New R.O.B. Technique?

[Neo X]

Hey ROBers! What I'm about to show you deals with increasing the range of R.O.B.'s side-b. Seems useful but VERY HARD to do sadly. I wanna know if it can be useful or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHqsET-rxQE

HOW TO DO:

1) Short hop while moving at one direction.
2) When you start falling, side-b at same direction moved, but then switch direction as QUICKLY as possible (aka b-reversal)! Hold analog stick at direction you face after b-reversal.
3) While holding analog stick at the direction you're facing after b-reversal, keep tapping B. (may be optional)

So whats your opinion about this technique?

 

[Silhouette]

If side B were good this would help, and since its so difficult to pull off its definitely not worth trying in a match.

I've seen the version of this without the B-reverse, this ones cooler tho.

 

[TheMike]

Thanks for sharing this with us, Neo X, but as Sil said, it really isn't useful. Difficult to pull off and Side B not being good AT ALL as an attack. It is useful only for momentum canceling, edgeguarding Olimar when he uses Super Armor and reflecting his pikmins, too.

We could also be punished hard using this for it having too much ending lag.

 

[Silhouette]

yeah sry thanks for posting it.

 

[Neo X]

I see. Thanks for the share of thought!

 

[Zwarm]

Hmm, if this works in Brawl-, I can imagine it being useful. =)

 

[6Mizu]

I've done this multiple times while messing around in training. I never thought it was "important" so....I never bothered to tell anyone.

 

[Sudai]

It's been posted on the boards before. Side-B is so useless everyone always just dismisses it.

 

[6Mizu]

It's been posted on the boards before. Side-B is so useless everyone always just dismisses it.

It's not completely useless. OCEAN uses it!

 

[Tin Man]

Nothing Side B can do is useful.

 

[Zwarm]

Nothing Side B can do is useful.

Lies!

This video is proof that it can be used against people when they are being predictable. :D

EDIT: Wow, this was just a month ago, and I've gotten a lot better since then. I'm proud of myself. =P

 

[Sudai]

Lucario is one of the few exceptions to where Side B even has a use. It won't be useful vs good Lucarios and even if it were, this would only help to get to an edge to edge guard faster.

 

[Silhouette]

It can be useful to edgeguard Diddy.

Beats his side B and knocks him out of barrels, which puts him in tons of lag.

 

[Sudai]

FAir is better at the first, gyro is better at the second (best if in hand, of course) but you could even use bananas for this. Being third string option for edge guarding Diddy isn't really useful either. :/

 

[TheMike]

It's also useful against Olimar's recovery whether the player can use the Down B's Super Armor correctly so as to avoid ROB's Fair. Using Side B instead, at leat one hit you'll get. =)

 

[6Mizu]

This thread went from "new ROB tech" to "Side-b's viability". That's kinda funny.

 

[T0MMY]

This thread went from "new ROB tech" to "Side-b's viability". That's kinda funny.

Do not underestimate R.O.B.'s F-Special! ([o 0]
Haha...
But, it actually works well on floaty characters like Wario and maybe Peach. It's just so bad in general it hardly gets used, but try it on those characters and see.

 

[Silhouette]

FAir is better at the first, gyro is better at the second (best if in hand, of course) but you could even use bananas for this. Being third string option for edge guarding Diddy isn't really useful either. :/

actually its way better than you think, given its situational. If diddy is below the ledge and begins charging barrels, you create a wall he cant pass. F-air and B-air send him outward, where he can recharge his barrels, but this drops him downward, where you can beat him to the ledge.

 

[6Mizu]

This thread went from "new ROB tech" to "Side-b's viability". That's kinda funny.

Do not underestimate R.O.B.'s F-Special! ([o 0]
Haha...
But, it actually works well on floaty characters like Wario and maybe Peach. It's just so bad in general it hardly gets used, but try it on those characters and see.

It also ends up "shield stabbing" because most people just hold up their shield when they see it.

 

[Tmacc]

Point of discussion: side b is rather useless. =)

 

[Neo X]

I do know one way of using side b. Whenever your opponent's shield is small, you can use it to shield poke them. (I didn't actually try that out I just thought it could work)

 

[6Mizu]

I do know one way of using side b. Whenever your opponent's shield is small, you can use it to shield poke them. (I didn't actually try that out I just thought it could work)

I already said this. Just in different wording. >.>

It also ends up "shield stabbing" because most people just hold up their shield when they see it.

 

[Neo X]

I already said this. Just in different wording. >.>

Ohhhhh. I didn't know they meant the same thing.

 

[TheMike]

I think that if you break your opponent's shield using Side B's first hits, he'll probably get hit by the last ones. I'm not sure though.

 

[Sudai]

He can probably still grib you between hits though.

 

[GwJ]

It's been posted on the boards before. Side-B is so useless everyone always just dismisses it.

But you can live like 2% longer with it!

 

[Sudai]

1% on like all stages but 1.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I already said this. Just in different wording. >.>

Yeah then I DI'd out of it and F-smashed you >.>

TL;DR

Multi-hit sucks.

 

[Jamnt0ast]

I'll use it. I love side B. Thanks :D

 

[Jorgeme]

Thanks for sharing this with us, Neo X, but as Sil said, it really isn't useful. Difficult to pull off and Side B not being good AT ALL as an attack. It is useful only for momentum canceling, edgeguarding Olimar when he uses Super Armor and reflecting his pikmins, too.

When you guys tested momentum canceling did you test wavebouncing side B/gryo after a fair?

 

[Silhouette]

When you guys tested momentum canceling did you test B-Reversing side B/gryo after a fair?

fixd

I've pondered this alot, Its really awkward to pull off and when I thought I did it right it didn't seem to change it much.

 

[GwJ]

TheMike didn't do it. That was myself and Fishy. Wavebouncing it had no notable effect. Maybe if we could double the size of the largest stage possible, maybe it'd get us another percent or two, but it doesn't help.

 

[Darth Waffles]

Trivia: That was actually one of the first things I tried, since I got the idea from the Zelda boards one day. Wavebouncing a Neutral B worked for them, but it doesn't work for us.

How long do I have to disappear from the forums for before I become famous just for posting once in awhile?

 

[TheMike]

Yeah. I was not even around these boards at the moment.

 

[T0MMY]

fixd

I've pondered this alot, Its really awkward to pull off and when I thought I did it right it didn't seem to change it much.

Thanks for fixing that wavebouncing to B-reversal. Personally, I think Gay-swizzler Turning has a better sound to it. Just flows off the tongue.

I actually prefer reversing the momentum of the Gyro-charge after a F-air rather than the Arm Rotor.
Actually, I'd rather use the Gyro in ANY situation over the Arm Rotor...

 

[GwJ]

Trivia: That was actually one of the first things I tried, since I got the idea from the Zelda boards one day. Wavebouncing a Neutral B worked for them, but it doesn't work for us.

How long do I have to disappear from the forums for before I become famous just for posting once in awhile?

Not long enough. <3

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Just don't tap B so there won't be as much ending lag.

Or you can just not use it.

ROFLCopter is just too ridiculously useless. It's ROB's equivalent to Cario's DT.

 

[Ze3rox]

Oh well, Ocean knows how to use the Side-B pretty well!
In my case, i only use it for Lucario (epic win <3), and sometimes for Diddy.

 

[Mister Eric]

ROFLCopter is just too ridiculously useless. .

Eh, I use it at times. Not saying I know when to use it, but who ever sees that **** coming? lol

 

[Silhouette]

Thanks for fixing that wavebouncing to B-reversal. Personally, I think Gay-swizzler Turning has a better sound to it. Just flows off the tongue.

I'm calling it that from now on, just sayin.

Eh, I use it at times. Not saying I know when to use it, but who ever sees that **** coming? lol

If you can catch them in their shield on the ground and pump the S*** outa B, I constantly have people misjudge how long it lasts and get stabbed.