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That is different as what you are saying relates to the game's mechanics and gameplay. Things could have changed during development, and regardless the multiplayer mode was still effective in Brawl. Toad's role has already been established in Luigi's Mansion 2. They already have a rough idea of how LM2 will be working, and Miyamoto would not just say that in front of everyone in an interview if Toad did not have a major role...
Exactly. Wario Peach > Toads. You can't argue they were better choices in terms of both popularity and role. Sure they were suggested, but I doubt they beat out these two, and that's where the excuse comes into play.
I'm not sure where you're getting this. For Rosalina...how are the Mario Galaxy games not main series games? Are you saying that she hasn't been in a main series game since then? They've released one game (NSMBW) since that time. And even if she doesn't appear in the new 3DLand game, why dismiss Galaxy? There are a ton of people who want to see Geno and he hasn't made an appearance since Mario RPG on the SNES, yet you say he is "too cool to be in Smash" while calling Rosalina a joke because she hasn't been in a game since 2010. Super Mario Galaxy (the game she is most prevelant in) is the 3rd highest rated game of all time on Gamerankings and Super Mario Galaxy 2 (which she is also in) is the 2nd highest. If people can see a reason for Geno, then there is certainly reason to include Rosalina.The Mario debate is just meaningless debate for me. I honestly don't even care what happens. I just like to talk
Personally, if anyone is getting in, it should be Toad or Junior. PM is sort of like, a weird choice IMO. Just like Doc was. Anything Spin-Off is a weird choice I think. (For the Mario series at least). Waluigi and Rosalina are jokes. Rosalina is probably dead now. By dead I mean, not showing up in the main titles now. Waluigi is the poop of Mario. Geno is too cool to be in Smash.
Not for Toad usually. Where is he playable now? Luigi's Mansion 2? Is he a sidekick or playable?
I'm not sure what you mean by that unless you are using bias. Toad is also very popular as a character and has been playable before many times. Also Toads are staples to the Super Mario series with Peach. Wario only appeared in one game - a remake at that while Waluigi has no appearances so far. There is a reason why he is playable in so many games...
When you say "He could represent the spin-off games," it's kind of like you're saying "He's not really that important overall, but under this condition..." Like, you could say "Metroid Prime could be represented by Dark Samus" but, as a whole, she plays second to Ridley. Though that's probably not the best of examples. :V ANYHOW, on your point about how the roster is made, it's true to an extent, but that doesn't further your case on Waluigi much. Just because it's true he works hard to add as many characters as possible, doesn't mean he can just add characters all WILLY-NILLY. WALUIGI IS A VERY WILLY-NILLY CHARACTER. He would have to think carefully, and a bit conservatively to ensure he can get as much out of as few characters as possible. Make the most players happy, and add the most diversity to the game. I MEAN, the time spent on one character DOES take away time that could have been spent on another.
No offense or sarcasm intended, but something isn't "nonsense" just because it isn't your opinion. I've present very reasonable logic as why those characters are worthy and/or could be good additions in-game.
When in doubt, say bias.
That's why he's a candidate. Popularity.
Toad, Junior, PM, Geno, one slot. Boom. Out. Bye Waluigi.
It's alright. It happens at times.
Good point on taking time away from developing something else. I'd hope though that this time he has as much time as he wants and (as long as it might take, unfortunately) they won't announce a release date until they are in the polishing up stage of development and they don't have to add anything else major that may have to be cut.
Why on earth would you assume two? Heck you would need THREE at least, for Waluigi to be a good choice. It's one or none. Even with two, Toad and Junior slurp those up. Waluigi sucks, like your logic.
Sorry, but I can't say discussion over quite yet
. Why do you assume one slot? I doubt even Sakurai and his team know this and like i've been saying (and I could be wrong) ,I really don't think they put together the roster be saying "ok we can only have this many slots for this franchise and this many slots total". They add whoever they want based on what they think would be the most appealing, enjoyable, logical, creative, and balanced cast of characters. Waluigi being in doesnt mean Toad/Junior/PM/Geno can't make the cut (in fact, i'd argue PM could be a separate icon all together), it just means that Waluigi does make the cut. Now, if there IS only one rep for Mario to be added, Sakurai's is the only opinion that matters as to who the best choice would be, and Waluigi is the only one of the characters you listed who appeared as something greater than a sticker/trophy in Brawl (aside from Toad, who was part of Peach's moveset). So to be honest, I think if there is only one character for Mario added it certainly isn't that unlikely that it wouldn't be Waluigi. If this happens, I certainly hope they do take the approach i've discussed and give him a very creative moveset based on the spin off games.
I'm certainly not trying to attack you, just have a debate. I don't assume one, two, or any amount of spots. You can't say "it's either one or none" as fact because we simply don't know. It isn't announced or fact and I don't see a reason to assume anything. NOTHING has been announced or worked on. For all we know, they could have a 3 year dev time with a 65 character roster. Not necessarily likely, but possible. I'm not assuming anything. And saying Waluigi is a bad choice or sucks is simply your opinion and just doesn't have any barring on how good of a Smash character he'd actually be. My opinion is a character who has moves surrounding mario kart, mario party, and mario tennis WOULD be a good Smash character.
Agreed 100%
I could see a TON of characters who were technically Mario. I could see 6-7 Mario reps, plus Wario, Yoshi, and Paper Mario all with their own icons. That'd be pretty extreme, but I wouldn't rule it out.
If they made Bowser Jr or Toad in the fashion I've been proposing for Waluigi, i'd be 100% for it. My main hope is a Mario spin-off moveset and I just figured Waluigi would be the character most likley to be implemented that way. I'd be happy if any of the three were added in this way. I just think it'd be so much fun.
Maybe if he was from a franchise like WarioWare. YES. I bet he would have more fans than Syrup and Mona. But the fact is, he's just NOT. He's from he biggest gaming franchise ever, and is a poop in comparison to his counterparts.
definitely agreed. Lets say Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser all return. Then, say, they add Bowser Jr and Waluigi. Those would be the Mario reps. We'd still see Wario and Yoshi back, and if Paper Mario comes in, I believe he'd have his own icon as well.
If somebody does, please post it here too
lol I requested to join but havn't quite been accepted yet.
i was just using those characters as an example
care to elaborate? haha
