend to relate to the eccentric, the outcast, the quirky, the somewhat annoying, and the dreaming ones.

 

[Johnknight1]

Mewtwo supporters eat pasta with a spoon!

 

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@Iblis: Remind me not to get on your bad side then. XD

The enlightened.

Why else do we carry around Spoons? BD

 

[Johnknight1]

We Mewtwo fans sure like to Spoon together... because we are Super Smash Strong!

 

[Conviction]

Well I don't think anyone over the internet is going to get to me.

 

[Johnknight1]

I already got all of you!

Also, I got mah Mega Mans to support.

 

[Conviction]

Derp ?