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[Weavel]

It won't in Smash either way. I'm not saying she's likely to get in, of course.

YouTube not working well, and I don't really click many links on here.



Nor did Zelda ever fight in Canon. Nor does Waluigi exist in Canon yet he has a Smash appearance. Canon doesn't count, dude. Any media appearance is good enough for Sakurai. Keep that in mind when he looks at characters. He has never specified "Canon" only at any time. I used to think it was a good argument, but then I realized that Smash barely follows Canon with a lot of its stuff, so why use that as an argument?



He actually would.

Wal liugi is canon..

Also Pyramid would NEVER fit or make it lol. SPOILER: The guy is a rapist, Have you played silent hill?

 

[Deleted member]

She fights such freaks of nature in her games like coin piece.

Check my edit.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Wal liugi is canon..

Waluigi really is? Despite never appearing in a main series game?

Miyamoto barely acknowledges him. He also didn't create him either. He was created by a second party company.

But that's not my point; Waluigi is not an important Mario character at all, and certainly doesn't do anything at all canon-wise. He's not like Wario, Toad, etc. He's just one of the random bad guys with a personality.

He only has ever gotten referenced in Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door at best.

Of course, I can only call him indefinitely Canon if Miyamoto says all the 1st/2nd Party Mario games are Canon. Also, by this logic, Mario met Sonic in Canon too.

 

[Oasis_S]

It's awful when HyperFalcon carries the thread.

 

[Weavel]

You're comparing a normal human woman (except in RE5, where she was made psychotic with superhuman abilities) to a freak of nature.

And clearly, being from a horror series doesn't mean that blood and gore will be involved.

Look at the Capcom fighting games (inb4rantsabouthowcapcomsucks). They often contain horror game characters, and they work fine with no gore. Even Nemesis, as freaky as he is, is still relatively tame.

Also, series represented in Smash have their WTF HOLY **** moments as well. Remember Giygas? How about various monsters that Samus has to encounter? Zero/02 and their bleeding eyes? Or how about

Spoiler

Medusa's monster form in Uprising?

First off, They're Teen games.
Alien monsters being killed in space no person IRL would really consider bad. There is also some cartoons where alien monsters get cut to pieces ect and the show was on the same level as courage the cowardly dog, Which could also serve as an example of this..

Zero 02 just had a bleeding eye, It wasn't to over the top but very unexpected in a kirby game. I have also expressed interest in Zero 2 becoming a character.

 

[Weavel]

It's awful when HyperFalcon carries the thread.

I love this guy!

Waluigi really is? Despite never appearing in a main series game?

Miyamoto barely acknowledges him. He also didn't create him either. He was created by a second party company.

But that's not my point; Waluigi is not an important Mario character at all, and certainly doesn't do anything at all canon-wise. He's not like Wario, Toad, etc. He's just one of the random bad guys with a personality.

He only has ever gotten referenced in Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door at best.

Of course, I can only call him indefinitely Canon if Miyamoto says all the 1st/2nd Party Mario games are Canon. Also, by this logic, Mario met Sonic in Canon too.

Yes canon.. Now tell me.. What was the name of the guy with a purple hat with an upside down L in Mario and Sonic At the Olympic Games?

But Sarcasm aside, He is canon. He and wario get along and its obviously there to counter the mario brothers.

P.S. I like Wal Liugi, He says some funny **** in Power tennis.
Wal Liugi: Ha ha! Look at him walk! (Talking about bowser)

 

[Deleted member]

Waluigi really is? Despite never appearing in a main series game?

Miyamoto barely acknowledges him. He also didn't create him either. He was created by a second party company.

But that's not my point; Waluigi is not an important Mario character at all, and certainly doesn't do anything at all canon-wise. He's not like Wario, Toad, etc. He's just one of the random bad guys with a personality.

He only has ever gotten referenced in Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door at best.

Of course, I can only call him indefinitely Canon if Miyamoto says all the 1st/2nd Party Mario games are Canon. Also, by this logic, Mario met Sonic in Canon too.

Mario has no canon. This has been outright stated.

First off, They're Teen games.
Alien monsters being killed in space no person IRL would really consider bad. There is also some cartoons where alien monsters get cut to pieces ect and the show was on the same level as courage the cowardly dog, Which could also serve as an example of this..

Zero 02 just had a bleeding eye, It wasn't to over the top but very unexpected in a kirby game. I have also expressed interest in Zero 2 becoming a character.

Being from a T-Rated game and an M-Rated game make no lick of ****ing difference. Case in point, Snake. MGS4 was definitely not as "silly" as the other titles.

Especially when the character in question, Jill Valentine, is not at all freaky or scary.
And you want to talk about silly? Play the original Resident Evil. Try not to crack a smile at the cheesy dialogue.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yes canon.. Now tell me.. What was the name of the guy with a purple hat with an upside down L in Mario and Sonic At the Olympic Games?

...Did you seriously just call this game Canon? No, seriously, it's not a canon game, dude. Bad example.

But Sarcasm aside, He is canon. He and wario get along and its obviously there to counter the mario brothers.

Waluigi was not really made to be some counterpart. He's just Wario's partner, and literally his name means Bad Luigi. He also doesn't appear in a single Wario game. Which makes no sense. You think he would appear where he matters the most. Instead, he's in spin-offs. Can you prove Spin-offs are Canon? They could, they could not be. Which means until we get a statement on that, Waluigi sits on the Non-Canon sideline for now. Daisy is an officially Canon character. Waluigi's just a filler guy.

P.S. I like Wal Liugi, He says some funny **** in Power tennis.
Wal Liugi: Ha ha! Look at him walk! (Talking about bowser)

Ugh, the spelling actually makes Waluigi look bad. I didn't say I didn't like him. He's one of my favorites, but he's only in Smash because Sakurai likes him, not because of Canon.

But regardless of that, when did Zelda fight(and I mean Zelda directly, not Sheik) ever in Canon before getting into Melee? Wait... not at all. Long story short, Canon doesn't matter at all, considering how often Sakurai completely ignores it.

 

[Deleted member]

HYPER: MARIO HAS NO ****ING CANON.

This is one of the arguments that I really hate.

 

[Weavel]

Mario has no canon. This has been outright stated.






Being from a T-Rated game and an M-Rated game make no lick of ****ing difference. Case in point, Snake. MGS4 was definitely not as "silly" as the other titles.

Especially when the character in question, Jill Valentine, is not at all freaky or scary.

Unless we're on a different page here, Teen or mature game.
It really does make a difference, Kirby boss has a bleeding eye, That Ain't to over the top. Where Jill can get cut in two and then eaten.
Metal gear was a serious and silly game, I don't know what else you could be referencing or implying but the rest of the case in SSB has no characters from a M game. Just snake, And I walk about him enough.

 

[Deleted member]

Show me a scene where Jill is sliced in half.

Also, Nintendo isn't one to shy away from the freaky ****.

This game alone is freakier that any RE title.

 

[Weavel]

...Did you seriously just call this game Canon? No, seriously, it's not a canon game, dude. Bad example.



Waluigi was not really made to be some counterpart. He's just Wario's partner, and literally his name means Bad Luigi. He also doesn't appear in a single Wario game. Which makes no sense. You think he would appear where he matters the most. Instead, he's in spin-offs. Can you prove Spin-offs are Canon? They could, they could not be. Which means until we get a statement on that, Waluigi sits on the Non-Canon sideline for now. Daisy is an officially Canon character. Waluigi's just a filler guy.



Ugh, the spelling actually makes Waluigi look bad. I didn't say I didn't like him. He's one of my favorites, but he's only in Smash because Sakurai likes him, not because of Canon.

But regardless of that, when did Zelda fight(and I mean Zelda directly, not Sheik) ever in Canon before getting into Melee? Wait... not at all. Long story short, Canon doesn't matter at all, considering how often Sakurai completely ignores it.

I thought u said mario/sonic game was canon? And what does zelda have to do with this? lol, If we are still talking about jill she can very well fight.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

HYPER: MARIO HAS NO ****ING CANON.

This is one of the arguments that I really hate.

It has no stated canon, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Please show me where Miyamoto outright said "All games are Canon". Otherwise, any third party games that clearly are not directly the Mario universe are pretty much non-canon.

I thought u said mario/sonic game was canon? And what does zelda have to do with this? lol, If we are still talking about jill she can very well fight.

I said they WEREN'T Canon at all. No, my point was that Sakurai ignores Canon for the sake of making a character playable. This has been proven time and time again through his actions.

 

[Weavel]

Show me a scene where Jill is sliced in half.

Also, Nintendo isn't one to shy away from the freaky ****.

This game alone is freakier that any RE title.

http://youtu.be/rj67FtVYbjQ

Go to 1:41 on video.

Also on capcom unity I'm highly respected as someone very knowledgeable of Resident evil/Bio-Hazard. I literately know everything there is to know about RE.

 

[Deleted member]

It has no stated canon, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Please show me where Miyamoto outright said "All games are Canon". Otherwise, any third party games that clearly are not directly the Mario universe are pretty much non-canon.

I can't show you where he said that all games are canon, because there IS NO SET CANON.

Seriously, how does "There is no canon" translate to "All games are canon" in any way, shape, or form?

 

[Weavel]

I can't show you where he said that all games are canon, because there IS NO SET CANON.

Seriously, how does "There is no canon" translate to "All games are canon" in any way, shape, or form?

Whats the problem with all the games being canon? It has a perfect happy ending each time. I don't see the issue.

Super mario RPG don't count.

Edit: Also entei, On the jill getting cut in half thing, Its on the previous page if you missed it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I can't show you where he said that all games are canon, because there IS NO SET CANON.

Seriously, how does "There is no canon" translate to "All games are canon" in any way, shape, or form?

That only means they all are considered Canon. They just have different timelines.

Either some are canon, or they all are. All games just can't be non-canon, especially when they directly connect to eachother. Super Mario Galaxy and Galaxy 2 are part of their own Canon. That's Canon.

If we can't figure out what's not Canon, they they all must be. Even if there's more than one storyline, it doesn't change them from being Canon.

 

[Deleted member]

Alright, so half of her can be eaten in RE5. She isn't eaten in half in the Marvel vs. Capcom games, and she certainly wouldn't be in Smash, so I have no idea what you're getting at.

(And the previous REs with Jill weren't as bad.)

 

[Weavel]

Alright, so half of her can be eaten in RE5. She isn't eaten in half in the Marvel vs. Capcom games, and she certainly wouldn't be in Smash, so I have no idea what you're getting at.

(And the previous REs with Jill weren't as bad.)

You just said give u a vid with her getting cut in half, So I did. and of course no one is brutally murdered ect in MVC3. They want everyone to buy that game. Also it wouldn't fit the style overall of MVC3.

 

[Deleted member]

Then what is the problem with her being in Smash?

 

[Weavel]

Then what is the problem with her being in Smash?

Just that her choice from capcom overall would be questionable, given the rest of what capcom has to offer. When you have a guest character, Ppl usually research where they are from ect. And she is from a survival horror game, I don't think me or capcom would agree that is the best person to represent them given the style of SSB.

More like leaning on the megaman side, Or anougher series that is just as friendly.

 

[Oasis_S]

Firebrand is still the best Capcom representative.

Though Mega Man, Ryu, and Jill would be quite a trio. Jill would of course be better than Chris for the sake of variety. Sausagefests are always bad.

 

[Deleted member]

@ Weavel: The only legitimate thing you have said is that Capcom has more to offer. And the "more" is Mega Man. And Nintendo/Capcom don't care what you think.
Try to view it as if it were a strictly business situation (as in, fan requests mean ****). Which of Capcom's series is currently dominating the rest? Resident Evil. If Capcom was solely looking for a series to represent in Smash based on sales, they would pick it.

Which I have already stated that Mega Man comes before Ryu or Jill anyway. Simply due to fan demand and the fact that Capcom really wants him in Smash. (Or at least Capcom USA.)

@ Oasis: Can't argue with that. Flying Red ******* for Sm4sh!

 

[Weavel]

@ Weavel: The only legitimate thing you have said is that Capcom has more to offer. And the "more" is Mega Man. And Nintendo/Capcom don't care what you think.
Try to view it as if it were a strictly business situation (as in, fan requests mean ****). Which of Capcom's series is currently dominating the rest? Resident Evil. If Capcom was solely looking for a series to represent in Smash based on sales, they would pick it.

Which I have already stated that Mega Man comes before Ryu or Jill anyway. Simply due to fan demand and the fact that Capcom really wants him in Smash. (Or at least Capcom USA.)

@ Oasis: Can't argue with that. Flying Red ******* for Sm4sh!

Capcom only listens to fans to an extent. This is a fact. And I won't go into it further, You don't know capcom if you say otherwise.

Also capcom would care on who gets into ssb4, They would no doubt choose what is more appropriate. which would probly be megaman or whatever. But not resident evi, Unless it would be on Sakurai's request. But I think he would feel the same.

 

[Oasis_S]

Konami: Snake
Sega: Gilius Thunderhead
Capcom: Firebrand
Square: Slime
Namco: Etemon

The inarguably best picks from the "BIG FIVE" third-party companies.

 

[Weavel]

Konami: Snake
Sega: Gilius Thunderhead
Capcom: Firebrand
Square: Slime
Namco: Etemon

The inarguably best picks from the "BIG FIVE" third-party companies.

I didn't know Namco owned digimon.. Or had business ties with it, Never played a digimon game but always wanted to. My friend does tho.

 

[Deleted member]

Capcom only listens to fans to an extent. This is a fact. And I won't go into it further, You don't know capcom if you say otherwise.

Also capcom would care on who gets into ssb4, They would no doubt choose what is more appropriate. which would probly be megaman or whatever. But not resident evi, Unless it would be on Sakurai's request. But I think he would feel the same.

You =/= Sakurai
You =/= Capcom

Do not act as though that they feel the same way you do.
And given your previous outbursts about Capcom in the past, you are in no position to talk about Capcom. Yes, I know of the "evil" things "Crapcom" has done, but the raging fanboys are always worse than the company and I'm tired of listening to them.

And with that, I take my leave for sleep.

 

[RomanceDawn]

I didn't know Namco owned digimon.. Or had business ties with it, Never played a digimon game but always wanted to. My friend does tho.

How old are you? I genuinely want to know, just to know.

 

[Weavel]

You =/= Sakurai
You =/= Capcom

Do not act as though that they feel the same way you do.
And given your previous outbursts about Capcom in the past, you are in no position to talk about Capcom. Yes, I know of the "evil" things "Crapcom" has done, but the raging fanboys are always worse than the company and I'm tired of listening to them.

And with that, I take my leave for sleep.

I've been on the capcom forum for years, I can damn well talk about it and all its exploits. The guy who created megaman left capcom because of there bull****.

And I ain't acting as if my will and capcoms are one. I can state my opinion alongside my perceived judgement of them.

Blacken out, Nite.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I've been on the capcom forum for years, I can damn well talk about it and all its exploits. The guy who created megaman left capcom because of there bull****.

And they'll continue to do bull****. Like they always do. MegaMan barely gets any love. I don't see him being likely if the Company needs to make a unified decision on which character to choose. Keep in mind the only employee suggesting MegaMan would prefer Bison first.

And I ain't acting as if my will and capcoms are one. I can state my opinion alongside my perceived judgement of them.

No, you clearly made it sound like you understood what Capcom would do. Not that you think what's a good option. There's a difference. It's fine if you believe they should choose MegaMan. But to say they would first...? Doubtful.

 

[Oasis_S]

I didn't know Namco owned digimon.. Or had business ties with it, Never played a digimon game but always wanted to. My friend does tho.

Yerp. Digimon started out as a virtual pet video game series made by Bandai, and they merged with Namco. The only good Digimon game is Digimon World for the PSX, just so you know.

Some may argue that the original virtual pets don't technically count as video games, but I would then raise exhibit G and exhibit W.

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I don't actually think any Digimon has any real chance in the Slightest, lol. Etemon is just the Strongest in the whole world.

 

[Psychoace]

Agumon maaaaaan or patamon.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Agumon, definitely.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Nintendo has made it's share of horror titles. Eternal Darkness and Giest come to mind.

So what would be the problem with including a horror game character in a Nintendo based game again?
Simply put, there are three Capcom characters that would make perfect sense in Smash, Mega Man, Ryu, and Jill Valentine.
That being said, Mega Man trounces the other two.

Show me a scene where Jill is sliced in half.

Also, Nintendo isn't one to shy away from the freaky ****.

This game alone is freakier that any RE title.

I don't care if Eternal Darkness and Geist are Nintendo's creations or not. I still say that it's not a smart move to be involving M-rated games in the Super Smash Bros. series. The last thing we want is Mortal Kombat type of fighting, especially since Smash Bros. is affiliated with cartoon violence.

 

[Diddy Kong]

But regardless of that, when did Zelda fight(and I mean Zelda directly, not Sheik) ever in Canon before getting into Melee? Wait... not at all. Long story short, Canon doesn't matter at all, considering how often Sakurai completely ignores it.

Why are you always wrong? Zelda in fact did fight, Sheik didn't.

 

[Big-Cat]

All this talk about Kid Icarus: Uprising has made me think of a possible shocking final boss. Spoilers are nothing major, but I still tagged it out of courtesy.

Spoiler

What if the REAL final boss of the game is Cthulhu? I mean there is a part where aliens are involved, and since this game revolves around deities what other type of space deity would make sense? This would be the craziest twist of them all!

I could so see the dialog between Palutena and Pit.

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdDoFQK4Rrs

Capcom only listens to fans to an extent.

This is the same for every company. Nintendo is arguably way more guilty of this. People have asked for updates/patches for Brawl and we haven't gotten jack. People have asked for XBL type services, and we only got close to that starting last year. And need I remind you about the MOTHER 3 incident?

Off topic, but I hope you guys get a kick out of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOJas6NosrQ&feature=g-u-u&context=G28569eaFUAAAAAAABAA

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Capcom only listens to fans to an extent. This is a fact. And I won't go into it further, You don't know capcom if you say otherwise.

This is the same for every company. Nintendo is arguably way more guilty of this. People have asked for updates/patches for Brawl and we haven't gotten jack. People have asked for XBL type services, and we only got close to that starting last year. And need I remind you about the MOTHER 3 incident?

You think that's bad, after Mario Super Sluggers, a lot of the Mario characters that existed during the GameCube era have been given the boot lately. Toadette, Kritter, and King K. Rool are just a couple examples. And the only spin-off that Rosalina is involved in is Mario Kart.

 

[Metal Overlord]

God, do you people know ANYTHING about Mortal Kombat?

Putting in a Mortal Kombat character isn't gonna make Smash have "Mortal Kombat-type" violence

They can EASILY be toned down, just like in MKvsDCU, and like I said, it really depends on the character we're talking about. A character like Mileena or Motaro probably wouldn't fit in Smash as well as Liu Kang (who, in the older games, was only character without a less violent and explicit and fatality) and Raiden, and Sub-Zero the 2nd. IF a Mortal Kombat character were to get in, it would be those three and maybe Scorpion, anyway.

And, honestly, if more serious characters like Samus and Ganondorf can get into Smash, than so can an MK character. If you didn't already know, MK is only really gory, not gory and serious a la God of War. In some of the games, you have the ability of performing a friendship or turning the opponent into a baby after you've defeated. And there's a lot of humorous Easter Eggs and content hidden throughout the games such as "Cooking With Scorpion", the Fergality in MK2, and "Toasty!". So while it definitely earns its Mature rating, that doesn't make it any more serious, than say, Metal Gear Solid.

The question is whether it's actually worth implementing them into Smash. Personally, I'd say no, much as I love the series; there are better choices out there for third parties than an MK character. Not sure why I even typed up all this to be honest, I think I was just more eager to talk MK with y'all than I realized, lol

 

[Baskerville]

Jim Sterling can go suck a ****.

 

[Big-Cat]

You think that's bad, after Mario Super Sluggers, a lot of the Mario characters that existed during the GameCube era have been given the boot lately. Toadette, Kritter, and King K. Rool are just a couple examples. And the only spin-off that Rosalina is involved in is Mario Kart.

I'm still confused by some of their choices for racers for MK7.

Part of me wishes that the Mario games would become more character driven, but more in the sense that helping the characters with their problems/saving them was linked to getting the next star.

Waluigi wouldn't exist in the platform games still.