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He can have her costume(he'd get in anyway). Problem solved. Meanwhile, we want him in because he's the last fully important pure Mario character left. Then we have the extras with Dr. Mario(returning), Waluigi, Paper Mario, Kamek or a Wario character.
I may not like him that much, but I cannot deny that he deserves the spot.
I could care less about relevancy. He's got every damn criteria to fit into the game.
He is indeed important, but it isn't that alone. Sakurai only said he couldn't see him fighting. This is before New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Toad(even if a generic one) just showed fighting skills.
I consider Daisy a lot more bland than Toad, to be honest. Oh, wow, she's upbeat. That's ALL she is. Toad is a commander, he's a hero, he does more than she ever did. Daisy's best off as a costume(which she already is). Toad, on the other hand, has been playable more than once in the regular games, and is still popular as hell, even moreso than Daisy.
I mean, sorry to say, but Daisy is still a "Scrappy" character. Waluigi is one too, but less so than Daisy right now. He has badass nature, while Daisy has an annoying voice. Neither "need" to get in, and I'd be fine if Waluigi didn't get in whatsoever.
Toad should be the next character. Likeliness(which is low) be damned. Then it's really between Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario. Preferrably PM. I'll leave Yoshi and Wario series(and if you want to stretch it, DK series) to their own devices, however, since we're referring to Mario characters.
I have to disagree. Toad could have a very unique move set, being small but powerful, and pulling from an arsenal of items from the Mario Universe. If you are saying he has a bland personality, then I disagree with that as well. I think he has more personality then a lot of other characters.
As for Daisy, she is not much more than a color swap for Peach, as opposed to Toad who would have a completely unique move set.
I could care less about relevancy. He's got every damn criteria to fit into the game.
He is indeed important, but it isn't that alone. Sakurai only said he couldn't see him fighting. This is before New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Toad(even if a generic one) just showed fighting skills.
I consider Daisy a lot more bland than Toad, to be honest. Oh, wow, she's upbeat. That's ALL she is. Toad is a commander, he's a hero, he does more than she ever did. Daisy's best off as a costume(which she already is). Toad, on the other hand, has been playable more than once in the regular games, and is still popular as hell, even moreso than Daisy.
I mean, sorry to say, but Daisy is still a "Scrappy" character. Waluigi is one too, but less so than Daisy right now. He has badass nature, while Daisy has an annoying voice. Neither "need" to get in, and I'd be fine if Waluigi didn't get in whatsoever.
Toad should be the next character. Likeliness(which is low) be damned. Then it's really between Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario. Preferrably PM. I'll leave Yoshi and Wario series(and if you want to stretch it, DK series) to their own devices, however, since we're referring to Mario characters.
You ever play super mario strikers? Its the soccer mario game, You see alot of the persona of daisy there, And it is alot more interesting and even more fun then peaches.
Where toad is just meh.. lol I know hes old and all that but he just doesn't do much, Daisy also seems like a tomboy which makes her more unique since shes a "Princess"
I have to disagree. Toad could have a very unique move set, being small but powerful, and pulling from an arsenal of items from the Mario Universe. If you are saying he has a bland personality, then I disagree with that as well. I think he has more personality then a lot of other characters.
As for Daisy, she is not much more than a color swap for Peach, as opposed to Toad who would have a completely unique move set.
You ever play super mario strikers? Its the soccer mario game, You see alot of the persona of daisy there, And it is alot more interesting and even more fun then peaches.
Where toad is just meh.. lol I know hes old and all that but he just doesn't do much, Daisy also seems like a tomboy which makes her more unique since shes a "Princess"
I guess it depends what you are looking for in new characters. My first priority is what kind of moveset they could bring, as opposed to their persona. But even still, I don't see Toad as meh.
If you play any of the Mario RPGs, you will notice that Toad actually has some good one liners. I still remember when Mario comes crashing through the roof in Super Mario RPG and Toad says to Mario "Most people use what's called a door." Haha, I love that little guy.
Dark Matter has made an appearance in some shape, form, or storyline tidbit in every mainstream Kirby game, except possibly Superstar.
Spoilers about Dark Matter, or at least my theory on it:
KDL1: King Dedede is stealing all the food in Dream Land because he is being possessed by Dark Matter! Kirby beats him up and walks away.
KDL2: Dark Matter is still in King Dedede so he tries again. Kirby uses the power of rainbow candies to extract the Dark Matter, compress it into an eyeform, and vanquish it.
KDL3: After a taste of pop star, Dark Matter wants more of its cheer to corrupt. It launches a worldwide assault and all of that is compressed into an entity called 0
Adventure: Meta Knight seals a wizard possessed by Dark Matter into the planet's Fountain of Dreams. Kirby unlocks and destroys it.
Superstar: Marx, seemingly innocent, makes Kirby activate all the Star Rods in the galaxy to summon the clockwork star, Nova, and uses it to grant the wish of control over Pop Star. Marx is blasted into the Nova, destroys it, and then the Dark Matter possessing his weakened body combines him with the leftover Nova parts to create Marx Soul.
64: Dark Matter launches an assault on the solar system, saving Pop Star for last. All the dark matter in the system combines itself, when expelled by the Crystal Shards, into 0²
Amazing Mirror: A portal opens to a dimension mirroring pop stars, where another Nightmare, or perhaps the same one returned, takes over the planet. This time, when the Master Sword defeats him, the Dark Matter comes out and creates a large eyeball similar to 0.
Canvas Curse: A powerful witch that mastered Paint ability is possessed by Dark Matter and nearly recreates all of Pop Star. Drawcia's body is weakened and, like Marx, completely taken over by the Dark Matter to create the goopy Drawcia Soul.
Squeak Squad: The Squeak Squad goes after a treasure chest guarded by Meta Knight, containing an ancient form of Dark Matter, the Dark Star, which is vanquished by the Triple Star.
Big Spoiler below:
Return to Dream Land: Magolor, a being similar to Marx, crashes his Starcutter into Pop Star, coerces Kirby into repairing it. Kirby defeats Landia, Magolor grabs the Master Crown and commands the Starcutter toward Pop Star. Magolor is defeated after a lengthy battle involving Miracle Matter that the Grand Doomer employed before, and the dark matter takes over his soul, combining him with the warped dimensional rift, to create Magolor Soul. Note the eyeform where his mouth should be. If you got all 120 Energy Spheres, Magolor would tell you that the Star Rod, Triple Star, basically everything ever used against Dark Matter, with the Nova and Starcutter added onto that, were created in Egg Engines, making it seem like an ancient military base in the fight against Dark Matter.
So yeah, the entire Kirby series is based around the eternal struggle against Dark Matter.
You ever play super mario strikers? Its the soccer mario game, You see alot of the persona of daisy there, And it is alot more interesting and even more fun then peaches.
Where toad is just meh.. lol I know hes old and all that but he just doesn't do much, Daisy also seems like a tomboy which makes her more unique since shes a "Princess"
Toad still does a lot more than Daisy ever has. The problem is... okay, she plays sports, annoys people to death with her horrid voice, and was so bad to get a terrible clone. Oh, and she's still a Princess.
Have you played Super Princess Peach? Or Super Mario RPG? Peach may be a frilly princess, but she's a powerful fighter who will go out of her way to save people. Mostly Mario, though. What the hell has Daisy done in comparison? I don't consider "sports" really anything special.
Hell, Waluigi has actually been an antagonist atleast, and has tried to stop people and has lied and cheated. He's even more interesting than Daisy. Plus, Daisy has a costume with Peach. You can effectively play as her already.
Toad is ten times more unique than Daisy ever was. The fact that he has a game where he stars directly as the hero says something. Or the fact that he got chosen over both Daisy and Peach(and even possibly Wario and/or Waluigi) to join the Mario Bros. to fight all 8 Koopalings(including Bowser Jr.)
Look, as I said before, I do not like Toad that much. But to say... he isn't important or interesting? Have you really played any games where he does more than be a guy in the castle that gives items/information? Like any game he's playable. Hell, he's a key character in Super Mario Galaxy. To deny his key role in the series is ludicrous.
Dark Matter has made an appearance in some shape, form, or storyline tidbit in every mainstream Kirby game, except possibly Superstar.
Spoilers about Dark Matter, or at least my theory on it:
KDL1: King Dedede is stealing all the food in Dream Land because he is being possessed by Dark Matter! Kirby beats him up and walks away.
KDL2: Dark Matter is still in King Dedede so he tries again. Kirby uses the power of rainbow candies to extract the Dark Matter, compress it into an eyeform, and vanquish it.
KDL3: After a taste of pop star, Dark Matter wants more of its cheer to corrupt. It launches a worldwide assault and all of that is compressed into an entity called 0
Adventure: Meta Knight seals a wizard possessed by Dark Matter into the planet's Fountain of Dreams. Kirby unlocks and destroys it.
Superstar: Marx, seemingly innocent, makes Kirby activate all the Star Rods in the galaxy to summon the clockwork star, Nova, and uses it to grant the wish of control over Pop Star. Marx is blasted into the Nova, destroys it, and then the Dark Matter possessing his weakened body combines him with the leftover Nova parts to create Marx Soul.
64: Dark Matter launches an assault on the solar system, saving Pop Star for last. All the dark matter in the system combines itself, when expelled by the Crystal Shards, into 0²
Amazing Mirror: A portal opens to a dimension mirroring pop stars, where another Nightmare, or perhaps the same one returned, takes over the planet. This time, when the Master Sword defeats him, the Dark Matter comes out and creates a large eyeball similar to 0.
Canvas Curse: A powerful witch that mastered Paint ability is possessed by Dark Matter and nearly recreates all of Pop Star. Drawcia's body is weakened and, like Marx, completely taken over by the Dark Matter to create the goopy Drawcia Soul.
Squeak Squad: The Squeak Squad goes after a treasure chest guarded by Meta Knight, containing an ancient form of Dark Matter, the Dark Star, which is vanquished by the Triple Star.
Big Spoiler below:
Return to Dream Land: Magolor, a being similar to Marx, crashes his Starcutter into Pop Star, coerces Kirby into repairing it. Kirby defeats Landia, Magolor grabs the Master Crown and commands the Starcutter toward Pop Star. Magolor is defeated after a lengthy battle involving Miracle Matter that the Grand Doomer employed before, and the dark matter takes over his soul, combining him with the warped dimensional rift, to create Magolor Soul. Note the eyeform where his mouth should be. If you got all 120 Energy Spheres, Magolor would tell you that the Star Rod, Triple Star, basically everything ever used against Dark Matter, with the Nova and Starcutter added onto that, were created in Egg Engines, making it seem like an ancient military base in the fight against Dark Matter.
So yeah, the entire Kirby series is based around the eternal struggle against Dark Matter.
Quick question: Where is ANY of that(minus the eye in MS's mouth) in RtDL? Cuz I completely 100% both versions and didn't see **** about Miracle Matter or the Star Rod.
Your missing out, the Paper Mario's are awesome. I think the second one has been the best so far, but if you like RPGs I would highly recommend any of them. It's interesting, if you play the second and third Paper Mario's through to the end, you will notice they have relatively dark themes for a Mario game (Peach being posessed by an ancient demon, the destruction of reality, Mario in the netherrealm, ect.).
Your missing out, the Paper Mario's are awesome. I think the second one has been the best so far, but if you like RPGs I would highly recommend any of them. It's interesting, if you play the second and third Paper Mario's through to the end, you will notice they have relatively dark themes for a Mario game (Peach being posessed by an ancient demon, the destruction of reality, Mario in the netherrealm, ect.).
People being made of paper contributes to the unique gameplay. And I said it was dark relative to a Mario game. How many other games outside Super Paper Mario has Mario actually died and gone to the underworld?
So Toad has less of a chance because he's bland? I guess Mario should go too if that's the case along with the rest of the silent protagonists.
Sure, some of the other characters like Daisy may have stronger personalities; however, characters like Mario, Peach, Toad, and Yoshi tend to have shallow personalities because they are commonly used as heroes in the games (often which the player controls or interacts with). Toad has played a large part in Nintendo's history and has built himself as one of Nintendo's most iconic characters. Unlike other potential Mario candidates, Toad is playable in the platformers and has saved the Mushroom Kingdom himself in his own game. He has also helped Mario more times than any other character in the series in his adventures.
Also Toad has shown plenty of personality as well. Fortune Street is a prime example to see personalities of the Mario characters. Anyways, Toad does have a personality and is generally known for being loyal, kind, and sometimes cowardly (though brave when the need calls for it). The little guy may not be as upbeat as Daisy, Waluigi, etc are; however, it is nice to have a kind and joyful figure around at times.
So Toad has less of a chance because he's bland? I guess Mario should go too if that's the case along with the rest of the silent protagonists.
Sure, some of the other characters like Daisy may have stronger personalities; however, characters like Mario, Peach, Toad, and Yoshi tend to have shallow personalities because they are commonly used as heroes in the game (often which the player controls or interacts with). Toad has played a large part in Nintendo's history and has built himself as one of Nintendo's most iconic characters.
Also Toad has shown plenty of personality as well. Fortune Street is a prime example to see personalities of the Mario characters. Anyways, Toad does have a personality and is generally known for being loyal, kind, and sometimes cowardly (though brave when the need calls for it)..
Sorry mario, But the princess is in anougher castle.
Lol, I'm just messing with ya now the koopa brought up a good point from mario rpg tho about his persona, But I still don't see him as a fighter.
Don't try to ruthlessly cannibalize me now that I've said that, But I've never seen him with any sort of threatening role. And little kung fuu jestures don't count.
Quick question: Where is ANY of that(minus the eye in MS's mouth) in RtDL? Cuz I completely 100% both versions and didn't see **** about Miracle Matter or the Star Rod.
Miracle Matter: The Grand Doomer surrounds itself with Miracle Matter in its final phase. Magolor does the same. Only Super Abilities pierce it.
Star Rod: Talk to Magolor in EX Mode when you have 120 Energy Spheres.
Miracle Matter: The Grand Doomer surrounds itself with Miracle Matter in its final phase. Magolor does the same. Only Super Abilities pierce it.
Star Rod: Talk to Magolor in EX Mode when you have 120 Energy Spheres.
I would like Zero 2 as a character, He can use his other forms as attacks or something.
Real interesting character from kirby who doesn't even fit the theme of kirby.
^Oh, don't worry I won't force you to want Toad. However, I just feel it is wrong to eliminate Toad's chances because he isn't cool or interesting enough (I'm not referring to you, but with others in general).
I think a lot of non Toad supporters would be surprised if they've seen how much Toad can actually do in the games he was playable in. If he does get in, I'd imagine that Toad would definitely get a unique moveset. I mean Peach got in with only SMB2 and SMRPG under her belt in Melee, and yet she still had a very unique movepool.
Sorry mario, But the princess is in anougher castle.
Lol, I'm just messing with ya now the koopa brought up a good point from mario rpg tho about his persona, But I still don't see him as a fighter.
Don't try to ruthlessly cannibalize me now that I've said that, But I've never seen him with any sort of threatening role. And little kung fuu jestures don't count.
Dark Matter has made an appearance in some shape, form, or storyline tidbit in every mainstream Kirby game, except possibly Superstar.
Spoilers about Dark Matter, or at least my theory on it:
KDL1: King Dedede is stealing all the food in Dream Land because he is being possessed by Dark Matter! Kirby beats him up and walks away.
KDL2: Dark Matter is still in King Dedede so he tries again. Kirby uses the power of rainbow candies to extract the Dark Matter, compress it into an eyeform, and vanquish it.
KDL3: After a taste of pop star, Dark Matter wants more of its cheer to corrupt. It launches a worldwide assault and all of that is compressed into an entity called 0
Adventure: Meta Knight seals a wizard possessed by Dark Matter into the planet's Fountain of Dreams. Kirby unlocks and destroys it.
Superstar: Marx, seemingly innocent, makes Kirby activate all the Star Rods in the galaxy to summon the clockwork star, Nova, and uses it to grant the wish of control over Pop Star. Marx is blasted into the Nova, destroys it, and then the Dark Matter possessing his weakened body combines him with the leftover Nova parts to create Marx Soul.
64: Dark Matter launches an assault on the solar system, saving Pop Star for last. All the dark matter in the system combines itself, when expelled by the Crystal Shards, into 0²
Amazing Mirror: A portal opens to a dimension mirroring pop stars, where another Nightmare, or perhaps the same one returned, takes over the planet. This time, when the Master Sword defeats him, the Dark Matter comes out and creates a large eyeball similar to 0.
Canvas Curse: A powerful witch that mastered Paint ability is possessed by Dark Matter and nearly recreates all of Pop Star. Drawcia's body is weakened and, like Marx, completely taken over by the Dark Matter to create the goopy Drawcia Soul.
Squeak Squad: The Squeak Squad goes after a treasure chest guarded by Meta Knight, containing an ancient form of Dark Matter, the Dark Star, which is vanquished by the Triple Star.
Big Spoiler below:
Return to Dream Land: Magolor, a being similar to Marx, crashes his Starcutter into Pop Star, coerces Kirby into repairing it. Kirby defeats Landia, Magolor grabs the Master Crown and commands the Starcutter toward Pop Star. Magolor is defeated after a lengthy battle involving Miracle Matter that the Grand Doomer employed before, and the dark matter takes over his soul, combining him with the warped dimensional rift, to create Magolor Soul. Note the eyeform where his mouth should be. If you got all 120 Energy Spheres, Magolor would tell you that the Star Rod, Triple Star, basically everything ever used against Dark Matter, with the Nova and Starcutter added onto that, were created in Egg Engines, making it seem like an ancient military base in the fight against Dark Matter.
So yeah, the entire Kirby series is based around the eternal struggle against Dark Matter.
A lot of that is only your "theory" as none of that has been proven whatsoever except for the games Dark Matter actually WAS in.
Kirby 1: Dedede was just being a prick. Remember that Dedede is a greedy glutton. Dark Matter didn't debut until Dream Land 2 anyway.
Kirby 2: Dedede became possessed in this game. He was not possessed prior to it.
Kirby 3: We learn that Dark Matter is not a single entity, but a multitude creation of Zero. Dark Matter didn't "develop a taste", Zero used it again to attack Dream Land.
Adventure: Came before Dream Land 2, so Dark Matter had nothing to do with it. Nightmare was a seperate evil entity. It's not like every "evil" character has to be possessed by Dark Matter. And it was Dedede, not Meta Knight.
Super Star (Ultra): Uh, no. That was Marx absorbing what was left of Nova and its power. Again; not every villain needs Dark Matter to be a villain.
64: You are mixed up. 02, being the revived Zero, is the one that CREATED the Dark Matter. They didn't "form" into 02. The fused to form the Dark Star, and it had 02 waiting inside, but they did not form 02.
Amazing Mirror: That was Dark Mind, not Nightmare, not Dark Matter, not Zero. Remember, this is an alternate world.
Canvas Curse: Same as Nightmare and Marx; A VILLAIN DOES NOT NEED DARK MATTER TO BE A VILLAIN.
Squeak Squad: That is Dark Nebula. Seeing as there's little backstory to it, we have no idea if it's related to Dark Matter or not, but to classify it as an "ancient form" of Dark Matter is rediculous.
Return to Dream Land: This is the only one that actually has a possibility for Dark Matter, but only because of the eyeball on Magolor Soul. Until it's outright confirmed, though, it's only speculation.
A lot of that is only your "theory" as none of that has been proven whatsoever except for the games Dark Matter actually WAS in.
Kirby 1: Dedede was just being a prick. Remember that Dedede is a greedy glutton. Dark Matter didn't debut until Dream Land 2 anyway.
Kirby 2: Dedede became possessed in this game. He was not possessed before.
Kirby 3: We learn that Dark Matter is not a single entity, but a multitude creation of Zero. Dark Matter didn't "develop a taste", Zero used it again to attack Dream Land.
Adventure: Came before Dream Land 2, so Dark Matter had nothing to do with it. Nightmare was a seperate evil entity. It's not like every "evil" character has to be possessed by Dark Matter. And it was Dedede, not Meta Knight.
Super Star (Ultra): Uh, no. That was Marx absorbing what was left of Nova and its power. Again; not every villain needs Dark Matter to be a villain.
64: You are mixed up. 02, being the revived Zero, is the one that CREATED the Dark Matter. They didn't "form" into 02. The fused to form the Dark Star, and it had 02 waiting inside, but they did not form 02.
Amazing Mirror: That was Dark Mind, not Nightmare, not Dark Matter, not Zero. Remember, this is an alternate world.
Canvas Curse: Same as Nightmare and Marx; A VILLAIN DOES NOT NEED DARK MATTER TO BE A VILLAIN.
Squeak Squad: That is Dark Nebula. Seeing as there's little backstory to it, we have no idea if it's related to Dark Matter or not, but to classify it as an "ancient form" of Dark Matter is rediculous.
Return to Dream Land: This is the only one that actually has a possibility for Dark Matter, but only because of the eyeball on Magolor Soul. Until it's outright confirmed, though, it's only speculation.
Dark matter who is Zero 2 hasn't appeared since his defeat, Except as a small boss mini game in one of the other titles. This does not mean he has returned.
Dark matter who is Zero 2 hasn't appeared since his defeat, Except as a small boss mini game in one of the other titles. This does not mean he has returned.
You know, I find it funny that we're all arguing about Dark Matter/Zero/Zero 2/Nightmare/Dark Mind/Dark Nebula/Marx/Drawcia/Magolor/Dedede when IMO NONE of them(except D3, mind you) will probably ever be playable.
It helps that most Nintendo characters haven't been given endearing personalities outside of a few series. I remember hearing Svetta was considered rather in-depth for a Nintendo character.
****ing high five for the Tom Nook shoutout. You better watch out around these parts. Most people loathe the idea of an AC character or would much prefer the "Crosser" (gayest name ever.) You never know, though. Sakurai could surprise us.
So this makes four people in this thread that want him. Honestly, after seeing Capcom pulling Phoenix Wright off, I could see Tom Nook working in a way that's faithful to him.
I was thinking more of an El Fuerte-esque moveset considering they're both short, speedy, strong characters. Berserker and I worked on a moveset together to illustrate this possibility and how it wouldn't be out of character.
You know, I find it funny that we're all arguing about Dark Matter/Zero/Zero 2/Nightmare/Dark Mind/Dark Nebula/Marx/Drawcia/Magolor/Dedede when IMO NONE of them(except D3, mind you) will probably ever be playable.
It would seem that I have roughly 1,000 more posts than Starphoenix in this thread. Starphoenix of course has the third highest amount of posts. Which is weird considering he doesn't post all that often? I guess he just GETS IN THE MOOD on occasion.
I was thinking more of an El Fuerte-esque moveset considering they're both short, speedy, strong characters. Berserker and I worked on a moveset together to illustrate this possibility and how it wouldn't be out of character.
However, all three parts to Pit's story are already out. Considering that Uprising will be released in about a week, I think we will definitely be seeing at least one of the Palutena or Medusa's OVAs before its released. Nintendo really seems to putting out all the stops for this game.
Exciting news for me! Metroid prime hunters is getting an sequel to its well received first one on the 3DS!
I remain steadfast and confident that one of the hunters or more will make it into SSB4.
SPOILER:
The story EFFING TAKES PLACE AFTER METROID PRIME 3! THAT SHIP MUST HAVE BEEN SYLUX! Sylux's ship has the same moving parts that the one in prime 3 did in the 100% ending. And if you played metroid prime 3, You know the galactic federation ain't doing so hot, And sylux is going after them while they are weak.