New Smash Bros for WiiU

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No sources this time. Just Pokefandom and paying attention to Serebii for the past 10 years.

I can go into even more detail if you want though.

 

[Oasis_S]

Assuming we ever get a 6th Gen in the first place. I don't even think we'll get that far, and would get a real Pokemon Grey first.

Lolol this guy.

 

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Never mind, I'm going to pull a Toise and say that I forgot what I was saying or am feeling too lazy.

This discussion is silly anyway. I'm off to bed. Later.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Night, Mewthree.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

I'm sorry if I step on any toes here, but I'll rage uncontrollably for eternity if I don't get it out of my system now. From what I've read on the last few pages, this doesn't apply to anyone here, but I reeeeally need to vent.

Regarding the announcement of Pokemon Black & White 2: If you are raging at the top of your internet lungs that the games are not being released on the 3DS, you are, and I don't use this phrase lightly, an idiot.

Heck, I would question your rationale for even expecting them to come out on the 3DS. You would not believe the amount of negative feedback I'm seeing in (admittedly moron-filled) comment sections on news sites. Everyone seems to think that the Pokemon Company is being "lazy" and is "wasting a huge opportunity" by not putting the sequels to Black and White on the newest handheld. To expect the third versions (or in this case, third and fourth) of a generation of Pokemon games to be released on a console that is not the one that the generation originated on is borderline insane, considering that it has never been done ever ever. Also, you say that "this just shows that Nintendo is milking the franchise and that they won't let it 'evolve' (a moronic phrase that originated from the IGN reviews of Black & White)?" Well that makes you a f*cking @sshat. How proud you must be of your perceived insightfulness. May your sensationalism bring you all the faux wisdom in the known universe.

Also, when do you folks think Black & White 2 were being developed? If not alongside Black & White, I would say that they began production damn near after the originals were finished. Producing a 5th gen game in full 3D for the 3DS would've taken years. I promise you we wouldn't be getting them this soon (Fall 2012 in Japan at the earliest). Then you'd just be *****ing about how long it was taking them to make the new 5th gen game.

And yes, it clearly was a terrible move to release the direct sequels to some of the fastest selling Pokemon titles in the franchise's history on a console that has an install base that is smaller than the console on which the generation started. Oh, wait- no it wasn't. The biggest target audience for Black & White 2 is Pokemon fans who played Black & White on the for the DS. Not everyone who played the originals was playing on a 3DS; most were playing on their DSi/Lite/Phat. The worst possible thing to do would be to release a 3DS only sequel, burning all the Black & White fans that don't yet have a 3DS. They would either have to go out and buy one (not a bad thing, necessarily; I love my 3DS), or just not play the sequels.

But the thing I would most berate the baseless critics about is the fact that we're getting something that's a pretty radical and significant departure from tradition. My mind is reeling with the possibilities, and I am unbelievably excited. Black and White Kyurem? Yes, please. Heck, I have no idea what to expect from these games, simply because there have never been in-generation direct sequels to Pokemon games plot-wise (assuming that's the case with Black & White 2). And that's something that excites me.


Thank you for putting up with my rant. It is now over. I'm sorry if you are one of the people I mentioned above. Kind of sorry. Just a little.

 

[Johnknight1]

Holy crap, you guys posted about 21 pages of 20 posts in the 12 hours I was gone! Did anything exciting get revealed or something=???

Perhaps some of you may have finished or gotten far in Uprising...

 

[Deleted member]

If it didn't apply to anyone here, why vent here? Seriously.

Holy crap, you guys posted about 21 pages of 20 posts in the 12 hours I was gone! Did anything exciting get revealed or something=???

Perhaps some of you may have finished or gotten far in Uprising...

Yes. Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 have been revealed for the DS.
Kyurem has two new forms that look like fusions between it and Reshiram or Zekrom.
Those new forms are in the upcoming movie.
Meloetta has been revealed for the Pika Short that goes with the movie.

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah, you could have said what I feel simply:

Personally (this is me talking about my feelings), I am glad Black and White were for the DS because I don't own a 3DS. Thus, I was able to play, enjoy, and own Black version. That helps when you are a monetarily limited college student who doesn't expect their parents to buy all the crap in the world for them (I don't think they should even if they had the money). It's just more motivation to get the hell out of college.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

If it didn't apply to anyone here, why vent here? Seriously.

Unfortunately, I have nowhere else to vent. And it seems that my arguments would fall on deaf ears elsewhere. Honestly, I'd rather have you guys not care about it than use it as troll bait in the comments section of Joystiq. At least the people here can agree with me or intelligently point out flaws in my logic.

 

[Johnknight1]

You seem to have a problem with long posts GiantBread... which is what I am famous for!

Basically, just use my method:
Keep
It
Simple,
Stupid!

You probably type fairly fast like I do, but just get to the point. Unless you're gonna give a research thesis or you are talking to multiple people, keep it simple man. I know I have to slow down and do that to myself every once in a while.

Also, I promised this was random Mega Man plug weekend, so MEGA MAN FOR SMASH!!!
*this message is endorsed by "The Official Campaign for Captain Falcon for President in 2012."*

 

[Deleted member]

Kyurem for Smash! Kyurem for Smash! Kyurem for Smash! Kyurem for Smash! Kyurem for Smash! Kyurem for Smash!

I fully support Black/White Kyurem in Smash, with regular Kyurem as a Final Smash.

 

[Johnknight1]

You sure like stealing my ideas, doncha Golden...

Seriously, that made me think of something. I think I was a little weirded out when I first visited this thread because suddenly everyone respected me immediately. Back in the pre-Brawl days, I always asked for Chrono's and Wiseguy's input.

And Pokémon Black and White versions 2=??? What type of crap is this=??? If these are standalone games, they better be at a discount price or be a discount for people who already own either version, otherwise I'm not buying that crap.

Dang censor is censoring a non swear word in my image, lol! Oh well, this image will work well too...

Spoiler

This sums up what I feel pretty nicely... except I didn't beat my wife like a jerk and I am not a racist prick who has destroyed a sport (like Floyd the chicken Mayweather Jr).

 

[GiantBreadbug]

What I'm wondering is, will there be a "complete" Kyurem? I mean, the whole Black/White Kyurem situation seems to support the notion that Reshiram and Zekrom were once one creature that was split in two. So will there be a form where all three are fused together? 'Cause if so, that would be awesome. I would hope, if that were to happen, it would be a Fire/Electric type. Dragon is neat, but overrated.

 

[Deleted member]

You sure like stealing my ideas, doncha Golden...

Seriously, that made me think of something. I think I was a little weirded out when I first visited this thread because suddenly everyone respected me immediately. Back in the pre-Brawl days, I always asked for Chrono's and Wiseguy's input.

And Pokémon Black and White versions 2=??? What type of crap is this=??? If these are standalone games, they better be at a discount price or be a discount for people who already own either version, otherwise I'm not buying that crap.
*dang censor is censoring a non swear word in my image, lol!*
This sums up what I feel pretty nicely.

They're sequels, not "version 2"s.
Direct sequels.

 

[Johnknight1]

What method of release=??? DLC=??? If it's DLC with good content, I am willing to pay for it, whether it be a new region, access to a different region, a boatload of new areas (seriously, I want to be able to explore vast amounts of WILD WILDERNESS-or visit actual cities with stuff to do), new Pokémon, new events, the ability to actually have rematches with trainers... WHATEVER! If it is anything like that, and it is good, I am willing to pay for it if it's not too expensive.

If it's free, I will never complain about it ever. *cheap is good* Otherwise, no.

On a side note, I wouldn't oppose such an idea with Smash Wii U or 3DS by any means.

 

[Deleted member]

You're joking, right?

These, I repeat, are NOT the same games with bonus content. These are sequels.
To ask for them to be free or cheap is selfish. Might as well ask Sakurai to make SSB4 free.

This isn't a case like Super Street Fighter IV or Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3.

 

[Johnknight1]

Well in that case, I got a feeling they are probably mostly re-releases. That or a brand new story taken place in the not so distant future. But man, the Pokémon series is really w***ing itself out if this becomes a new trend. We already get a remake of the generation 3 generations ago, we might start getting remakes of the remakes of the first few generations, we got a boatload of spin-offs that don't amount to anything, and an anime.

For once, I am thankful we only get so much of smash. I mean, literally, we will get 40% of the smash games in the next 2-5 years. To be honest, I am fairly content with the little amount of smash we have. It makes you appreciate each game, including Brawl I played Brawl for the first time in about four months today; beat a bunch of single-player modes, including Boss Battle on Intense (which was surprisingly easy with Donkey Kong). As much as I don't like Brawl (in terms of watching) as a competitive game, Brawl sure as heck is a fun party fighting game and has a lot of great party mechanics that make the game have some fun despite it's (major) flaws.

For that to happen with Pokémon, Game Freak and the Pokémon Company would need to release about 60 games in that span!

 

[Deleted member]

My only concern with this is all the fans that'll demand Venustoise or Zapmolcuno now that we have sort of a Poke-fusion.

 

[Johnknight1]

Venastoise... HAHA! I remember that episode!

But yeah, that would be all kinds of silly. 649 Pokémon times 649 Pokémon (assuming any could be fused with another, including of the same species) would equal... 421,201 Pokémon (says my calculator). There is no way in heck we are getting that many Pokémon... at least not this century. After that, we'll get a thousand a generation.

But yeah, if it's a new story line and has a boatload of new stuff, and actually brings back all the great cut content from Diamond/Pearl, Platinum, and Heart Gold/Soul Silver, then I would fork out money for it.

As far as smash goes, I'll buy anything that is a smash game for any amount of money I can afford because that stuff is premium all the time. Seriously, if you haven't put a thousand hours into a smash bros game and you are on this site, there is something wrong with you. I've easily put in that many with each smash bros game.

Edit: The "regular forms" of those box art legendary Pokémon looked like Digimon already. Now their "super form" looks even more like that. I wouldn't be surprised if you had to "Digivolve" them in order to reach the "super forms"...

Edit 2: Now the question as to which new Pokémon may be in smash is a huge question. Seriously, we could still have Zoroark or Victini, but we could also have a boatload of others now. Heck, we might even have a super ultra mega form of Zoroark or Victini. You thought Victini was cute=??? Well now it has TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED TANKS ON IT'S BACK, IT EATS AND KILLS YOUR OPPONENTS' POKEMON WHENEVER IT IS HUNGRY, AND IT USES SEVERED DEAD BABY HEADS AS SHOES!!!

 

[Deleted member]

Err...I've already said those are forms for Kyurem.

They are "Black Kyurem" and "White Kyurem".

 

[GiantBreadbug]

I don't think that the Black/White Kyurem is the result of just any ol' fusion. It lends itself to the theory that Zekrom and Reshiram were a single entity before the Great War, and the remains of their split was Kyurem. So I don't think we need to be worrying about other Pokemon fusing. As I mentioned before, though, I do wonder if there'll be a "complete" Kyurem with it, Zekrom, and Reshiram as one, like they were originally. I want. I want so hard.

 

[Deleted member]

Wait until B/W 3 or "Gray".

 

[Johnknight1]

Golden, we might get both of those.

Also, Pokémon fusion theories=??? Ugh, I haven't seen this crap before, but I am already sick of it. I hated hearing about Digimon fusions/evolutions and how many there were back in grade school. As long as y'all (as in mostly the people who aren't on the thread right now who we know are legally documented Poké Maniacs) don't go super duper deep into the Pokéverse, I am cool with it. Just, again keep it simple so the rest of us who don't know everything about Pokémon ever can understand...

 

[Deleted member]

ACTUALLY, I have another theory.

You know how Kyurem is the result of both dragons being seperated from the original dragon?

What if these alt forms are just if ONE part left the original dragon while the second stayed?

Example:

Original Dragon - Reshiram and Zekrom = Kyurem
Original Dragon - Zekrom = White Kyurem
Original Dragon - Reshiram = Black Kyurem

 

[Johnknight1]

I love Kyurem and all, but man, they are straight up turning it into Deoxys, especially if they give him another form for an inevitable Grey version or even a Black III and White III to complete "a trilogy."

I think that the Pokémon Company should make a complete and totally memorizing game before making direct sequels. Literally Pokémon Black and White were nowhere near as good as Heart Gold and Soul Silver in terms of mechanics, stuff to do, size, vastness, and overall experience. If the Pokémon Company had maintained that level of greatness they achieved with Heart Gold and Soul Silver, I don't think there would be much negative criticism at all.

This all makes me, again, thankful that each Smash Bros game is completely different. I hate how everything needs a sequel that only serves to "complete" the previous game (mostly the story) and fix all the issues. Screw it, let's make a new game (sometimes in the same series) with new mechanics and new issues.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Hmmm... That would also make sense, and keep the sort of exclusivity between versions, with White/Black Kyurem being more than simply a combination of two Pokemon.

If what you're saying is true (and it does make sense), then Black and White Kyurem would be separate Pokemon. I mean, that sort of breaks up the idea of the third versions of any generation being the "neutral," which is what everyone expected from what we thought would be Grey. But hey, these games are anything but traditional, so that isn't far fetched (almost typed that as Farfetch'd). Also, who would N control? I guess if you're playing Black, then you get White Kyurem/N gets regular ol' Zekrom and vice versa?

I would still hope that there were some way to bring the two together for a complete dragon. Something about symmetry and neutrality in the Pokemon games makes me happy.

@John Also I disagree that Black and White are inferior to HG & SS. Hugely obsessive Pokemaniac here, and I thought 5th gen was the best since 1st gen on the Gameboy (didn't care too much for the 1st gen remakes, though). For me, it's just about how many awesome Pokemon there are. I am actually motivated to catch, and raise, them all now. But different strokes for different folks, I guess.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, Masuda interestingly listed them as seperate Pokemon, so that may be the case...

EDIT: Also, unlike B/W, B/W2 has the color match the Pokemon. White Kyurem for White 2, Black Kyurem for Black 2.

 

[Johnknight1]

Oh no, don't get me wrong, Gen 5 was my favorite since Gen 2 and the Gen 2 remakes (including the new Pokémon, which I mostly like), it's just the way the game is presented is bad. I love that they took out most of the classic Pokémon for the most part (and focus early on specifically on new Pokémon).

It's just you can't get rematches with trainers conveniently like in HG/SS, the menu isn't as easy (the menu for HG/SS was perfect), your Pokémon no longer follow you, and really there doesn't feel like there is a whole lot to do or a whole lot to explore. Unova isn't small, but it isn't big. Black and White don't have as many things to motivate me to play them on a regular basis, unlike HG/SS.

@ Golden
I noticed that.. It is fairly interesting. The whole yin-yang (and whatever the 3rd one is called) thing is totally going on in these games. I hope they don't over blow that theme to where it is totally annoying!

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Hmm. This is shaping up to be really interesting. I hope that these end up being done in a way such that another game/set of games isn't necessary.

@John I absolutely see what you mean about Gold/Silver having better features. I can't believe they removed the Pokémon following behind feature. And you'd think they could make Unova a bit more expansive, considering what they did with 2nd Gen on the Gameboy Color. And where the eff was the VS. Seeker for 5th Gen? I was really upset when I learned that when I got Black & White.

As for replayability, I don't know what it is about the new Pokémon, but I literally train my team every day (usually in Nimbasa's Sports Domes). When they reach Level 100 and their EVs are to my liking, I trade them over to the opposite version and start over. There are just sooooo many Pokémon I want to raise.

 

[Baskerville]

Gen 5 > Gen 3 > Gen 2 > Gen 4 > Gen 1
Gen 5 just does so many things right.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Today I discovered Kirby's Cook kills Pokémon. O.o

 

[Linkshot]

Kirby's Cook consumes all articles.

As for my take on B2&W2...why's everybody getting so negative? GSC was a direct sequel to RBY. That's how B2&W2 will probably play in relation to B&W.

 

[Pachinkosam]

You guys are so late

btw: Everybody gets negative you guys need to go to the debate hall.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Version two of two games..? I'm sorry, but I actually think that idea is kinda lame.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

With this news on Pokemon, I'm completely unsure of who is the best rep.

Clearly, the likes of Zoroark and Victini are out with.

Would it be Kyurem, despite being another "bigger than Bowser" character like Ridley and K. Rool?

I still see Kyurem as a potential boss. Of course, the two forms may add an extra twist to the fight.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Kyurem for Smash! Kyurem for Smash! Kyurem for Smash! Kyurem for Smash! Kyurem for Smash! Kyurem for Smash!

I fully support Black/White Kyurem in Smash, with regular Kyurem as a Final Smash.

In the long run, it really isn't.

Hell, now that Meloetta's been revealed already, I feel Genesect is the biggest choice outside Kyurem.

Pretty much this

I feel they're all awful choices compared to Mewtwo.

Umm, almost every Pokemon is an awful choice compared to Mewtwo

 

[SmashChu]

Pokemon Company may force his hand to make a late addition if they do have as much control over Smash Bros.'s Pokemon content as Sakurai says. Considering that Sakurai is a Fire Emblem fan and that he still had to go to Intelligent Systems on which Fire Emblem character to add as a newcomer in Brawl, I think that Sakurai will probably go to the Pokemon Company (or the Pokemon Company come to him), and give him the heads up about this new Pokemon before anyone else.

Oasis hit on it, but I don't think they have that much control over the game. He just meant they were strict with design and implementation. Even with the IS thing, he wanted an FE character but didn't know which one so he let them pick. I don't think they'll force him on anything.

BTW, one of the dumbest ideas Nintendo ever had was to make a Pokemon Company.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

I want Lyn for next smash.

Also, Mewtwo is probably the best choice but I don't see it happening.

I wonder what characters he'll choose and we'll actually see coming or getting cut.

Mewtwo I could see making it, but being changed as well as some others to not be clones.

The PK Kids do the same attacks, but the attacks play VERY differently so they're not clones like people say. They have different playstyles and all.

But as I was saying, I'd like to see Mewtwo maybe as a DLC. I'd rather see new characters first~

 

[yani]

I wouldn't mind all Melee cuts being DLC, but Mewtwo needs a SSE role imo.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

That would be nice, Mewtwo being in SSE...

Personally, I don't want SSB 3DS to have much SSE at all, I want most memory to go to characters/graphics/stages.

Wii U could go on with the SSE and do all the other things, but really... 3DS with SSE I wouldn't want all the memory to be used up by that.

Mewtwo would fit nicely though you're right about that.