New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Kolorado]

Watch this argument go on for the next 5 pages LOL

Hyper won't stop untill Weavel admits defeat, or untill the 2012 Mayan Apocalypse kills us all. And GOD HELP US if there is an afterlife, because I'm sure the debate will continue there.

 

[Weavel]

Hyper won't stop untill Weavel admits defeat, or untill the 2012 Mayan Apocalypse kills us all. And GOD HELP US if there is an afterlife, because I'm sure the debate will continue there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq5bw3BhOCI

 

[Metal Overlord]

I like Shadow, but he is too similar to Sonic for me to want him playable. Tails wins for pure relevance, being Sonic's sidekick since Sonic 2. Knuckles seems easiest to implement, given that he is already a fighter. But Eggman I think would offer the most unique moveset, which is why I would love to have him.

Given the plot for the upcoming Sonic 4: Episode II, maybe we will see Metal Sonic in some fashion, even if only as an assist trophy.

Shadow would be cool, but I just can't take him seriously now with his new voice actor. LOL

And I would love for one of the Dreamcast-era final bosses (Perfect Chaos, Biolizard/Finalhazard, or Metal Overlord) to be Adventure Mode bosses or at least have their theme songs get in

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

No I think you are annoyed, This had nothing to do with you. It was a smear job on both sides. He didn't know anything about the hunters and I slimes ect, Now its over.

And I simply informed you more of the Slimes' capabilities, as did others. You barely gave any information on the Hunters at all.

You are one digging for more elaborate purpose.

You mean forcing people to defend their point like they should?

P.S. Metroid prime hunters was the only metroid on the ds besides pinball, And it also got top notch ratings and great praise for how the game look and how it played.
And they are pretty significant if there only appearance got ratings like that.
It doesn't matter they didn't effect the overall story, It sold damn well and got damn good ratings, This is why part of me is certain one will make it into SSB4. Hell they even had the time to make full trophys of all the hunters in great detail just for brawl.

I was not talking about Reviews. You know that. Their important to the story determines their series' roles. Popularity? That was never my argument and you know that. Stop bringing that up. Their role in the story is the thing that compares them to Slime. Slime is indeed more popular than all of them anyway, so that point is silly to bring up. If they had little effect on the story, then they're not better than Slime by any means. Since Slimes have indeed contributed more to the Dragon Quest series, and I don't mean just as random monsters. They're not just iconic, they're important in both Dragon Quest Monsters(the regular Gameboy/Color) games. They may be important in Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker, etc.

Slime's role outweighs them. The only thing that the Hunters even have is... limbs. And there's a small chance they won't be clones, and how do you even choose which one to use? Unless you choose one and make the rest costumes. There's just a buttload more work to making the Hunters playable when it's far easier to make a single character playable.

 

[Weavel]

Shadow would be cool, but I just can't take him seriously now with his new voice actor. LOL

And I would love for one of the Dreamcast-era final bosses (Perfect Chaos, Biolizard/Finalhazard, or Metal Overlord) to be Adventure Mode bosses or at least have their theme songs get in

I hope at some point we get anougher game like Sonic Adventure, That games soundtrack and different play styles make that game a true gem.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I loved E-102 in Sonic Adventure

Team Chaotix would make great ATs, I can already see their attack being their Team Blast from Sonic Heroes

Oh, and BTW, Diddy's here. goddammit

 

[Diddy Kong]

Impa's role outweights Sheik's role as well.

Guess who's back?

 

[yani]

Guess who's back?

Sheik?

 

[Kolorado]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq5bw3BhOCI

HAHAHAHAHA! So true.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Wait, why did I say Metal Overlord is a Dreamcast era boss? Oh yeah, lol, stupid Sonic Generations and its divided up eras

 

[Weavel]

And I simply informed you more of the Slimes' capabilities, as did others. You barely gave any information on the Hunters at all.



You mean forcing people to defend their point like they should?



I was not talking about Reviews. You know that. Their important to the story determines their series' roles. Popularity? That was never my argument and you know that. Stop bringing that up. Their role in the story is the thing that compares them to Slime. Slime is indeed more popular than all of them anyway, so that point is silly to bring up. If they had little effect on the story, then they're not better than Slime by any means. Since Slimes have indeed contributed more to the Dragon Quest series, and I don't mean just as random monsters. They're not just iconic, they're important in both Dragon Quest Monsters(the regular Gameboy/Color) games. They may be important in Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker, etc.

Slime's role outweighs them. The only thing that the Hunters even have is... limbs. And there's a small chance they won't be clones, and how do you even choose which one to use? Unless you choose one and make the rest costumes. There's just a buttload more work to making the Hunters playable when it's far easier to make a single character playable.

I've explain how the certain hunters play ect, None of them are clones in there respected right, They aren't just color swaps for samus with the same morph ball bomb.

They all change into a unique form of there own that all performs very different and all are used for different play styles and Situations. Even if Samus gets ahold of one of there weapons, She could never use it to their full potential like the hunters. Like if she attains Weavel signature weapon its like a heavy range shot that shoots on the ground. When weavel uses it it tracks its enemies and when it hits them it also knocks them away. You also can't charge this weapon for greater effect, Its shoots automatic.

And you know Samus's morph ball? This is Weavel's version of it

Yeah that looks nothing like clone of samus would use.. Now his lower body acts as a turret while his top body runs at you and assaults you with his beam sword why you are still doging the turret.
Thats pretty damn unique and its only half the reason I want him in the game. And hes just 1 hunter, All the others are this diverse as well.

P.S. All hunters have some form of melee weapon besides samus they don't use in combat. They could change this in SSB4.

PP.S I ain't trying to offend you if it seems that way, I want everybody to be happy but with a who gets in over who will never satisfy all but I said my peace.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Wait, why did I say Metal Overlord is a Dreamcast era boss? Oh yeah, lol, stupid Sonic Generations and its divided up eras

Well, the Dreamcast is at the same power level as the GameCube/PS2/XBox, maybe slightly less.

In addition, those 4 games are directly connected, and they started on the Dreamcast. All 4 could've easily been on it, and probably would've if Sega didn't go third party.

@Weavel: Thanks for the information. ...It sadly won't stop Sakurai with his love of clones, but yeah.

 

[Kolorado]

Wait, why did I say Metal Overlord is a Dreamcast era boss? Oh yeah, lol, stupid Sonic Generations and its divided up eras

Still though, that would be epic. And if Metal Sonic was ever playable maybe Metal Overlord could be a Final Smash.

Speaking of Generations, Classic Robotnik would be an awesome alternate costume for Eggman.

 

[Diddy Kong]

No lets just have Anthony

And of coarse Impa

 

[Weavel]

Well, the Dreamcast is at the same power level as the GameCube/PS2/XBox, maybe slightly less.

In addition, those 4 games are directly connected, and they started on the Dreamcast. All 4 could've easily been on it, and probably would've if Sega didn't go third party.

@Weavel: Thanks for the information. ...It sadly won't stop Sakurai with his love of clones, but yeah.

I ain't quite sure what you mean by that, but you motivated me post all the what whats about the hunters now AND WHY NONE OF THEM ARE CLONES OR GENERIC CHARACTERS!!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I ain't quite sure what you mean by that, but you motivated me post all the what whats about the hunters now AND WHY NONE OF THEM ARE CLONES OR GENERIC CHARACTERS!!

It means that he doesn't apply canon when making clones. Unless he does the research, he could just as easily make them slightly varied versions of Samus with maybe some different projectiles. I mean, look at poor Ganondorf.

In other words, if a character has a chance to be a clone, they can become one. No matter how illogical it is.

 

[Weavel]

It means that he doesn't apply canon when making clones. Unless he does the research, he could just as easily make them slightly varied versions of Samus with maybe some different projectiles. I mean, look at poor Ganondorf.

In other words, if a character has a chance to be a clone, they can become one. No matter how illogical it is.

What they did to ganon was unforgivable, But he didn't want to go the route with good swordsmen vs bad swordsmen. The rest is easy to guess.

But they did make all the hunters trophies in brawl, And even gave them stickers on what were good at. Sylux increases electric damage where if you use the Weavel sticker you start out with a beam sword. I think that was decent research there, they also of course had their backstories come with there trophies.

 

[Kolorado]

No lets just have Anthony

And of coarse Impa

I actually don't know why you get so much crap for wanting Anthony. If Sakurai can't make Ridley work, then that counts out any monster characters. That only leaves human like characters, of which Metroid doesn't have many. So if we ever get another Metroid character, it will probably be either Dark Samus, Anthony, or one of the hunters. 1 out 3 is not that bad of odds.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

What they did to ganon was unforgivable, But he didn't want to go the route with good swordsmen vs bad swordsmen. The rest is easy to guess.

Actually, I don't completely agree with that. Ganondorf was beyond awesome in Melee. He was an excellent character. He also is a powerhouse, and to be honest, I don't mind him without his sword. I want him with two swords and magic. One sword... is boring and overused.

But they did make all the hunters trophies in brawl, And even gave them stickers on what were good at. Sylux increases electric damage where if you use the Weavel stick you start out with a beam sword. I think that was decent research there, they also of course had their backstories come with there trophies.

They did the same to Wolf and look what happened to him?

I'm not saying they WILL be clones. But to say they can't be isn't true at all. The reason for them is to give Samus competition. Now, from what I remember, they played a lot like Luigified versions in the original DS game, the demo, that is. I'm sure they evolved, of course. Well, clearly, they did.

 

[Linkshot]

I actually don't know why you get so much crap for wanting Anthony.

He gets it because all he's doing is repeating his own wishes for the past 30 pages.

 

[Weavel]

Actually, I don't completely agree with that. Ganondorf was beyond awesome in Melee. He was an excellent character. He also is a powerhouse, and to be honest, I don't mind him without his sword. I want him with two swords and magic. One sword... is boring and overused.



They did the same to Wolf and look what happened to him?

I'm not saying they WILL be clones. But to say they can't be isn't true at all. The reason for them is to give Samus competition. Now, from what I remember, they played a lot like Luigified versions in the original DS game, the demo, that is. I'm sure they evolved, of course. Well, clearly, they did.

They were not in the demo, Only at the end with shadows of the characters. But you don't fight them. They really put the effort in to making this game, It really does play like metroid prime in a handheld. You scan stuff ect just like in metroid prime but the graphics aren't gamecube tier, They are, and still are the best example of the DS's graphics.

P.S. I may be pushing the ratings of the game alittle to far, I'm not saying what I said was exaggerated, Its just that there were some arguing against the hunters here who obviously knew nothing about the game and said it go poor ratings ect and its basically the next megaman legends 3 because there aren't enough ppl who want it. The guy even expressed interest in making anougher prime hunters as I've said before. And because of how great and sold and reviews it will happen.

P.S. Whats wrong with wolf? I only hated the fact he used a tank for his final smash. Sure plays alot different.

 

[Kolorado]

Its interesting that there seems to be so much debate on Square Enix, despite Sakurai never mentioning them. At least with Capcom, Sakurai actually made a comment that a Capcom character could appear in a future Smash Bros.

Speaking of which, as much as I love Mega Man, I would prefer Megaman X. He feels like a grown up version of Mega Man. Though I am sure Classic Mega Man will be the priority.

 

[Conviction]

Back from my band concert! And I'm ready to defend Shadow, who de *** said he would be a Sonic clone?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

They were not in the demo, Only at the end with shadows of the characters. But you don't fight them. They really put the effort in to making this game, It really does play like metroid prime in a handheld. You scan stuff ect just like in metroid prime but the graphics aren't gamecube tier, They are, and still are the best example of the DS's graphics.

I could play as them in multiplayer, though. That's what I'm talking about.

P.S. I may be pushing the ratings of the game alittle to far, I'm not saying what I said was exaggerated, Its just that there were some arguing against the hunters here who obviously knew nothing about the game and said it go poor ratings ect and its basically the next megaman legends 3 because there aren't enough ppl who want it. The guy even expressed interest in making anougher prime hunters as I've said before. And because of how great and sold and reviews it will happen.

As I said before, ratings and popularity are not my argument at all. Also, Dragon Quest far outsells Metroid anyway, if we want to go with that. I'm sure they'll get another game, but this has nothing to do with their Smash chances at all.

P.S. Whats wrong with wolf? I only hated the fact he used a tank for his final smash. Sure plays alot different.

Same B moves essentially. I expect somebody as different as Wolf if a Hunter gets in. Also, I never said he was bad, just that he got luigified instead of being completely unique.

 

[Weavel]

Its interesting that there seems to be so much debate on Square Enix, despite Sakurai never mentioning them. At least with Capcom, Sakurai actually made a comment that a Capcom character could appear in a future Smash Bros.

Speaking of which, as much as I love Mega Man, I would prefer Megaman X. He feels like a grown up version of Mega Man. Though I am sure Classic Mega Man will be the priority.

Personally I don't want capcom or square in the game, Snake was a given since they wanted him before and sonic.. Well its just sonic, and *****es love sonic.

 

[Kolorado]

Back from my band concert! And I'm ready to defend Shadow, who de *** said he would be a Sonic clone?

I did. But I actually do like the character, so I am open to hearing a non-clone argument for him.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I did. But I actually do like the character, so I am open to hearing a non-clone argument for him.

Shadow The Hedgehog(he had his own attacks), Sonic Battle, Sonic 2006, Sonic & The Black Knight.

He started off as a clone just like Tails and Knuckles did. He evolved past that.

I'll let Iblis go into extreme detail. I also made a moveset where the only move he'd share with the current Brawl Sonic is their Air Down A.(btw, that was stolen from Shadow's moves in Sonic Battle)

 

[Weavel]

I did. But I actually do like the character, so I am open to hearing a non-clone argument for him.

He is the ultimate life form for containing Chaos energy, And he can also attack with it. Chaos spear for example. He has mastered the use of chaos emeralds, And can warp with or without chaos emerald.

And he can slow time to the point where it almost seems like it stopped if he a chaos emerald.
Doesn't run like sonic but skates on high tech shoes.

 

[Conviction]

Neutral B = Choas Blast
Side B = Choas Spear
Up B = Choas Control
Down B = Spin Dash

 

[Hoots]

Personally I don't want capcom or square in the game, Snake was a given since they wanted him before and sonic.. Well its just sonic, and *****es love sonic.

So what the **** keeps happening that is drawing all of the new guys with obsessions with ridiculous characters and no ****ing grasp of logic or reasoning? It's getting insane, and if more and more of these guys pile up, there's literally going to be no healthy discussion.

 

[Deleted member]

This topic is now about how Bad Box Art Mega Man should be in Smash.

It is....his DESTINY!

 

[Kolorado]

Personally I don't want capcom or square in the game, Snake was a given since they wanted him before and sonic.. Well its just sonic, and *****es love sonic.

I'm guessing that Mega Man is pretty plausible, given that Capcom-Unity has been filled with forums demanding him since the announcement for SSB4. Though to be fair, it's up to Sakurai to ask Capcom, not the other way around.

As for Snake, I have always felt he was an odd choice for Smash Bros. I like the Metal Gear series, but it seems out of place next to Mario and Pokemon. If someone from Konami was put in, I would have preferred Simon Belmont, given Castlevania's history on Nintendo systems. But I guess when you are pals with Sakurai you get what you want.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Neutral B = Choas Blast
Side B = Choas Spear
Up B = Choas Control
Down B = Spin Dash

An alternate one with with using some of those for Super Shadow.

Neutral B - Chaos Magic
Side B - Ring Dash
Down B - Chaos Burst
Up B - Chaos Teleport(similar to Chaos Control, but not as far)

Super Shadow Version;

Neutral B - Chaos Spear(Can be charged for more power and knockback)
Side B - Ring Dash(with extreme knockback)
Down B - Chaos Blast
Up B - Chaos Control

See how easy it is with some work?

 

[Kolorado]

Neutral B = Choas Blast
Side B = Choas Spear
Up B = Choas Control
Down B = Spin Dash

Yeah, I could see him as an interesting character. I would still prefer Knuckles or Eggman, but I would be happy with any Sonic newcomers.

And Casino Night Zone needs to be a stage!

 

[Oasis_S]

Shadow is too similar to Shadow Mario.

 

[Kolorado]

Shadow is too similar to Shadow Mario.

??????????

 

[Deleted member]

This topic is now about how Bad Box Art Mega Man should be in Smash.

It is....his DESTINY!

Now let's stay on topic.

 

[Weavel]

??????????

I assume he is talking about the metal mario clone with a paint brush from sunshine. Don't remember him doing anything that Shadow can do.

 

[Kolorado]

This topic is now about how Bad Box Art Mega Man should be in Smash.

It is....his DESTINY!

I support this.

 

[Kolorado]

I assume he is talking about the metal mario clone with a paint brush from sunshine. Don't remember him doing anything that Shadow can do.

I know he is talking about Shadow Mario from Sunshine, I just couldn't tell if he was serious or just making a joke about their similar names.