New Rankings! Pennsylvania Player Finder and Power Rankings (10/31/07)

[sweetooth]

hmmmmm..... where am i from then? @_@).. perhaps i can choose to be from Korea..
that way i can be the best in the nation.......

hahaha. this thread is too funny

 

[xyt]

South Korea has Seoul.

indeed it does. ........
we went over this didn't we =_=)..

 

[ReadySetGo]

I just like to address something before I go on to trying to defend my position. Kevin, when I first read the unedited version of your response to me, it came across to me as if you were taking personal jabs at me and my friends, which is something that upset me and seemed far from the point. It wasn't until you edited the post and added that last part about appreciating me stepping up and saying something that I was a little less angered by your post. Basically what I'm trying to say is sometimes I think you come off as a pompous prick on the boards and you don't even mean too, its just your word choice and the heat of your argument that makes it so. If this is on purpose then I am disappointed by that, because I'm fairly sure that at some point in your now almost complete college career you had to have learned about the guidelines to having a mature and tasteful argument, and maybe you should reflect on these teachings in order to garner more respect from your posts and to better portray yourself as the mature adult you should be. If this is on accident, then well maybe try to reread your posts before you put them out there, I know I do (for arguments such as this one only of course, other casual posts are rather pointless anyway). I reflect on my voice in the post and how I feel I am representing myself with my words, because it is important to me that my personality in real life is not misunderstood by people. Now it seems fitting for me to apologize for any time that I have posted and come across as a jerk or as an ignorant person, because that is not who I am in real life, and we all know whether we want to admit it or not, these words we type ARE INDEED a standard by which people judge us and make evaluations on our character.
I just wanted to bring that to everyone's attention while I was still being honest.

As a disclaimer I would like to say that by no means am I trying to attack anyone, I am just trying to have a meaningful and mature debate, and if I come across wrong or offend anyone, I would like to go ahead and apologize ahead of time. I'm sorry.

Now onto the more interesting stuff.

first off, most of the people you named don't even qualify for the list based on the criteria of activity

First, I would like to say that I was not really trying to make a case for any of the people I mentioned to be on the rankings in that post, I was merely using there results compared to yours for an argument by comparison. I apologize for not making that clear.

secondly, i challenge you to find 2 states where the panelists themselves aren't on the rankings. it's pretty logical to have the best and most active players doing the rankings as opposed to random mr scrubtacular who doesn't leave his house and can only judge people based on whether he got 3stocked or 4stocked

I see your point, and understand that the way it is makes sense. That said I will address two points at once here. First Rob volunteered to be a panelist pages back when you were looking for them and he was seemingly ignored. Second, I still believe that it is unfair that you lack an outside opinion, such as someone who is not on the rankings but has their fair share of experience and knowledge (I would suggest Rob, Taki, or Alan to be honest). Just because someone doesn't go to all the tournaments doesn't mean they don't see the results and can't add to the discussion of the rankings. Having someone like this could balance out the bias of the rankings a bit.

i'm not going to go much deeper as far as myself but rest assured my track record is significantly better than those you mentioned, and also i'd like to hear who you think are pittsburghers that 'consistently beat me'. I will concede Justin (though he doesn't 'consistently' beat me anymore) but he doesn't even go to tournaments; how can we rank him?

Alan (before he "quit") and Taki. I could possibly even make a case for Rob.

In recent memory, I've taken tournament sets off of anden, eggm, sensei, emblem lord, copycat, alexandertriad, cheezit (lol i'm just reading based on who's on the NJ rankings list, so i don't know how much weight those hold), doyoung2win, HBK, lord knight, velocity, wesley, el komosutro, nintendude. going further back i've beaten swiftbass (though he has beaten me the last 2-3x we played in tourney) and xyt (it's just been too long since we played in tourney). I've taken individual games off of chillin, g-regulate, plank, aho, jiano, husband, xif, vist, pakman, and some other players that are good but you probably haven't heard of them and they aren't worth mentioning single games on. you want to rank based on single tournament results? why don't we just remember velocity's mowfest performance and put him dead last in the state?

I don't mean to be a$$, but its hard not to here, if you are beating all of this high quality players in sets then why aren't you placing better? Who you beat in sets does matter a lot I must concede, but if you fail to get anywhere with that then what is the point, basically the finish outweighs the journey. As for the individual games you took off of people, I'm sorry but almost does not cut it. Thats like me saying I almost beat Vidjo at the last Ohio tournament, even though I was close it still meant nothing. As for the single tournament results, I agree with Mow, yes even one tournament result should not be ignored. Granted Velocity backed up his ranking with multiple other high placings, so it seems more feasible to pass that off as a fluke. I'm guessing this is a strike at Taki placing 3rd at the one Ohio tourney, that was the last tourney he entered if I remember correctly.

i placed just as consistently (as your buddybuddies did in ohio) at NJ tournies all summer with much better competition

i'd like to hear some of the wins that your best friends forever have taken

See what I addressed in my foreword, this is the kind of stuff I am talking about. That aside, again I ask you, why if you played with such a higher quality of players and beat them did you get 2-0'ed by SciFiGuy at the Ohio tourney you attended if Ohio has a lower quality of players (I apologize if the set was actually 2-1, but I really thought it was 2-0). If Ohio does have a much lower quality of players then why don't you travel their more with the hopes of placing in the money (seeing as the tournaments their are much close too)? Ohio has some great players, maybe just as many as NJ, so please don't demean a state's talent based on one tournament you attended. We have been to Ohio tournaments where Drephen, Bushman, Vidjo, Camper Bob, Sliq, 4%, ect. attended and Alan still managed to place 5th, but it seems that the panelists don't even consider these tournaments and it is because we as a play group (we being Me, Alan, Evan, Rob, and Taki) are not represented at all.

Now to briefly address what Wesley had to say.

I also appreciate your concern Matt, but as Pocky said... who in Pittsburgh besides Swift consistently beats me? I'm not unbeatable, but I honestly believe that I go better than 50% against everyone in Pittsburgh besides Swift (who mostly wrecks my ***) and Pocky (who I go about 50/50 with).

My tourney wins that matter are against Velocity (Cheezits), Pakman (VLS Pools), Swift (Smashpocalypse), Scar (Komo's), Pocky (Rock Smash), and Komo (Smashpocalypse) to name a few. The Pakman one was after rankings were done, but the others are all pretty noteworthy and as you can see from the tournies, I go to a lot of them. Not that sheer number's matter, but there are often free seats in my car to go places and no one in Pittsburgh steps up for them. If people really care about their rankings and proving their worth in the state, you need to travel a bit more. Honestly, the Pittsburgh turnout at Rock Smash was pathetic, it was just 5 of us even though that tourney was only an hour away. If you really want to prove your worth in the state, you need to go out there and show it. I know you guys go to Ohio sometimes, but your in state participation has been lacking, so it's hard for the PA smash community to know how to rank you guys.

Once again though, I really appreciate you having the courage to just throw your ideas out there. This sort of debate is much more useful than most of the arguments about rankings that have hit this thread.

Again, I do believe that you have not shown up to many Duquesne weeklies this year, so it is unfair to still conclude that no one here beats you consistently, but I do still remember at the very least Alan beating you consistently, to the point that he would mock your play style (just an observation and here say).

Once more, you list these people you beat but your results don't back it up at all, so it is rather useless. I will use Scar as an example, yes you beat him in a tourney set, but he still placed higher than you at the tourney. Which is worth more?

I agree, our play group's state participation is lacking, but that does not mean that we should be penalized for it even though some of us place well at Ohio tournaments. You and Kevin both use NJ tournaments to back up your rankings, so why shouldn't we be allowed to use Ohio tournaments? This goes back to the point I made about our play group being not represented at all in the discussions about rankings. As for other tournaments, we try and attend as many as possible that fit into our schedules, because things such as school, work, and relationships take priority over smash. We attend more Ohio tournies than other tournies because they are more convenient to us on a multitude of levels, Ohio to us is like NJ to you and Connecticut to Tim. As for attending large tournaments (such as VLS recently) I do not have it in my personal budget to afford a trip like that for a video game tournament, despite it being very fun and me wishing I could, I have to prioritize how I spend my money seeing as I have little of it (and I know I speak for many others when saying this).

I appreciate both of you valuing my opinion and understanding that this is a worthwhile discussion, my respect for both of you has greatly increased if that means anything to you.

 

[pockyD]

holy crap multiquote blocks make my head explode

i don't waste my time reflecting on my phrasing because it doesn't matter; you are going to see what you want to see in what i say; i've already admitted many MANY times to being tactless in terms of my phrasing and if people can't see around it and just read content, they aren't capable of being rational anyway. i want what i say to reflect what i think and feel, and i believe if my personality shows through, so be it. no need to beat the dead horse here

i can't remember the last time i played alan (probably in like april)... how can he beat me consistently? taki beats me consistently? yeah right.. same goes for rob; they both go at best even

iirc rob volunteered to be a panelist but simultaneously qualified it with an 'i don't know much' or an 'i don't have experience'. if you DON'T believe in yourself and have conviction for your arguments (and will just get pushed over when disagreed with) then you won't contribute anything. if i'm wrong and rob changed his mind and now thinks he'd be a better fit, well sorry we missed it. i didn't pick the panelists or do any of the administrative legwork for this round anyway
(edit: i also don't recall seeing rob in aim in like 3 months... not like i ever talk to him but last time i remember his name is in all caps so it would stand out)

also iirc, the day taki got 3rd, all of you were complaining about how easy his bracket was relative to yours. who you play doesn't matter? don't be hypocritical

i don't place consistently but neither does anyone else below me. also the fact that your tournies don't post results beyond top 3, much less a full bracket, and none of you ever seem to make top 3 besides that one time makes it difficult to consider them since none of you feel you want to be panelists. and yes, i've placed 4th/5th multiple times (not super impressive, but at the bottom of the rankings, what is?)

i've brought up plenty of people that i felt were worthy of being ranked based on merit - yes, even ala. and i can say that as far as the pittsburgh panelists go, i'm the biggest advocate BY FAR for the locals (you guys can worship tim all you want, but at the end of the day, he respects your playing ability even less than i do) - and that gets me mocked constantly by the other members of the committee. you really don't seem to have any idea the depth of discussion that goes into this stuff so it's pretty unfair to suggest a bias just because honestly, at the end of the day, your friends have not done any more to be considered than anyone else

i will make one quote

I do still remember at the very least Alan beating you consistently, to the point that he would mock your play style (just an observation and here say).

LOL please read that again and try to tell me you don't realize how ridiculous that sounds.

My point is, at the end of the day, while you're trying to convince me how biased i am against you, you're only convincing me how biased you are against me - i can do no right, everything i do well is worthless, the times i screw up should be blown up under a microscope

edit: anyway, i'll be gone soon, so you'll realize how little pull i actually have over the rankings and that it's not me that's out to get you

 

[SwiftBass]

I will say that kevin did bring up our locals more than anyone in the meetings we had. The only one I was even considering was taki, because of an recent performance @ C3 that happened to particularly impress me.

I'LL SAY THIS: From the huge amount of traveling I did all of this year(only dwarfed by velocity and Cactuar)

EC > MW undoubtedly in any respect...

 

[Cort]

So PAers, would any of you be interested in attending an ESTICLE? Cause you guys should. However, what date is good for you guys?

January 5th? Yes no?

Please respond in the CT thread: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=79080

 

[Lord Knight]

I'll play Pittsburgh.

 

[Deleted member]

wow you guys are pathetic. ****. you suck at the game AND each others' *****.

All you little stinkass *****es ain't **** and you ain't ever gonna be **** with your little tricky***** ways. PA hoes are wack @ smash, you guys cry more than you play.

STEP

IT

THE

****

UP

And to all you deceiving and spiteful ******* like "yeah mow he's a douche but i still act nice to him" I got a message. **** you. Come at me mother****ers, use your real face, not some pathetic facade "oh I just want to be friends with everyone" weak *****es. Take a shot at the real deal and challenge me, if you ****** can't touch me you ain't nothing but hopeful wannabes. Man the **** up.

 

[Lord Knight]

Smash debates mean a lot.

 

[Mogwai]

I do still remember at the very least Alan beating you consistently, to the point that he would mock your play style (just an observation and here say).

Dude, Alan is totally right to mock my playstyle, he has a 100% winning percentage against me this year, that's pretty **** consistent...

Oh wait, what's that?

He played me one game, got a win (1 stock, holy ****!!!), and then promptly left before I could play him again so that he could brag about how awesome he is compared to me..?

Man, that guy is totally awesome...



If you want people to take your argument seriously, don't use hearsay (especially when it's false), cause it makes you look like an a$$.

 

[Deleted member]

**** arguments. FIGHT.

 

[Lord Knight]

Oh Btw:


Lord Knight - Crew: THP aka: The China Girl burns with a BLUE vengance
AIM: haitiansideplya | E-mail: sb449515@sju.edu
Cell: 609-516-8006| Age: 18

I live on City Ave and go to St. JOE's. My phone is always on me, so call me if you want to play. To get here, take the R5 to Overbrook Station and my place is right there. I also go to Penn to play MELTY BLOOOOOOOOD.

EDIT:

**** arguments. FIGHT [in the electronic multiplayer game sense].

In case you needed that cleared up.

 

[Mogwai]

**** arguments. FIGHT.

Arguing is more fun, you know that. I know you ****ing love writing your ********, long-*** posts about who everyone in PA is a **** sucker and should either MM you or go jump off a bridge.

 

[pockyD]

much easier to argue on the interweb than to drive an hour to engage in meaningless combat

 

[Deleted member]

Arguing is more fun, you know that. I know you ****ing love writing your ********, long-*** posts about who everyone in PA is a **** sucker and should either MM you or go jump off a bridge.

I'm hoping to piss people off so they'll actually want to beat me rather than continuing to suck ****. I can't seem to help the fact that pittsburgh is emo, but at least scar manned up in the last 3 months.

 

[SwiftBass]

cort dec 30th......plz

XD

EDIT: on the next on the next episode of DBZ Mow goes super saiyan 4

 

[Scar]

...we all know whether we want to admit it or not, these words we type ARE INDEED a standard by which people judge us and make evaluations on our character.

Good ****. This is a true statement, and you know what, you are being mature. Alan seems to be plenty intelligent, but he's condescending, which is a serious problem in a community where a hierarchy is clearly established, and not on intelligence.

In this community, it's important not to condescend someone who will **** you. And I, particularly, am irritated by someone who tries to talk down to me, because I'm probably much better at it than they are. I go to Penn.

Who you beat in sets does matter a lot I must concede, but if you fail to get anywhere with that then what is the point, basically the finish outweighs the journey. As for the individual games you took off of people, I'm sorry but almost does not cut it.

This statement is wrong. There is no other way to put it. You simply said something contrary to truth. In fact, most of Neal's (creator of tio) tournaments have advice directing people to focus not on their placement, but rather who they beat.

This game has a lot to do with character matchups, knowledge of the game, and experience. There is no way you can't tell me that I ***** Hayato, a much more experienced and IMO better player than I, because I just know Falcon vs Doc WAY better than he does. Brackets screw people all the time: tournament placement is not unbiased by luck.

Consistent placement is far more important than individual placements are (lol @ my performance at VLS, god forbid we use that and put me at #1). Who you can consistently beat is far more important than who you beat once. Who you beat is more important than final placement.

 

[takieddine]

I'm probably much better at it than they are. I go to Penn.

**** he got you there..

 

[Harem]

I 4stock LK all day

....in Hungry Hungry Hippos

 

[SLAYERCoLdKiLr]

So yea, anyway, who ****ing loves the Flyers for wooping *** this year? We should go to scars for smash then to the stadium for a ****ing hockey game and have some laughs

 

[pockyD]

pangwins defense really sucks

 

[D20]

The Pens have two substandard goalies, too.

 

[pockyD]

yeah i meant defensemen + goalie when i said that

i don't know much about hockey terminology

 

[Renth]

I'm hoping to piss people off so they'll actually want to beat me rather than continuing to suck ****. I can't seem to help the fact that pittsburgh is emo, but at least scar manned up in the last 3 months.

you've been trying to do this for years max it's almost hopeless might have to bring back the old MM if you win you get $5 if they win they get $10 bull ****.

 

[-9Volt+]

Yeah, they need a Chara-esque defenseman, and Fleury has to step it up, too.

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

LOL smash to Flyers game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[-9Volt+]

Pens win, with LaRaque getting the game winner. what a great game.

 

[SLAYERCoLdKiLr]

Lol, Flyers gave like half the starting line of the Penguins, and Crosby needs to step that **** up. Fluery is an amazing goalie, he just doesnt have any defense. FLYERS STANLEY CUP!!

 

[Renth]

Hockey sucks

 

[Inui]

Hockey sucks

That was awesome!

 

[takieddine]

wtf is inui doing in a PA thread?!

 

[Inui]

wtf is inui doing in a PA thread?!

I'm friends with a lot of PA players, like Renth and Cactuar. >_>;

 

[Renth]

I'm friends with a lot of PA players, like Renth and Cactuar. >_>;

i live in florida now but i just posted that because i'm like all through it

 

[Inui]

i live in florida now but i just posted that because i'm like all through it

Oh, yeah.

Well HF getting amazing through being ***** by the most technical spacies ever.

 

[Renth]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=3305239#post3305239

 

[Renth]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=125853&page=7

many more new matches coming soon.

 

[Pakman]

Hockey sucks

That awful rendition of Don't Stop me Now made my ears bleed.

 

[pockyD]

yes the man inside me is sad as well

 

[Velocity]

That awful rendition of Don't Stop me Now made my ears bleed.

aggreeed..

 

[Deleted member]

holy **** my friend john is good at this game for no reason lol.