Kirby knight
Smash Lord
How so? Since the flight path is fairly predictable he can easily be footstooled to his doom.
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New How To: Gliding
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Takeshi245
Smash Champion
Good point. Gliding isn't broken. If you were invincible and could change direction, then it would be broken.
ness4life
Smash Journeyman
...For some reason when I read this update all I could think of was a picture of Snake madly flapping his arms in an attempt to glide as he fell to his doom.
That was awesome.
That was awesome.
Kelp Plankton
Smash Apprentice
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Gliding is countered by that hopping thing, as others have said. Someone trying to get back on the stage? Gliding isn't a fast thing. Hop on them, hop back to the stage, they get KO'd.
In some cases, gliding may get you -killed- where other options could save you.
In some cases, gliding may get you -killed- where other options could save you.
Takeshi245
Smash Champion
LOL. Anyways, gliding is a fun addition. It isn't broken and can lead to new strategies.
/signed
Great post =)
freeman123
Smash Lord
I bet Paper Mario can glide if he's in the game. He'd drift through the air like a piece of paper.
cazoup
Smash Apprentice
hmm charzard can glide pretty good now but can u amagine if he lost weight ...... wow he would be a speedy glider........ or maybe hes just big boned. either way he should eat at subway more befor entering this game. or maybe follow one of richard simmons vids and diet plans. hehe
Gargomon251
Smash Journeyman
Maybe he could quick-change to airplane mode? The physics are exactly like the aforementioned diagram.
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Why do you keep saying "Che"?Che.....this update can rot in Hades!!!
That's SHUTTLE. This ain't POKER. And Shuttle loop will have much more curve to it, if it's anything like the attack from KSS
Mewtwo doesn't float on air currents, he levitates with psychic power. Ergo, NO GLIDE.
Actually, FSJ is based on a Kirby mechanic.
The sky probably changes over time, like every other stage.
What ABOUT him?
What is DJ and how do you "gimp" someone?
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
LMFAO at people who think footstooling is a viable edgeguarding move, despite not having a hitbox and requiring perfect timing.
Dair spike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Footstool.
As for gliding, its gonna be abused big time in higher level play, how?
You're fighting pit... You forward smash him, edgeguard time.. right? Wrong.
The Pit you're fighting isnt a total n00b. He smash DI's diagonally upwards, and glides back to the stage at the top of the screen.
I dislike this update. Footstooling I dont mind so much, it looks totally sweet if you can pull it off, but DIFFICULT TO DO, unlike ''hold a button'' which is what this game seems to think is a good idea for the most part. hold a button, jeez.
Dair spike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Footstool.
As for gliding, its gonna be abused big time in higher level play, how?
You're fighting pit... You forward smash him, edgeguard time.. right? Wrong.
The Pit you're fighting isnt a total n00b. He smash DI's diagonally upwards, and glides back to the stage at the top of the screen.
I dislike this update. Footstooling I dont mind so much, it looks totally sweet if you can pull it off, but DIFFICULT TO DO, unlike ''hold a button'' which is what this game seems to think is a good idea for the most part. hold a button, jeez.
Pyr0
Smash Ace
I'm thinking of short-hoped glides followed by L-canceled multi-hit aerial attack of Metaknight (the one he used in the trailer) as a possible combo/strategy.
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
Come to think of it, that would be awesome.
Im just worried that players with really good DI will be impossible to kill if they smash DI upwards, then glide back to the stage...
I mean how are you going to edgeguard them if theyre literally flying from the top of the screen...
Rash
Smash Ace
The game is giving you more options, and is characterizing the fighters with new abilities in order to keep things fresh and interesting. I really don't see what the problem is.
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
The problem is they're making things like crouch cancelling, falcon's gentleman, and links hookshot AUTOMATIC, instead of requiring timing, they ask you to hold a button.
This does not make things intresting.
That's actually a really cool update and I think that the people complaining need to step away from the computer for a while. Honestly, to make gliding useful to you, you need to know how to use it. When to increase speed, decrease speed, and how you're going to dodge those projectiles while tilting up and down with perfect timing. The only thing I see this being used for is theoretically sweetspotting. Like tether recoveries, it's just another way to increase the challenge, which is always welcomed.
Gargomon251
Smash Journeyman
Gentleman?
Pieman0920
Smash Master
Hmm..Pit's swords are connected in one picture, and not in another, and it's the same technique. I guess this confirms that there is some type of stance thing going on with him. (Even if it is just a visual stance, and doesn't change his moves)
WoapGang
Mighty Soul of Woapgang
i never said they could attack....
Kirby knight
Smash Lord
http://www.smashwiki.com/wiki/Gentleman
The Gentleman refers to the third hit of Captain Falcon's standing neutral A combo, when it is not followed by rapid punches.
lumpey
Smash Rookie
well sakurai prolly knows what hes doing, he realizes (i hope) that meta/pit can come back easily to the stage. so he'll put (i hope) a counter to glide, so the game's not broken.
well there are counters like d-air or FSJ, but when, as some said, top players DI upwards then come back at the top of the stage or do something even more disgusting.......wait, we already got a counter to that; *puts on a cap* IVYSAUR, BULLET SEED!!! then combo till death...
for other characters, they might have like strong u-airs or fast/long ranged up smash, and dont forget projectiles that can interrupt their nice and pleasant flight...thank you for choosing, death-to-glide-abusers airline, we all hope you wont come back on the stage.
what i mean is, gliding is predictable, cuz it seems to be pretty slow. and, if he comes back from/on the top of the screen/stage, well, just wait for him to fall, cuz he'll have to stop one day, since he can't change direction. yea, just wait below the glider preparing your grap or up-smash or whatever, if they start gliding then you shouldnt really care about edgeguarding; glide speed<<<<<<<wavedash/SHFFL/jumpspeed
well there are counters like d-air or FSJ, but when, as some said, top players DI upwards then come back at the top of the stage or do something even more disgusting.......wait, we already got a counter to that; *puts on a cap* IVYSAUR, BULLET SEED!!! then combo till death...
for other characters, they might have like strong u-airs or fast/long ranged up smash, and dont forget projectiles that can interrupt their nice and pleasant flight...thank you for choosing, death-to-glide-abusers airline, we all hope you wont come back on the stage.
what i mean is, gliding is predictable, cuz it seems to be pretty slow. and, if he comes back from/on the top of the screen/stage, well, just wait for him to fall, cuz he'll have to stop one day, since he can't change direction. yea, just wait below the glider preparing your grap or up-smash or whatever, if they start gliding then you shouldnt really care about edgeguarding; glide speed<<<<<<<wavedash/SHFFL/jumpspeed
freeman123
Smash Lord
I don't know why people think that gliding is too cheap and will make it too easy for those characters to recover. It's just a watered down version of Peach's floating.
There are two words that get thrown around a lot in Brawl discussion: broken and confirmed. I'll be taking the time to rant about the first one.
Lets rewind 6 years and imagine there was a blog with daily updates about the upcoming Melee game. Now imagine that we got a character profile for Samus that detailed her special moves and recovery. I can hear the complaints now, "OMFG! homing missiles, thats a broken edge guard, i bet she get banned from tourneys", or, "Bomb jumping and the grapple beam??!?! Broken as ****. Nintendo must be trying their hardest to ruin the game for everyone." Now Samus sits as an average character in the mid tiers.
In Melee, most of the KO's came from edge play. Very technical fast paced edge guarding that moved so quickly many novice players can't even tell what's happening. It looks like Sakurai is going to improve everyone's recovery to try to balance the amount of side/top KO's with the number of KO's that come from edge guarding.
I wouldn't worry about your favorite character getting stuck in the lower tiers because of a comparatively bad recovery. From what we have seen so far all characters have recoveries better than what we would have expected in Melee. Winged characters can glide, tether recoveries now automatically target ledges, Ike has a period of invincibility for his up-b, and you can see Mario covering a huge horizontal and vertical distance in the "You must recover!" update. How long is it going to take before people realize that the updates that first shocked them are going to become the norm for Brawl?
Lets rewind 6 years and imagine there was a blog with daily updates about the upcoming Melee game. Now imagine that we got a character profile for Samus that detailed her special moves and recovery. I can hear the complaints now, "OMFG! homing missiles, thats a broken edge guard, i bet she get banned from tourneys", or, "Bomb jumping and the grapple beam??!?! Broken as ****. Nintendo must be trying their hardest to ruin the game for everyone." Now Samus sits as an average character in the mid tiers.
In Melee, most of the KO's came from edge play. Very technical fast paced edge guarding that moved so quickly many novice players can't even tell what's happening. It looks like Sakurai is going to improve everyone's recovery to try to balance the amount of side/top KO's with the number of KO's that come from edge guarding.
I wouldn't worry about your favorite character getting stuck in the lower tiers because of a comparatively bad recovery. From what we have seen so far all characters have recoveries better than what we would have expected in Melee. Winged characters can glide, tether recoveries now automatically target ledges, Ike has a period of invincibility for his up-b, and you can see Mario covering a huge horizontal and vertical distance in the "You must recover!" update. How long is it going to take before people realize that the updates that first shocked them are going to become the norm for Brawl?
JPTight
Smash Cadet
thats true bob-e.
Charizard will probably be slow and have bad mobility so his gliding ability will balance that a little just like Pit is probably not very strong and fast. I'm guessing metanight moves like a heavier Kirby.
Charizard will probably be slow and have bad mobility so his gliding ability will balance that a little just like Pit is probably not very strong and fast. I'm guessing metanight moves like a heavier Kirby.
Gargomon251
Smash Journeyman
But why is it called that? And why is the move so important? because there's less recovery time?
and Falco can't do that...
pokemega32
Smash Apprentice
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Are these names even official?
Because the Nintendo Power huide calls the third hit of his neutral A "Knee"
Nothing special...
blayde_axel
Smash Master
That's assuming the glider doesn't do a quick UpB and silences the Footstooler.
Pluvia's other account
Smash Master
..Then the footstooler will jump and UpB their way back to the platform, and taunt the glider as they fall helplessly to their death.That's assuming the glider doesn't do a quick UpB and silences the Footstooler.
cloudz
Smash Journeyman
im pretty sure you cant use Moves after an UpB till you land on the ground.
hopefully brawl will be the same way.
saberhof
Smash Master
so anyone who glides will be vulnerable to attacks?...or will you be able to attack during a glide. thats my doubt >_>..cause then there would have to be a way to cancel this technique pretty fast...this can maybe be used to link combos OMG =O!
you can probably exit quickly. If you will be able to attack mid-air, it would be WAY to overpowered.
Gargomon251
Smash Journeyman
Double post much?
BokutoGuy
Smash Journeyman
i like this update alot, if falcos in brawl you can bet he can glide
saberhof
Smash Master
that would be sweet. =D
With those stubby-*** wings? >_>