New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Metal Overlord]

Halfrican? Lol, I'm beige-skinned, not really yeller but that's besides the point

Anyway, who else wants Armored Mewtwo as Mewtwo's alt in Smash?

 

[nLiM8d]

I'm with starphoenix in that the clone like characters should be alternate forms of their main protagonist counterparts.

Those spots could be better served for newer characters.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Gonna add a new avy soon; to give y'all kind of an idea how I look like.

I kinda expect not so many new characters, or 'complete' new characters in Sm4sh really.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I wanted that costume in Melee. And Brawl.

I wish we had more costumes like Wario Land/Ware or Dark Link. There's even a variation of Dry Bowser, Daisy, and Blood Falcon. Those are so cool.

Also, I'd rather they cut the clone part of Ganondorf, and make him new. The moveset does not need to be transferred to get B. Shadow in. That, and I think Goroh is also a great choice.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Always liked that idea thb. And the best way of getting a F-Zero rep in. Black Shadow and Ganon still could have similarities though.

Well it has been quite odd that Ganondorf has been a Captain Falcon clone, since the two aren't even in the same universe. If Black Shadow took over Ganondorf's old moveset, that would make more sense, as Black Shadow and Captain Falcon are mortal enemies.

 

[Bowserlick]

I'd still like to see Black Shadow take Ganondorf's old moveset so that Ganondorf can finally switch to doing sword play.

I don't see the need to move Gannondorf's old moveset to Black Shadow.

Gannondorf should keep his forward B. It is an unique special, very flavorful and fitting.

Up B needs to change.

B move can either be changed into him summoning a sword and striking for a powerful blow or (better yet) throwing a charged up ball of dark energy. Basically a projectile version of Falcon Punch.

Down B should change.

Forward Smash and Down Smash need changing. Ground A moves are fine. Back aerial and neutral aerial should change. Maybe U aerial as well.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Clone-like characters? Like Daisy as Peach's alt, or Shadow as Sonic's alt? Nah son, I don't think that's a good idea

vvvvvvvvvv Eh, I'm still not big on that

 

[nLiM8d]

I'm talkin Ness or Roy.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Aight peeps, stayed around for too long. Gonna hit the gym now, see y'all in a couple of hours.

Spoiler

first gotta empty my stomach and fill the toilet if ya know what I mean

Roy would be a good alternate option to Marth. But so could Cecile or Sigurd.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Why would a completely different character need to be an alt of another character?

Something like Doc as Mario's alt is fine, but Roy as Marth's alternate? Uh-uh

Peace Diddy

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Clone-like characters? Like Daisy as Peach's alt, or Shadow as Sonic's alt? Nah son, I don't think that's a good idea

Brock pretty much mentioned the same thing to me when I mentioned my alternate outfit inputs at the Super Mario Boards.

I guess it would be a major insult to the actual character if he/she gets treated as an alternate outfit of someone else. But it's merely another way to represent characters who aren't popular enough to be playable.

 

[gsninja]

The size of my **** if Cecil got in would be tremendous enough to level entire cities.

 

[nLiM8d]

Roy and Ness are not completely different characters by any sense.

Two different-esque moves?

Mario and Peach, yes.

DK and Diddy. Of course

Even Samus and Samus.

We need more setups like those.

 

[BirthNote]

Why would a completely different character need to be an alt of another character?

Something like Doc as Mario's alt is fine, but Roy as Marth's alternate? Uh-uh

Peace Diddy

Highly agreed

Brock pretty much mentioned the same thing to me when I mentioned my alternate outfit inputs at the Super Mario Boards.

I guess it would be a major insult to the actual character if he/she gets treated as an alternate outfit of someone else. But it's merely another way to represent characters who aren't popular enough to be playable.

We already have ATs though, which is better than referencing the character as an alt because they're actually appearing.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Birthnote: True that. They can actually show out their best personal abilities as AT's.

Ness being a clone though, why is this? Lucas should be said to be the clone!

 

[Metal Overlord]

Brock pretty much mentioned the same thing to me when I mentioned my alternate outfit inputs at the Super Mario Boards.

I guess it would be a major insult to the actual character if he/she gets treated as an alternate outfit of someone else. But it's merely another way to represent characters who aren't popular enough to be playable.

We already have trophies/AT's to represent characters that don't make the cut. Maybe recoloring their outfits to look like the character in question or something is fine (like one of Mario's palette swaps in Melee), but I agree with Brock; I just think that's a poor way of representing characters that probably shouldn't be represented with a playable appearance.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

We already have ATs though, which is better than referencing the character as an alt because they're actually appearing.

The Assist Trophy models are at a lower quality level than that of the playable characters though. Besides, I can't exactly vision Rosalina having a low quality model after all.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If anything, Lucas is the clone. Although they're more than different enough. The only two characters I would even call clones would be Ganondorf and Toon Link.

Anyway, Blood Falcon and Daisy are already referenced within Captain Falcon and Peach's costumes. Unless they're going to be an AT, simply having colors related to them is fine, really.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

We already have trophies/AT's to represent characters that don't make the cut. Maybe recoloring their outfits to look like the character in question or something is fine (like one of Mario's palette swaps in Melee), but I agree with Brock; I just think that's a poor way of representing characters that probably shouldn't be represented with a playable appearance.

Yeah the biggest problem is that when you have an idea that sounds good, when you think it over, it could end up being a disaster if implemented.

Still, the alternate outfit idea would increase the amount of recolors, since "6" recolors is apparently the maximum for each model.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Yuui's Roster:

Mario: Toad's all nice. I want to see Bowser Jr. though for being there for the Mario-fans of the millenium age. (Sunshine to present days)
Decent here though.

DK: No Dixie, but I don't think she's a necessity anyway. Good here too.

Zelda: Toon Link is enough. Tetra with Toon Zelda seems an overkill here, especially if she's a clone of Zelda. Can I suggest more original characters? Tingle maybe, he'd be more funnier than Luigi ever was.

Wario: Ware-Wario again, but I assume he has more references on Wario Land here.
(-lwl-)?

Metroid: All good! Many don't like the idea of Zamus being cut, but I don't mind it myself.
(Zamus was good, but it did overshadow much more nerfed Power Suit Samus bit too much. Also, SEX APPEAL FANDOM)

Kid Icarus: I understand why ya added Medusa and no Palutena here, so I dunno what to say. I personally support Palutena, but I don't let that get on the way. (-lvl-);

Saki alone's nice.

Kirby: All good. (-lwl-)b

Mother: Can't say anything here. Good.

Star Fox: Not bad.

F-Zero: Needs a new rep, really. I suggest Black Shadow or Goroh...

Mach Rider: Execution might be the key. Sounds cool though. (-l,l-)

PKMN: No 5th gen rep? Your PKMN representation tastes too much of 1st gen/1998.
(-=^=-);;

Victini? Genesect? We need a 5th Gen rep, really. Lucario with Mewtwo, I dunno if it works.

FE: I see ya played safe here, since we dunno of anything unique about Chrome yet.

Golden Sun: Matthew, despite being pushed as the real hero of GS as ya might say, didn't have generally well-acclaimed fame as Isaac and his games were. So don't much like the choice here (We could then have Isa instead of Saki here too)

Takamaru: Good choice here too, but just wondering will he get in, Sakurai's still looking if there's an actual game made for Takamaru (and no, SAMURAI WARRIORS 3 DOESN'T COUNT)

Retro's: Seems good enough for me, Mac's here.

3rd Party: Layton confuses me. Slime, not so much. I think Layton's the wierd one. But I guess it's not bad.


Tastes like Brawl-roster somewhat to me: not much characters I'd find fun to play as here, expect Saki and Toad. Yeah. Means I should dig for new faves here.
Also, some presentation (Zelda, PKMN) is an overkill.

So I give 6,5/10 for this one.

 

[nLiM8d]

Matters not to me the semantics, my statement still stands.

There should be spots set aside for characters that actually bring new fighting styles.

I'd like some deviation to the formula, even if it is at the expense of some minimal frustration. Its not like I'm suggesting that their movesets should be completely clone.

You pick Lucas, he's going to have his PK freeze, etc. Built in character model.

 

[BirthNote]

The Assist Trophy models are at a lower quality level than that of the playable characters though. Besides, I can't exactly vision Rosalina having a low quality model after all.

For Brawl, yea. For SSB4, maybe. The game will have HD graphics anyway so I'm positive the models will look pretty good (except for the AT sprite characters) regardless.

Its like a movie or a tv show--you look forward to a certain actor/character appearing but instead they're impersonated by someone who clearly isn't them throughout. We could have the actual actor/character making brief occasional appearances (as an AT) but instead they're just referenced.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Well, I found it so here it is:

[COLLAPSE="Metal Overlord's All-Knowing Roster Prediction"] Mario
Mario
Luigi
Princess Peach
Bowser
Toad

Legend of Zelda
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Tingle

Pokemon
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Pokemon Trainer Red
Genesect
Lucario

Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool

Wario
Wario

Yoshi
Yoshi

Metroid
Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley

Kirby
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight

Fire Emblem
Marth
Ike
Roy

Pikmin
Captain Olimar

Earthbound
Ness
Lucas

F-Zero
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh

Star Fox
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Krystal

Kid Icarus
Pit

Punch-Out!!!
Little Mac

Golden Sun
Isaac

Sin and Punishment
Saki

Retro
Ice Climbers
R.O.B
Mr. Game and Watch
Takamaru

3rd Party
Sonic
Snake
Mega Man[/COLLAPSE]

Let me know what you think of it.

Might as well repost this since we actually ARE posting rosters this time...

 

[Oasis_S]

I wish I could make a roster image maker program THING so I could just look at a picture instead of reading peoples' rosters.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Don't be bitin' the hand that feeds you

It's at least organized so it should suffice

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Oasis: Maan, I'd want to see it up done. I'd would be quite helpful for me at least.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

My Roster.

Spoiler

Mario Series(5)-
-Mario
-Luigi(Hidden)
-Peach
-Bowser
-Bowser Jr.(Hidden)

Donkey Kong Series(3)-
-Donkey Kong
-Diddy Kong
-King K. Rool(Hidden)

Legend of Zelda Series(6)-
-Link
-Zelda/Sheik
-Young Link(Hidden)
-Toon Ganondorf(Hidden, new moveset with Magic and Twin Swords)
-Vaati(Hidden)

F-Zero Series(2)-
-Captain Falcon
-B. Shadow(Hidden, uses the clone moveset)

Metroid Series(3)-
-Samus/Zero Suit Samus
-Ridley(Hidden)

Mother Series(2)-
-Ness
-Lucas(Hidden, new moveset)

Pokemon Series(5, technically 8)-
-Pikachu
-Jigglypuff
-Pokemon Trainer(Gen 3)
-Mewtwo(Hidden)
-Genesect(Hidden)

Fire Emblem Series(4)-
-Marth
-Ike
-Roy(Hidden, new moveset)
-Hector(Hidden)

Kirby Series(3)-
-Kirby
-King DeDeDe
-Meta Knight(Hidden)

Star Fox Series(4)-
-Fox
-Falco
-Wolf(Hidden)
-Krystal(Hidden)

Kid Icarus Series(2)-
-Pit
-Medusa(Hidden)

Wario Series(2, technically 3)-
-Wario(With a moveset 90% based upon Wario Land, no farting)
-Kat and Ana(Hidden)

Yoshi Series(2)-
-Yoshi
-Kamek(Hidden)

Retro Series(3, technically 4)-
-Ice Climbers
-R.O.B.
-Mr. Game & Watch(Hidden)

Pikmin Series(1, arguably up to 6)-
-Captain Olimar

Golden Sun(1)
-Isaac

Third Party Series(4)-
-Sonic
-Solid Snake(Hidden)
-MegaMan
-Brian(Hidden)

Overall: 16 newcomers. 47 total spots on the Select Screen. 52 overall(discounting extra Pikmin, and 51 if Ice Climbers are treated as one overall character).

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

For Brawl, yea. For SSB4, maybe. The game will have HD graphics anyway so I'm positive the models will look pretty good (except for the AT sprite characters) regardless.

Its like a movie or a tv show--you look forward to a certain actor/character appearing but instead they're impersonated by someone who clearly isn't them throughout. We could have the actual actor/character making brief occasional appearances (as an AT) but instead they're just referenced.

The Mario Kart Wii models are too low quality, since no one has any finger bones. I actually want the Assist Trophy models to follow the same quality levels as the playable character models.

@Oasis_S: The GIMP can be used to make a roster image. That's how I composed mine.

 

[SmashChu]

On the rosters: Not sure why people are putting 5 third party characters. And worse, they put Slime. Why? he's a basic enemy in the game series and no one is asking for him. People think he's a sure pick when most people ask for Megaman and there aren't going to be a billion third party characters (I'd be surprised if any get in).

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

MSG: GIMP-- I see! Thanks for telling. (-lvl-)

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

On the rosters: Not sure why people are putting 5 third party characters. And worse, they put Slime. Why? he's a basic enemy in the game series and no one is asking for him. People think he's a sure pick when most people ask for Megaman and there aren't going to be a billion third party characters (I'd be surprised if any get in).

Slime IS the mascot of Dragon Quest, and it has made crossover appearances on some Mario spin-offs too; namely, Mario Sports Mix, Fortune Street, and the Japan only Itadaki Street DS. If Slime can compete is sports, think about what it could do in a fight.

 

[Oasis_S]

@M&M'S: NAH MAN. It'd be like a flash thing I GUESS. You'd have a pool of character icons on one side, and you'd just drag and drop them on another space which would automatically organize the image for you out of the character's you've placed there. Then you could save it as an image. IT'D BE GREAT.

If you tried to put over 60 icons in the space, Ridley would pop up and say "WOAH MAN. IT'S TOO BIG."

 

[BirthNote]

The Mario Kart Wii models are too low quality, since no one has any finger bones. I actually want the Assist Trophy models to follow the same quality levels as the playable character models.

Hopefully they do.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Metal's Roster

Mario
Mario
Luigi
Princess Peach
Bowser
Toad

Toad's here, though no Bowser Jr. (-l^l-); But not so bad.

Legend of Zelda
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Tingle

Great! Tingle would be awesome.

Pokemon
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Pokemon Trainer Red
Genesect
Lucario

Genesect... hmm. Sounds bit cool. I wonder how'd he be implemented on world of Smash. But he'd be kinda cool to play as, I guess.

Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool

PERFECT. *Banana Slammas your fist*

Wario
Wario

Good. Can ya specify is it Wario from Ware or Land?

Yoshi
Yoshi

Good.

Metroid
Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley

Just wish Power Suit Samus isn't so weak as in Brawl: all good, I guess.

Kirby
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight

Nice.

Fire Emblem
Marth
Ike
Roy

Played safe here, I see. But I don't mind.

Pikmin
Captain Olimar

Good one I guess.

Earthbound
Ness
Lucas

Okay.

F-Zero
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh

Goroh... hmm. I don't think he's interesting to play as. Black Shadow's cooler.

Star Fox
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Krystal

Krystal is a nice plus. I think she'd be quite different from the Falxolf.

Kid Icarus
Pit

No new characters? (-i^i-)?

Punch-Out!!!
Little Mac

Good-

Golden Sun
Isaac

Yes.

Sin and Punishment
Saki
Yes.

Retro
Ice Climbers
R.O.B
Mr. Game and Watch
Takamaru

Decent. Takamaryu I'm concerned about him though.

3rd Party
Sonic
Snake
Mega Man

Good one.

It's bit like my roster, but with less characters. (-l,l-); But maybe due it's more realistic then.
8/10.

 

[Bowserlick]

On the rosters: Not sure why people are putting 5 third party characters. And worse, they put Slime. Why? he's a basic enemy in the game series and no one is asking for him. People think he's a sure pick when most people ask for Megaman and there aren't going to be a billion third party characters (I'd be surprised if any get in).

Sakurai mentioned Capcom characters having the possibility of getting in. I say maximum of two. Ryu and Megaman.

 

[BirthNote]

Between Toad and Bowser Jr, I wouldn't be surprised if one becomes an AT while the other's playable.

BirthNote: So who'll be playable, and who'll be the assist?

(-=,=-)?

IDK. :/

 

[Oasis_S]

Toad is so useless I can't even think of what he would do as an AT, so I guess I'll just have to say he would make a better playable character by default. So weird.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

BirthNote: So who'll be playable, and who'll be the assist?

(-=,=-)?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

BirthNote: So who'll be playable, and who'll be the assist?

(-=,=-)?

I can't exactly vision Bowser Jr. as an Assist Trophy. He just looks like someone who's destined to be fighting, and I do support him as a playable character.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I wanna see BOTH Toad and Jr playable, actually. They'd cater to both audiences from Old Mario and New Mario.