New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Rosalina suporter]

Lol awwwwe hes got a cat is it on facebook too?

Mabe its a hint of more pets to be in ssb4. :D

 

[yani]

I don't know if he has a Facebook, but I wanna see his cat as an AT

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I don't know if he has a Facebook, but I wanna see his cat as an AT

AT drops. Sakurai's cat comes out. 'Aw, it's so cute...' Then... RABID CAT ATTACK!

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Finally bit more livelier here.

Hey guys. just wondering, what if the official art for SSB4 would be done by artists behind KI Uprising's art?

SSB4 then has high-quality anime-style (?) art around it, drawn in same way as for Uprising depicting Pit and his use of weapons, other characters like Palutena, Medusa, bosses, Magnus and like.
You could unlock more art by collecting huger pics than stickers which would be more rare. They can be then seen in the separate "Gallery Mode."

The art would depict characters and their abilities, stages, assist trophies, (maybe) items. Battle scenes, even artists' personally made scenes which maybe could characters doing else than fighting together, etc.

I think it would be appealing and all the characters would look great. (personally)
Also it wouldn't be so lazily recycled trophy-art like Brawl did with Dojo!!

Your thoughts on this?

 

[---]

Is Wolff really that broken in Shadow Dragon though? I tried him once, but he was unbearable..

I wouldn't say broken, it really just depends on how you use him, something of which most players have a hard time of doing on Wi-Fi. I beat people who use him all the time using lower tier characters.

Yeah, because she's already his Final Smash, and they could pull something like that, I feel those would better fit Palutena since she doesn't fight. Sakurai does love to accommodate popular characters that don't fight. UPRISING MAY CHANGE THAT SHE DOESN'T FIGHT OF COURSE. Still, I feel Medusa would have priority over her. They would both be pretty similar since they're goddesses, but Medusa would probably stand out more, especially from Pit, since she's the goddess of darkness. More complementary, y'know? It represents Kid Icarus pretty well anyway since you have Pit on the side of light, and Medusa on the side of darkness. Isn't that what it's all about? Forces of light against the forces of darkness?

STILL, this assumes Medusa will have popularity nearing Palutena's. And since they would BOTH make great additions, it really doesn't matter too much who has priority over the other.


Come at me, Tryphen.

Wow, it seems I'm becoming the KI guy around here. lol

Anyway a few quick points since you seem to want me to respond:

• It has been shown and stated in the KI games (in the original game, not to mention there's probably a good reason she carries weapons all the time) that Palutena can fight, so there's no problem there. She's no Pre-Melee Zelda at all.
  
• Pit's FS is based off of boss fights in the original KI, there Palutena never appeared during the fights so unlike Toad, she's really only there for eye candy and is easy to remove.
  
• Pit = Light? He doesn't really fit that, at least IMO. Especially looking at how Palutena is the goddesss of light, while Medusa is the goddess of darkness. Throw Dark Pit into the mix, and you can see that Pit himself isn't a pure as one would think.

I have more points, but I feel too lazy to discuss them not to mention that Uprising isn't even out yet. But in honesty I thought we were beyond adding a "something" character for the sole purpose of having a "something" character by now.

 

[Deleted member]

Speaking of story mode, does anyone else think it'd be better if the enemies were actual Nintendo baddies instead of the Primids? I mean we had Bowser's minions, but we could have had a lot more variety than just Goombas, Koopas, Hammer Bros, and Bullet Bills. Plus, most of the other series in the game had some baddies that could be used in story mode.

Also, was anyone else really disappointed with Brawl's boss fights? I was kind of expecting them to be based on the actual fights with said bosses in their original games but then they ended up being fairly generic beat-em'-up boss fights.

I obviously agree with the first paragraph. Next Adventure Mode better not have mostly generic enemies.

(I'm probably the only one who thinks that Pokemons could work at enemies, right?)

 

[Disfunkshunal]

When we talk about cuts we mainly refer to characters, what pokeball Pokemon or assist trophies do you guys think are most likely to be cut?

 

[Diddy Kong]

The ones becoming playable That excludes Waluigi of coarse.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

While there's a subject regarding Adventure Mode, I might as well input my cast positions...

Heroes
All
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser Jr.
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
Yoshi
Link
Zelda / Sheik
Toon Link
Samus / Zero Suit Samus
Captain Falcon
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede
Pit
Isaac
Fox McCloud
Falco Lombardi
Saki
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Pokemon Trainer
Zoroark
Olimar
Marth
Ike
Ness
Lucas
Starfy
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch
R.O.B.
Takamaru
Sonic the Hedgehog
Miles "Tails" Prower
White Mage
Black Mage

Comic Relief
Yoshi
King Dedede
Jigglypuff
Olimar
Lucas
Starfy

Damsels
Luigi
Peach
Donkey Kong
Zelda / Sheik
Ness
Miles "Tails" Prower
Black Mage

Villains
Leader
Nightmare (non-playable)

Generals
Bowser
King K. Rool
Ganondorf
Ridley
Black Shadow
King Dedede

Lower Ranked Operatives
Bowser Jr.
Wario
Samurai Goroh
Wolf O'Donnell
Leon Powalski

Non-Playable Members
King Boo
Tiki Tong
Stallord
Metroid Prime
Kyurem
Porky
Twinbellows
Dr. Eggman; utilizes his Egg Viper

Minions
Koopa Troop
Kremling Krew
Tiki Tak Tribe
Ganon's Army
Space Pirates
Various Kirby enemies
Star Fox Ruffians
Starmen (EarthBound)
Pig Mask Army
Eggman's Robots

Traitors
Bowser Jr.
King Dedede

Others
Neutral Bosses
Galacta Knight
Bahamut

Neutral Enemies
Galacta Knight's Meta-Knights
Various Final Fantasy creatures
Cactuars

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

When we talk about cuts we mainly refer to characters, what pokeball Pokemon or assist trophies do you guys think are most likely to be cut?

Hopefully none, except ATs that become characters. I don't want a repeat of what happened to Scizor and Onix, who I want to return. But if I had to pick one, I'd say Piplup. It's so useless... Plus it's basically Marill from Melee. I think Torterra should come in to do what Venusaur used to do, though.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I want some of the old ones back. And Meowth(out of any 1st Gen new ones, and personally the first I would choose) to become playable. If we don't get atleast one per Gen.

Anyway, what Poppy said. Any cut AT's should only be that way if they get playable status.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

^^^ That's funny because I love piplup and against someone who doesn't DI he's an automatic KO.

Another thing to think about is what stages from brawl only do you guys see returning? In melee we got 3 stages that represented Kirby, DK, and Yoshi series but in brawl we got 10 stages from melee that repped each franchise in the original ssb


Devil as an AT can be cut for me, he was super annoying and not in the slightly amusing way nintendogs were.

 

[Banjodorf]

Well I think maybe we could keep the Primids, maybe make them once again the minions of the overarching villain. BUT not making them as prominent is very important. The minions and villains of the respective series are definitely the most important thing to have. I'd love to see Kremlings and Tikis in a DK themed world, Koopas in Mario's or vice versa.

Waddle dees and doos and things in a Kirby stage, Slitherhens and Walrangutans in a Mother stage, etc. That would really add to the "complete" feel of a Nintendo all-star game like Smash. This NEEDS to happen.

 

[Oasis_S]

I have more points, but I feel too lazy to discuss them not to mention that Uprising isn't even out yet. But in honesty I thought we were beyond adding a "something" character for the sole purpose of having a "something" character by now.

I think I just always want to pester you since I'll always think Medusa would be the better addition for stupid reasons.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

^^^ That's funny because I love piplup and against someone who doesn't DI he's an automatic KO.

Another thing to think about is what stages from brawl only do you guys see returning? In melee we got 3 stages that represented Kirby, DK, and Yoshi series but in brawl we got 10 stages from melee that repped each franchise in the original ssb


Devil as an AT can be cut for me, he was super annoying and not in the slightly amusing way nintendogs were.

When I get Piplup, whoever I'm against just... jumps. LAME. Devil does suck.

Stages I KNOW will return:
Halberd
Port Town Aero Drive
New Pork City
Yoshi's Island
Rumble Falls
Lylat Cruise

Stages that I HOPE return:
Spear Pillar
Frigate Orpheon
Luigi's Mansion
Pirate Ship

Knowing Nintendo:
Pokémon Stadium 2
Norfair
Delfino Plaza
Bridge of Eldin

 

[Deleted member]

For assist Trophies, Little Mac so that he makes the transition to playable status. King Hippo/Glass Joe can replace him as Punch-Out!!'s AT.

For Pokeball, many past gen Pokemons. But for playable status, probably Meowth, although even that is unlikely.

I also recognized something. Noticed that in Melee that Mewtwo was emphasize over a 2nd gen Pokemon and that Pokemon Trainer was put in before Lucario according to the data we have for Brawl. I think this shows that the Pokemon Company has a bias towards the 1st gen to this date. It is possible that the return of Mewtwo be emphasize over that of Victini/Zoroark/6th gen Pokemon considering that there is no proof that a latest gen Pokemon is put in before a new 1st gen.

 

[Conviction]

@Oasis&Tri: I still say Magnus over both those goddesses.

 

[Aipom]

Well, I guess I'll put my roster on here......

Mario
1. Mario = hero
2. Luigi = hero/comic relief
3. Peach = hero
4. Bowser = high-ranking villain
5. Petey Piranha = pawn
6. Waluigi = low-ranking villain/in-it-for-self
*No Toad or Bowser Jr. here. If I could find a way, I would put Bowser Jr in, but I fear him becoming a Bowser ans Mario clone*

Legend of Zelda
1. Link = hero
2. Zelda/Sheik = hero
3. Ganondorf = high ranking villain
4. Ghirahim = middle-ranking villain
5. Tingle = comic relief/hero
*Don't know as much about this series, but I'm not a fan of Link clones*

Donkey Kong
1. Donkey Kong = hero
2. Diddy Kong = hero/comic relief
3. King K. Rool = low-ranking villain
*No Dixie, but if she would make it, I envision her being paired with Diddy*

Wario
1. Wario = low-ranking villain/in-it-for-self
2. Mona = hero/comic relief
*Mona was a tough choice, but if characters had to be cut, she'd be one of the first to go.*

Yoshi
1. Yoshi = hero
*He's good as he is. Maybe Kamek could be a boss*

Fire Emblem
1. Marth = hero
2. Ike = hero
3. Michaiah = hero
*Another series I don't know much about. No Roy (didn't like him in Melee), Chrome or Lyn*

Pokemon
1. Pikachu = hero
2. Jigglypuff = comic relief/hero
3. Meowth = low-ranking villain/in-it-for-self
4. Pokemon Trainer - Piplup, Grovyle, Typhosion = hero
5. Zoroark = in-it-for-self/hero
*I want Lucario in, but I'm looking for a place to cut someone. A sixth-generation pokemon would change this if that happens by then. Wait & see where Mewtwo is*

Kirby
1. Kirby = hero
2. King Dedede = in-it-for-self/low-ranking villain
3. Meta Knight = hero/in-it-for-self
*Perfect the way it is*

Star Fox
1. Fox = hero
2. Falco = hero
3. Wolf = medium-ranking villain
4. Krystal = hero
*Either they'll all 4 get in, or one of the bottom 3 will get cut*

Kid Icarus
1. Pit = hero
2. Medusa = medium-ranking villain
*Patuleta is more of an NPC for pit than a playable character to me*

Earthbound
1. Ness = hero
2. Lucas = hero
*Maybe Claus at best might get added*

Metroid
1. Samus/Zero-Suit Samus = hero
2. Ridley = medium-ranking villain/pawn
*To me, Dark Samus may be the only other currently obvious contender*

F-Zero
1. Captain Falcon = hero
2. Samurai Goroh = low-ranking villain/in-it-for-self
*Either get rid of the 2nd rep or switch him out with whoever the most popular. Goroh's basically all I knew*

Other
1. Ice Climbers = hero
2. Mr. Game & Watch = pawn/comic relief
3. R.O.B. = pawn/comic relief
4. Captain Olimar = hero
5. Isaac = hero
6. Little Mac = hero
7. Starfy = comic relief/hero
8. Sukapon = pawn/comic relief
9. Ray MK III = hero
10. Kenshin Uesugi/Mewtwo = low-ranking villains apart; medium-ranking villain once they team up
11. Mii = comic relief (can be used in a side story after the final boss is beaten)
*This was pretty complex, the Ken/Mewtwo thing is from the crossover between Pokemon and Nobunaga's Ambition. They would play as a team, balancing out psychic power and physical attack. The other choices explain themselves*

Third Party
1. Solid Snake = hero/in-it-for-self
2. Sonic = hero
3. Mega Man = hero
*I wouldn't mind getting rid of all third party characters, but I don't know if that would happen*

So there's my highly unlikely roster of 55 characters that would make for both an interesting roster and Adventure Mode story. However, it is subject to change.

 

[---]

I think I just always want to pester you since I'll always think Medusa would be the better addition for stupid reasons.

I expected as much. Oh well, we all have our own opinion, so you can be sure I'll pester you right back.

EDIT:@Iblis: This goes for you as well.

 

[Oasis_S]

Our goddess wars could also be known as the Oasis---S wars?

@Aipom: I'm sorry to say, but you really shouldn't expect Sukapon.

EDIT: Ah, okay. I just saw Sukapon and a great sadness overcame me.

EDITEDIT: AND YOU FORGOT THAT SUKAPON WOULD TOTALLY BE COMIC RELIEF.

 

[Aipom]

Our goddess wars could also be known as the Oasis---S wars?

@Aipom: I'm sorry to say, but you really shouldn't expect Sukapon.

That's why I added the disclaimer of highly unlikely at the bottom lol. It's a rag-tag bunch of random characters

EDIT: Fixed it. This group makes me laugh, mainly because I know it would never happen but I would personally enjoy it if it would. I think it makes for a very diverse cast full of plenty of opportunity and unique movesets.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

@aipom
Subtract Petey, add toon link/young link and it's not bad. The fact that you don't like link clones but will tolerate all the others shows extreme bias. Especially when he isn't an "extreme" clone compared to the rest.

 

[Arcadenik]

Hopefully none, except ATs that become characters. I don't want a repeat of what happened to Scizor and Onix, who I want to return. But if I had to pick one, I'd say Piplup. It's so useless... Plus it's basically Marill from Melee. I think Torterra should come in to do what Venusaur used to do, though.

Cofagrigus - floats in place, uses one of its four long arms to grab opponents and spin them into mummies with the Mummy ability
Darmanitan - runs around doing Fire Punches in Standard Mode, immoble in Zen Mode but can be picked up and thrown around like Bonsly in Brawl
Keldeo - prances around, uses Secret Sword
Munna - floats around spreading Dream Mist, putting opponents to sleep
Pansage/Pansear/Panpour - I dunno, throw fireballs, iceballs, and razor-sharp leaves?
Scraggy - runs around doing Low Kicks, Headbutts, Hi Jump Kicks, and Focus Punches
Victini - does Searing Shot or V-create before flying away
Woobat - flies around, uses Heart Stamp to stun opponents

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

What's goin' in here guys?

Thought of showing ya this again:

Finally bit more livelier here.

Hey guys. just wondering, what if the official art for SSB4 would be done by artists behind KI Uprising's art?

SSB4 then has high-quality anime-style (?) art around it, drawn in same way as for Uprising depicting Pit and his use of weapons, other characters like Palutena, Medusa, bosses, Magnus and like.
You could unlock more art by collecting huger pics than stickers which would be more rare. They can be then seen in the separate "Gallery Mode."

The art would depict characters and their abilities, stages, assist trophies, (maybe) items. Battle scenes, even artists' personally made scenes which maybe could characters doing else than fighting together, etc.

I think it would be appealing and all the characters would look great. (personally)
Also it wouldn't be so lazily recycled trophy-art like Brawl did with Dojo!!

Your thoughts on this?

 

[Aipom]

@aipom
Subtract Petey, add toon link/young link and it's not bad. The fact that you don't like link clones but will tolerate all the others shows extreme bias. Especially when he isn't an "extreme" clone compared to the rest.

Personally, I wanted to get rid of Falco and Wolf because they're way too similar to Fox, but I believe there's a chance that they can get new movesets developed. I also don't know that much about the legend of zelda series, which I thought I put in my post. If I underestimated the importance of Toon Link, then I'm sorry.

I just love Petey lol

@Young Horsetail : I love the artwork of Super Smash Bros. Anything that makes it more detailed or higher quality I support

 

[Deleted member]

Zoroark - Uses Illusion (disguises itself as a character in the battlefield and runs to the nearest opponent in which it performs a Faint Attack in which it can be fatal for those in high damage range.

That would be my Pokeball idea for Zoroark.

Also, could someone say something about what I just said about how the Pokemon Company may prioritize who gets in?

@Aipom: The only similarities Wolf share is special moved and Landmaster. A moves are completely unique.

 

[Pseudomaniac]

I personally always envisioned the villains being a council of the "big-bad" villains (Bowser, Ganondorf, K. Rool, Medusa, Ghirahim, and Ridley) leading a group of lesser villains\mercenaries (Mewtwo, Bowser Jr., Wolf, Wario) and whatever the Nintendo bosses of the game are. However, Master Hand and Crazy Hand end up being puppet masters behind the Council, and an even bigger evil (some new Tabuu-esque character [or Gigyas if Nintendo's feeling lazy]) invades the Nintendo Multiverse as well. I have a whole script for the story mode complete with concepts for the villain's armies and boss fights laying around somewhere, although it's fairly unrealistic due to that fact that it's fairly dark even compared to some of Nintendo's darker games like Super Paper Mario or Mother 3.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

We've discussed what we want to see in terms of boss characters, but have we ever discussed actual boss ideas? Like bosses and their movesets?

 

[Aipom]

I personally always envisioned the villains being a council of the "big-bad" villains (Bowser, Ganondorf, K. Rool, Medusa, Ghirahim, and Ridley) leading a group of lesser villains\mercenaries (Mewtwo, Bowser Jr., Wolf, Wario) and whatever the Nintendo bosses of the game are. However, Master Hand and Crazy Hand end up being puppet masters behind the Council, and an even bigger evil (some new Tabuu-esque character [or Gigyas if Nintendo's feeling lazy]) invades the Nintendo Multiverse as well. I have a whole script for the story mode complete with concepts for the villain's armies and boss fights laying around somewhere, although it's fairly unrealistic due to that fact that it's fairly dark even compared to some of Nintendo's darker games like Super Paper Mario or Mother 3.

I like that idea, I think that would be a good premise to base the Adventure Mode on. A game's heroes are only as good as the villains that actually make the battle a challenge to win

 

[Bowserlick]

Zoroark

Down B: Illusion

Transforms randomly into another cast member. All of Zoroark's stats remain the same. Zoroark performs all his own moves, just in a different body. Down B transforms him back to Zoroark.

 

[Baskerville]

Zoroark

Down B: Illusion

Transforms randomly into another cast member. All of Zoroark's stats remain the same. Zoroark performs all his own moves, just in a different body. Down B transforms him back to Zoroark.

Better yet he can have the opponents A moves.

 

[Oasis_S]

Zoroark

Down B: Illusion

Transforms randomly into another cast member. All of Zoroark's stats remain the same. Zoroark performs all his own moves, just in a different body. Down B transforms him back to Zoroark.

That would take a lot of work just to get his bones to match up with all the other characters' animations and hurtboxes.

 

[Opossum]

Nice to see some new faces around here.

Anyway, Aipom, I believe it was said that in an interview, Sakurai felt that having an adult and child Link was important, hence Toon/Young Link. I'm not too knowledgeable on the series, per se. I just got Skyward Sword and Ocarina of Time on Virtual Console for Christmas, and can't even play SS yet due to my current lack of my Wii Motion Plus

@ Bowserlick: Wouldn't that be kind of useless though? I mean, wouldn't it have a shot of just essentially making his model easier to hit due to hitbox differences? Unless I completely misunderstood what you said xD

In other news, I'm thinking of doing another moveset, such as my ones for Starfy and Muddy Mole. However, I want to take suggestions. I am contemplating between Little Mac, Bowser Jr., and Mii.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Personally, I wanted to get rid of Falco and Wolf because they're way too similar to Fox, but I believe there's a chance that they can get new movesets developed. I also don't know that much about the legend of zelda series, which I thought I put in my post. If I underestimated the importance of Toon Link, then I'm sorry.

I just love Petey lol

@Young Horsetail : I love the artwork of Super Smash Bros. Anything that makes it more detailed or higher quality I support

I wasn't specifically saying not to cut Toon Link because of his importance, rather I was saying don't cut him only on the grounds that he's a clone and leave all other clones unaffected. As far as his importance in the series goes, he's pretty much the face of portable Zelda.

@horsetail
I wouldn't actively protest that style but I wouldn't favor it.

 

[Bowserlick]

Better yet he can have the opponents A moves.

I agree with your version. Much better. He would retain the same B moves, but have his opponent's A moves. And his own stats.

My version really only helps mind games without offering too much more. And it would take too much time to sync all the characters movements with Zoroarks (with little reward).

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I think we should make boss ideas with boss movesets and all. Don't know where to start, though...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

How about Crazy Hand?

 

[Pichu Fan]

10 bosses i would want(not counting master and crazy hand)-

King Boo
Vaati
Mother Brain
Zekrom and Reshiram
Dyna Blade
Galleon 2.0
Some Kind of fire emblem dragon
Duon 2.0
Andross
Medusa

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I honestly think something like Super Dimentio(possible Paper Mario spoiler ) would be cool.

 

[Oasis_S]

Isn't there a reoccurring boss in LoZ? Gohma? I don't think it was in Skyward Sword though.

It was even in that WiiU tech demo.