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New Move Sets? Itsamea Mario!

kirbykid

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He’s our George Washington. He was there in the beginning. He lead us into this war strong. And now his head pops up just about everywhere. He’s in just about every sporting event imaginable, and with he debut into the 2008 Olympics, he collect more world status. He’s more Super than Superman. And the only thing he’s high on is his jump. Let’s all give it up, for the one and only, Mario Mario!

<img src="http://smashboards.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/super_mario_by_jatothemuthafinc.jpg" alt="Mario cannot croon bro" align="middle" height="459" width="334" />

Too bad he’s mid tier. I know the common thing to do with Mario is to make him the balanced character. But in a fighting game, balanced means you kind of suck. Let’s face it. Being “balanced” in a racing game (Mario Kart) means good acceleration, good turning, and a good speed. That’s balanced because most of the categories are good (meaning better than average). According to Sakurai and Melee, balanced means you have a bland projectile, a decent recovery that’s fairly easy to guard against, and (here’s my favorite part) no kill moves. Once again, I’m exaggerating, but still. If this were Mario Kart, it would be like saying “you’re not very fast, and you can’t turn well, so everything is going to be hard for you. But enjoy being balanced.”

For Brawl, everyone needs to be designed to be high tiers. So lets get cracking.<!--more-->

<strong>Fire Ball</strong>: With this move, what you see is what you get. There aren’t any hidden gems. Hit B, a fire ball comes out. It might hit someone for a little damage, but it’s nothing major. As far as <strong>good </strong>projectiles go, there are a few categories they fall under. 1) Meant to rack up damage (Fox’s Blaster) 2) Kill (Stitch-Face Turnip/Samus Max Shot) 3) Stun (Links Bombs, Falco’s Laser, Young Link’s Arrow). All three of these factors are balanced, in theory, to each character’s abilities. So what are Mario’s good for? Not much at this point. This move used to be one of the most powerful and versatile moves in Super Mario Bros. You could even <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtiM40KPn2s">kill bowser with just a handful of fire</a>! What can be done to bring back the fun and glory?
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<li>Tripple their life span. Just like in Mario Bros, the balls should travel on and on. Fox/Falco lasers travel without end so it seems. So why does Mario’s less versatile projectile just stop? This is a pathetic oversight.</li>
<li>The Fireball should travel faster. Bring the terrifying speed of the Super Mario Bros. fire balls back in action. In Melee, when I see them coming, my brain takes a nap.</li>
<li>Mario should be able to run and throw fire balls without stopping. Just like from all of his other games.</li>
<li>Mario should be able to throw a maximum of 2 balls at any given time (just like from Super Mario Bros.) This would be a wonderul way to balance this move while throwing in a bit of style. If you miss, you’ll have to wait until they run off the stage. This would be very similar to Link missing his boomerang.</li>
<li>Mario should be able to throw the balls faster. This way, he can rapidly spam opponents if he gets close like he could from the old games. Of course, the move will get weaker with continual use.</li>
<li>Also, the knock back from getting hit should send opponents in the direction the ball was moving.It’s only a little knock back, but it would be enough to feel the significance of such a move. Also, I don’t want to aid enemie’s recoveries by hitting them in the face with a fire ball. It should push them away a least a little especially if it resets their up+Bs.</li>
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<strong>Mario Tornado:</strong> I believe this move was inspired by Mario’s spinning twirling ability that he gained in Super Mario World. Check it out here at the beginning of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmmz7SOToXs">this video</a>. As you can see, that was pretty sweet. Mario can still retain his famous jumping ability even while spinning. And the spinning allows him to jump off of dangerous objects unharmed. The Tornado in Melee is used strictly as a recovery move. On the ground, it really has no use. Opponents can easy DI out of it. It doesn’t have a lot of priority. And it has a lot of lag. Also, it’s not very strong. Wow. You have to wonder what they were thinking? Let’s fix it.
<ul>
<li>If Mario lands on an enemy (or other attackable object [crate]) then he should be able to time a jump and rebound off of it. Sounds like footstood jumping? It should. Remember, I’m trying to balance Melee.</li>
<li>This move needs less lag on the end. Thankfully, in Brawl this problem has already been addressed. Check out the Nintendo World Video 2006.</li>
<li>They needed to do a better job about how this move sucks enemies in. DI (especially crouch canceling) is too good at times. Just by leaning in a direction, you can simply “fall” out of a tornado attack. Somehow, they managed to program Peach’s down smash to suck you in even when you’re standing three miles away. Just give Mario that kind of suction. This would be neat especially considering that this move doesn’t have a lot of knock back or priority (unlike somebody’s down smash).</li>
</ul>
<strong>Coin Punch:</strong> [STAMP] I like this move. The priority it has is well deserved. This <em>is </em>Mario we’re talking about. He’s using the move that made it all possible for the rest of the Melee crew to exist. It has just the right mount of lag and knock back. I have no complaints. But one thing they could add is….
<ul>
<li>More range. Oh wait, it appears this problem has been addressed for Brawl also. hmmm. Mario is really shaping up.</li>
</ul>
<strong>Cape: </strong>[STAMP] What can be said about the cape. It does a good amount of damage. It turns enemies around. It has crazy physics involved. It hovers Mario in the air for better recoveries. It can reflect projectiles. And it’s one of the few moves that can effect opponents while they’re shielding. This move has it all. The only thing I can do now is… add more.
<ul>
<li> Mario’s pretty quick in Melee. But it would be cooler if Mario moved faster in the air than he did on the ground, forcing people to utilize his platforming prowess. This would only be cool if, Mario could gather speed while running. Does everyone remember the “P” meter? If not, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J31klTM6q78">check it out here</a>. On the first level you can see it fill up.</li>
<li>Cape + Glide. The only way I see this move being balanced is forcing Mario to gather up some speed first. This is why I suggested the “P” meter type effect for his running ability. I know the cape was pretty “broken” in Super Mario world, but I don’t care. It’s too cool not to put it in smash.</li>
</ul>
You see? That wasn’t so hard. With these changes to his B moves and some tweaking to his A moves, and we have ourselves a nice balanced high tier character worry of leading us into the next generation of Smash. *hums the Mushroom Kingdom anthem*

Edit: I forgot to give you guys a Mario sample. How about <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiSoNcI3YA4">some Eggz .</a>
 

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I agree it would be nice if Mario could Cape glide. And as it's just a normal aspect for some characters, I don't suspect that anything special would be needed to allow Mario to glide back with his cape. However again I'll state that Luigi seems to be getting screwed. He didn't have his cape in Melee... -_-
 

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man i would like it if mario became a high tier player i always liked to use him nd the thing u brought up about the fireball attacks is a very good idea
 

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eh Kirbykid, you added this today so you surely should have knoen that he had a new special (but then again how can youanalyze a move nobody has seen in action). I would love to see Mario be given more weight as a character. He is Mr. Nintendo after all. But I agree Mario is seeming to really shape up for brawl.

Fox you're going down :demon:
 

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oh wait how Mario moves ahould be revamped *looks at Cape Glide comment mentioned* yeah that would be cool...then he falls down to the ground and hit enemies like he did in Super Mario World
 

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Just wanted to say KirbyKid, I've really enjoyed reading your expanded movesets. It adds a lot of insight into what could be done to improve all the characters.
 

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Everyone can't be a Falco. Sorry.
Argument #1 That's where you're wrong. Everyone can be Falco if the developers cared enough. And it seems like Sakurai cares more now than he did with Melee. It could be the extra time, the extra staff, the extra money, or the extra fame.

Argument #2. Yeah, you're right. Cause then there wouldn't be any characters to play with at ALL in Brawl.

(See what I did there. I assumed Falco got cut. :psycho:)
 

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im wondering if he didnt cut a lot of the high tier characters from melee. i've neither seen or heard nothing of falco marth or sheik. i believe sheik is gone unless he is his own character now.
 

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yea, but i don't see why his absence in tp should effect his return. i mean hes a ninja. why cut a ninja?
 

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well i've messed with him a few times but found out that i was not the mario prodigy i would to like to have been.
 

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Despite that Zelda is Sheik's tru idenity...Sheik is declared a boy in the Manga and Loz OoT the game....sheik was only called a girl in SSBM and that we already knew it was Zelda in the beginning....but still...Magic or Not Sheik is a boy..At least I think that way


....how did we go from Mario to Sheik being a boy or girl????
 

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mario doesn't suck your crazy lol.....but shiek is being cut 1. they only bring back or put characters that have been in recent games or are a big part of the game example peach. 2. he wasn't in TP. 3. it wouldn't make sense if he was in SSBB.
 

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mario doesn't suck your crazy lol.....but shiek is being cut 1. they only bring back or put characters that have been in recent games or are a big part of the game example peach. 2. he wasn't in TP. 3. it wouldn't make sense if he was in SSBB.
u dont kno if sheik is being cut or not....in fact none of us kno....but just because He wasnt in TP that doesnt mean he doesnt have a chance of being herre now....

*sigh*
do you guys hate me.....
why do you ignor me:(
I didnt see what u posted so I didnt ignore u LOL
 

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I have played Super Mario World. And not only have I played it, I beat it, completed Star Road, and found all the Yoshi coins.

What I don't understand is how the cape could be utilized to run faster in Smash. Like how would you do that?
dam...nice

Im guessing that it would just simply increase yur speed is all....:)
 

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Despite that Zelda is Sheik's tru idenity...Sheik is declared a boy in the Manga and Loz OoT the game....sheik was only called a girl in SSBM and that we already knew it was Zelda in the beginning....but still...Magic or Not Sheik is a boy..At least I think that way


....how did we go from Mario to Sheik being a boy or girl????
LOL... I WAS ONLY JOKING ... I DIDNT KNOW IT WAS TRUE LOL:laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

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dam...nice

Im guessing that it would just simply increase yur speed is all....:)
Thank you.

And if that's the case, then that wouldn't really be a B move change, but more of a character change.
Unless of course, you cape, and then hold down B...

OH! I can see it now! Mario capes and if you hold down B he follows through with his swing and ties it to his neck. If you continue to hold B, Mario will be able to run faster and jump higher and even gain the ability to glide! SWEETNESS!

Maybe Mario could bounce off enemies too? That could be like a spike or meteor... pretty much just another opportunity for Mario to FsJ.
 

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Thank you.

And if that's the case, then that wouldn't really be a B move change, but more of a character change.
Unless of course, you cape, and then hold down B...

OH! I can see it now! Mario capes and if you hold down B he follows through with his swing and ties it to his neck. If you continue to hold B, Mario will be able to run faster and jump higher and even gain the ability to glide! SWEETNESS!

Maybe Mario could bounce off enemies too? That could be like a spike or meteor... pretty much just another opportunity for Mario to FsJ.
FsJ? what does that mean?
 

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only in Brawl was Sheik called a girl.....well we all kno it Zelda, the anatomy of the character not to mention how Sheik was called a guy in game and Manga...so basically....b4 they had plastic surgery...they had magic...well then that something new O.o
Sheik was called a guy by Ruto, who either: A) Didn't know about Sheik being Zelda; or B) Knew, and was playing along to hide Zelda's true identity.

...and the manga doesn't count because it's non-canon.

...and the thought of Zelda changing her gender for no reason other than "just because" is mind-boggling. What would she need to change her sex for? If she was ever capture by Ganondorf was he going to rip her clothes off thinking "she" was a "he"? Are you calling Ganondorf GAY!? How dare you make such slanderous lies about Ganondorf, the root and epitome of evil! I shall defend him with my honour!

HAVE-AT YOU, NAVE!!!

Just playin'... but seriously, he's not gay... and Sheik (Zelda) is female.
 

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Sheik was called a guy by Ruto, who either: A) Didn't know about Sheik being Zelda; or B) Knew, and was playing along to hide Zelda's true identity.

...and the manga doesn't count because it's non-canon.

...and the thought of Zelda changing her gender for no reason other than "just because" is mind-boggling. What would she need to change her sex for? If she was ever capture by Ganondorf was he going to rip her clothes off thinking "she" was a "he"? Are you calling Ganondorf GAY!? How dare you make such slanderous lies about Ganondorf, the root and epitome of evil! I shall defend him with my honour!

HAVE-AT YOU, NAVE!!!

Just playin'... but seriously, he's not gay... and Sheik (Zelda) is female.
well tru that shieks identity is Zelda yes....besides....look at Sheik closely...and be honest....have u ever seen a girl that flat chested?????:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
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