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[~ Valkyrie ~]

K.Rool... should he be the most tallest and heaviest character in veins what Diddy Kong suggested?

 

[Starphoenix]

Donkey Kong vs Armor King= DREAM COME TRUE

Same thing for Mewtwo vs Nemesis

You mean Nemesis from Resident Evil? Why? He is not even the best Capcom character to choose to rival Mewtwo.

 

[AetherEch0s]

K.Rool... should he be the most tallest and heaviest character in veins what Diddy Kong suggested?

Ideally, unless King Hippo makes it, then he would be a bit heavier and probably the same height.

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Star- Because both of them were some of my favorite villains as a child and they still are. So, basically, selfishness.

I don't care if they get in or not, though, I have lots of unconventional dreams that turn out the same way, just felt like sharing that with everyone

Carry on now, please everyone, don't mind me and my imagination

 

[Diddy Kong]

Bowser should be heavier and taller. Taller would give him more range on gis moves, and heavier would be beneficial for him as well for trading blows. Then, give him the Up B from Melee and hes good to go.

K.Rool should be a bit heavier than Bowser as he is in Brawl, but abowser in general should probably be heavier (cause of that big shell mostly).

King Hippo was in the same game as DK, so Punch Out fans should probably know what sort of weight he should be.

Ridley should probaly be lighter but taller than K.Rool, but needless to say hed have much better recovery. I actually picture him always rather clumpsy and slow on the ground, but fast and dangerous in the air.

 

[Arcadenik]

Someone obviously put a lot of time into this fake, considering that they went out of their way to even produce concept art for it. Expect this sort of thing to get worse when Smash 4 is actually formally unveiled.

On the list of newcomers, I found it strange that Zelda got a newcomer yet Mario did not. I also found it stranger that Sonic was listed but Snake was not. Sonic was the only Brawl newcomer on the list.

Still what gave it away was not only the absurd Western centrism of the roster choices (two Punch-Out characters, really?), but how horrible the leaker's Japanese writing and composition skills are.

I seriously hope these leaks are fake. Tingle and Toad getting concept arts with a red stamp, implying two of my top five most wanted characters are rejected. Maybe this is my denial talking, I hope the leaks were made by a fan who specifically wanted those 15 characters and not Toad and Tingle... and he decides to manipulate people into supporting the characters he wanted and convince people to stop (or more accurately, feel demoralized and give up) supporting the characters he doesn't want in Smash by making his leaks look believable.

Although I wouldn't mind getting both Little Mac and King Hippo in Smash. They were the only Punch-Out!! characters I remembered more than 10 years ago, shortly before we first got Internet at home.

 

[nLiM8d]

No. With N. Gin you are saying N. If you were to use the Kuh Rool method you would pronounce the name nuh jin.

That's an exaggerated take on the whole conversation, even for you. That is an argument based on ridicule within itself. Besides, I thought visual indicators are important for distinguishing the phonetic patterns of speech anyhow.

Ergo it IS based on perception. I see it as KROOL it is a pun on CRUEL, its neat and I know what they were going for, I'm not gonna fight it. In actuality I'm not going to bother sounding like a valley girl trying to express the pun mixed with the "proper" grammatical establishment of a fictional character. Nonsense; "I'm gonna go fight KRool" guess what, the guy to my left is gonna know exactly what I'm referring to.

The english language is riddled with atrocities anyhow. When you are proposing to the Queen, Sir H. Oots, ask her where in the english language do we use the "aych" sound when using the letter 'H' in the prefix portion of any term. All these ridiculous rules like pronouncing "Ride" as "R-eye-d", something that could be fixed with a VISUAL symbol to indicate the proper pronunciation.

Its no wonder the language is among the most tedious to master.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

You just hush.

And Olimar is the size of a nickel yet he is as tall as Kirby.

Also, Hoots is correct.

When you think it over, if Kirby is 8 inches tall, King Dedede is actually less than 2 feet tall, at best. This probably means that all the creatures in Pop Star's galaxy are smaller than the average adult human.

K.Rool should have an awesome overpowered get up attack when hes knocked down to reflect the fake death from DKC, to counter that, he should be hard to knockdown because of his weight. And appart from the projectiles, he probably shouldnt have that much of range on most of his attacks, but lots of priority and super armor.

K.Rool... should he be the most tallest and heaviest character in veins what Diddy Kong suggested?

I have pretty much visioned King K. Rool as being a sheer force type of character. His attacks would pack a lot of power, but he'd also be very slow with them, making it easy to counter him. K. Rool would also take the spot as the heaviest fighter, putting Bowser in 2nd place as a result. This would obviously mean that he'd be extremely slow, if not the slowest.

Lastly, the Blunderbuss could be his Final Smash.

 

[Diddy Kong]

English is easy to casually speak, but I guess hard to master.

K.Rool should be the 2nd heaviest, but Bowser should be heavier than he was in Brawl. Make more differences between weight. Especially amongst the light weights.

And I'd picture K.Rool to be a bit more on the defensive trickster side, but with some very strong moves amongst them nonetheless. A sort King DeDeDe with less speed, range, but more weight to give a quick description. And the best get up attack (A when being floored) in the game. And although his jumps would be subpar, his Up B should be really good (much like DeDeDe's actually). But as said before, make his range on his moves pretty bad (about Wario's but worse). His belly flop should be his only slightly fast move.

 

[Starphoenix]

So very post-modern...

When you think it over, if Kirby is 8 inches tall, King Dedede is actually less than 2 feet tall, at best. This probably means that all the creatures in Pop Star's galaxy are smaller than the average adult human.

More or less I was just trying to show how sizes in Super Smash Bros are not always reflective of what they should be according to their respective series. Basing sizes around sprites is about the same as measuring a house in cubits.

 

[Hoots]

That's an exaggerated take on the whole conversation, even for you. That is an argument based on ridicule within itself. Besides, I though visual indicators are important for distinguishing the phonetic patterns of speech anyhow.

Ergo it IS based on perception. I see it as KROOL it is a pun on CRUEL, its neat and I know what they were going for, I'm not gonna fight it. In actuality I'm not going to bother sounding like a valley girl trying to express the pun mixed with the "proper" grammatical establishment of a fictional character. Nonsense; "I'm gonna go fight KRool" guess what, the guy to my left is gonna know exactly what I'm referring to.

The english language is riddled with atrocious rules anyhow. When you are proposing to the Queen, Sir H. Oots, ask her where in the english language do we use the "aych" sound when using the letter 'H' in the prefix portion of any term. All these ridiculous rules like pronouncing "Ride" as "R-eye-d", something that could be fixed with a VISUAL symbol to indicate the proper pronunciation.

Its no wonder the language is among the most tedious to master.

Am I on crazy pills? How is that an exaggeration? Saying Kuh Rool is EXACTLY the same thing as saying Nuh Jin. There is no refuting my point. You can complain about the english language and say he is a fictional character all you want, but that only makes it seem like you are simply desperately grasping at straws to logic the pronunciation of K. Rool you have used your entire life. Sure English is a crazy language, but that does not mean that one can choose to ignore a simple grammatical rule and still be right. Sure feel free to say kuh rool and the dudes next to you will know what you're saying. You will just be wrong. Nothing personal. These are simple irrefutable facts.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I seriously hope these leaks are fake. Tingle and Toad getting concept arts with a red stamp, implying two of my top five most wanted characters are rejected. Maybe this is my denial talking, I hope the leaks were made by a fan who specifically wanted those 15 characters and not Toad and Tingle... and he decides to manipulate people into supporting the characters he wanted and convince people to stop (or more accurately, feel demoralized and give up) supporting the characters he doesn't want in Smash by making his leaks look believable.

Although I wouldn't mind getting both Little Mac and King Hippo in Smash. They were the only Punch-Out!! characters I remembered more than 10 years ago, shortly before we first got Internet at home.

Arcadenik, don't cha worry! SSBF has already stated many flaws of this 'leak', which has rendered it fake long time ago.

 

[Oasis_S]

I hope my stuff with Ghirahim filled Star's heart with rainbows.

 

[Diddy Kong]

For the record I used to say King Kah Roel when I was younger. But thats cause you'd say it like that in my language. Now I actually prefer the english way to say it

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Regarding K. Rool's range, it should be very good. The only thing that would hurt him is his very slow attack execution speed. That would balance him out so that his sheer strength isn't so overpowering.

Anyway, K. Rool should probably be slightly taller than Bowser (comparable to that Ridley size comparison chart). Big, powerful, super heavy, and extremely slow. That would best describe K. Rool for the Smash Bros. series.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Obviously, but thats just a bland way of describing him. K.Rool's limbs are quite short thus I think his range wouldnt be great. But with high priority to boot. His range should come with his blunderbuss only. I imagine him also having a sort of bite attack with extremely good knockback.

And I imagine him also relying a lot on his belly flop attack (moderately fast, but nowhere to say, anything like DK's speed) comboing to the blunderbuss canonballs.

 

[Starphoenix]

I hope my stuff with Ghirahim filled Star's heart with rainbows.

It most certainly did.

BTW, I was playing Mario Sports Mix last night and was playing a round of basketball with Slime and Toad. Did a slam dunk with blue boy and noticed he hung onto the edge of the rim. Since we were discussing him holding onto a ledge perhaps he could do something similar?

 

[AetherEch0s]

I'd like a move where he tosses a klaptrap which bites onto an opponent. Make him toss it in an arc so that the horizontal range isn't completely broken, but it would still have some decent reach. Look at Dedede's Waddledee toss, the range is cheap for something that spammable.

 

[Diddy Kong]

If K.Rool has Klap Traps, it should be his Down B I think, and he would lay them in front of him, nothing like how DeDeDe throws his Waddle Dees.

 

[ManicRaider]

The only projectile he should have his his blunderbuss cannonballs, and it should be incredibly slow to fire.

Why? I just watched someone play DKC2 and he doesn't fire slowly.

Y'know that sound K. Rool makes when you hop on his head? I reeeally hope Sakurai wouldn't get rid of that. >:

I doubt they'd leave that out. So far (to my knowledge) all of the characters have been well represented audio-wise.

 

[nLiM8d]

Hoots, the "factual" details my argument have nothing to do with grasping straws.

The reality is, you refuse to recognize my initial point. There's no argument over how to properly say the term, that's your argument not mine. Have you noted that I rarely brought up the propriety of the term? It was all about perception. Perception based on certain acknowledgement like, Cruel being the pun. Its something that stuck and I chose to promote that name. It has nothing to do with "choosing to be ignorant of rules" just a quirky take on the rules themselves. Why is that so hard to understand?

And no, there is nowhere that I can find "engine" to sound like Nuh Jin. That's something you're introducing to this whole thing, which is why I state it to be ridiculous. I doubt anyone in the US or UK pronounces it that way, unless your into stretching out the enunciation like "Sir eeeerrrrReginald"

Perception is what establishes rules of speech/language in the first place; if you feel that is a matter of grasping straws, really go and discuss the origins of language to see whether or not I'm making this up.

So at the end of the day, I'll concede to your focus on these rules and whenever I think of K.Rool, I'll be reminded of you. I'll chuckle to myself and utter "King dot Kay Rule"

 

[Oasis_S]

In what way did he grab the rim, Star?

Klap Trap could make a nice Down Special. Eats away at the ground for a few moments, with some knockback at the end of the animation. Essentially a Piplup with shorter range.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

If K.Rool has Klap Traps, it should be his Down B I think, and he would lay them in front of him, nothing like how DeDeDe throws his Waddle Dees.

If they would add their weakness which is jumping on them to defeat them = Nostalgia Moment in SSB-series again.

So I support this special move idea.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Exactly like Oasis said, but I imagine it also being a sort of meteor somehow when they bite, like how the Klap Trap did in the Jungle Japes stage, but less powerful. And yes, you should be able to defeat them by jumping on them. Or regular attacks, but when they bite (similar to the animation of the Klap Trap on the stage) you wouldnt be able to do so and get damage instead (except on high priority moves)

Also, K.Rool was made by British people btw. I think they would've intended the pun. Rare games in general have lts of word play and puns.

 

[AetherEch0s]

Why? I just watched someone play DKC2 and he doesn't fire slowly.



I doubt they'd leave that out. So far (to my knowledge) all of the characters have been well represented audio-wise.

For balancing. Imagine a powerful and bulky character with a fast and powerful projectile.

 

[nLiM8d]

Thank you, I'm really not sure why there was so much hubbub over being right. It was about puns for me.

I'll confide in my initial statements.

 

[AetherEch0s]

Thank you, I'm really not sure why there was so much hubbub over being right. It was about puns for me.

I'll confide in my initial statements.

Regardless of pronunciation, the pun exists in K.Rool. Krool=Cruel. Correct english pronunciation isn't involved in the pun to begin with.

 

[Aurane]

He could be a little bigger, c'mon now, you can barely see his face in that pic, it looks kinda scrunched up

It was a representation of how big he was in game, I guess.

I'll do some sizing Pics with Victini (Because I'm hip )

 

[Opelucid]

For King K. Rool's recovery move he should use his Baron K. Roolenstein propeller I'm not really sure how that would work but Sakurai could probably think of a way to incorporate it.

And damn so many people are online.

 

[AetherEch0s]

For King K. Rool's recovery move he should use his Baron K. Roolenstein propeller I'm not really sure how that would work but Sakurai could probably think of a way to incorporate it.

And damn so many people are online.

Or the his jetpack. Or since Sakurai roves his crones, a jump/pound like Dedede.

 

[Hoots]

Hoots, the "factual" details my argument have nothing to do with grasping straws.

The reality is, you refuse to recognize my initial point. There's no argument over how to properly say the term, that's your argument not mine. Have you noted that I rarely brought up the propriety of the term? It was all about perception. Perception based on certain acknowledgement like, Cruel being the pun. Its something that stuck and I chose to promote that name. It has nothing to do with "choosing to be ignorant of rules" just a quirky take on the rules themselves. Why is that so hard to understand?

And no, there is nowhere that I can find "engine" to sound like Nuh Jin. That's something you're introducing to this whole thing, which is why I state it to be ridiculous. I doubt anyone in the US or UK pronounces it that way, unless your into stretching out the enunciation like "Sir eeeerrrrReginald"

Perception is what establishes rules of speech/language in the first place; if you feel that is a matter of grasping straws, really go and discuss the origins of language to see whether or not I'm making this up.

So at the end of the day, I'll concede to your focus on these rules and whenever I think of K.Rool, I'll be reminded of you. I'll chuckle to myself and utter "King dot Kay Rule"

Let's perform an exercise. A K makes a kuh sound. That is why you say Kuh Rool. An N makes a nuh sound, so by that same logic N. Jin would be Nuh Jin. If you perceive the K Rool pun and then that makes you actively ignore grammar, then that's fine. As long as there is no misconception about what is correct. We could have ended this a lot earlier had you just said that you knew you were pronouncing it wrong but just didn't care.

Also, Girahim would be a fabulous choice for Smash4 the more I see him in SS. I just wonder if being a one off hurts his chances enough to keep him from the roster.

Edit: The pun is VISUAL. It isn't meant to SOUND like cruel.

 

[BKupa666]

I have brought this up before, but I am doubtful Sakurai would give K. Rool props from his alter egos, considering they are 'brothers' in Japan. He may pull a Ness and let him borrow the blunderbuss and helicopter pack...it could swing both ways, although I do not think he'll be given the pack. Nintendo is not aware that DKC3 exists, remember?

 

[AetherEch0s]

Let's perform an exercise. A K makes a kuh sound. That is why you say Kuh Rool. An N makes a nuh sound, so by that same logic N. Jin would be Nuh Jin. If you perceive the K Rool pun and then that makes you actively ignore grammar, then that's fine. As long as there is no misconception about what is correct. We could have ended this a lot earlier had you just said that you knew you were pronouncing it wrong but just didn't care.

Also, Girahim would be a fabulous choice for Smash4 the more I see him in SS. I just wonder if being a one off hurts his chances enough to keep him from the roster.

By the time this is release, the Wii U Zelda will be out. Link, Zelda and Ganondorf will draw their designs from it. The best way of repping Skyward Sword, the anniversary masterpiece, is Ghirahim.

 

[nLiM8d]

What the **** Hoots? C'mon this could have been ended earlier if YOU acknowledged that this whole thing was about puns for me.

Regardless of pronunciation, the pun exists in K.Rool. Krool=Cruel. Correct english pronunciation isn't involved in the pun to begin with.

See this? Right here? That's what I'm talkin bout.

And no, no one say nuh jin. Ever, english major.

Edit: The pun is VISUAL. It isn't meant to SOUND like cruel.

No one cares what it was meant to sound like HOOTS! It was text, thats it.

 

[Oasis_S]

N doesn't give a HOOT about pronunciation.


So strong.


TO REALLY SHOW OFF K. ROOL'S MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES, what if while using his Blunderbuss, he dons his pirate hat? And SOMETHING ELSE while using his propeller pack.

 

[Aurane]

Let's perform an exercise. A K makes a kuh sound. That is why you say Kuh Rool. An N makes a nuh sound, so by that same logic N. Jin would be Nuh Jin. If you perceive the K Rool pun and then that makes you actively ignore grammar, then that's fine. As long as there is no misconception about what is correct. We could have ended this a lot earlier had you just said that you knew you were pronouncing it wrong but just didn't care.

-_- You're still talking about that? You guys made it an arguement??? Oh, sweet jesus... Where are you guys going with this? Just a question..

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

N, Hoots, calm down. I pronounce it as "Kay Rool", but still, pronounciation argument is quite unnecessary in this thread ya fellas. (-i^i-);

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

And Olimar is the size of a nickel yet he is as tall as Kirby.

Also, Hoots is correct.

And going on with this, Kirby is 8 inches tall, yet he's about as tall as Pikachu, who is only a foot tall, and Pikachu is half as big as Link, who is about 6 feet, apparently.

Also, I was thinking Starfy would be just a TAD smaller than Olimar, antenna included.

 

[BKupa666]

...the obvious pronunciation is Kay-Rule. Cruel is the visual pun, but since the cartoon never depicts his name in writing, the characters likely speak Kuh-Rule, using incorrect pronunciation but keeping the pun alive.

In doing so, I doubt they expected those knowledgeable about the English language to analyze their choice on a message board over a decade later.

 

[nLiM8d]

Pretty much

Spoiler

10 chars?

(ooh! same goes for below!)