NEW Brawl Theory - Mid-game moveset changes.

[A6M Zero]

I thought of this myself. if someone else thought of it before me, all power to them, but I thought of this, I'm posting it, don't get angry at me for "stealing ideas".



There have been many rumors flying around that you will be able to pick what moveset you will use before the game. I think this is false, but let's continue.

This game will be playable with a classic controller, GameCube Controller, aswell as a Wiimote and Wiimote with Nunchuk. This leaves many different control aspects. If the controls are not customizeable, that means the C-stick/Button will no longer by used for smash attacks, as the wiimote does not have a C-Stick. The D-Pad is already being used for taunts, so that's out. That means that there are certain buttons that are no longer being used.


Let's take a look at Fox, first of all."It appears that Fox is holding his blaster all the time, it's unknown how this will effect his moveset."

Right before his final smash there's no blaster in his hand.

No Blaster

No Blaster


As a matter of fact, there's many images where he doesn't have his blaster.

Also, let's take a look at Mario, this next bit has been examined before, but I'd like to shine a brand new light on it.

<Down Special Move: F.L.U.D.D.>

It appears Mario has a new special move! It’s F.L.U.D.D.

He really is carrying F.L.U.D.D. on his back!

Tilt the Control Stick down and press the B Button to charge up...

Hose ‘em down! Blast those enemies away.

It does absolutely no damage—it’s just for sending opponents great distances. You can even charge it up while shielding. It’s best used in critical moments.

Huh? What happened to the down special move he’s had up until now—the Mario Tornado

He still seems to have this move, though.
Eh? Is it a normal attack?!


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I don't think so. Let's get straight to my theory.

It's my belief that by pressing the C-Button/Stick or some other assigned button, you will be able to switch between two versions of that character, each with slight variations. Fox with his blaster out will be slower but do more damage, Mario will use the F.L.U.D.D moveset or the normal moveset.

I believe that you will be able to switch between the two versions of the character during the battle.

Ie. "Mario uses his down-B and does Mario Tornado. Mario then presses C and uses down-B again, taking out the F.L.U.D.D"

It would add unbelievable depth to the game instantly. It's easy. It would be easy to limit with a time limit or something along the lines of "Must do so-so damage" or "Can only switch above X damage" Or something like that, each specific to the character. And most of all, it fits perfectly.




Everybody, tell me what you think, I want to develop this theory as much as possible.

 

[Wreked]

The mario tornado is most likely mario's down air.

And the fox blaster arguement isn't a very strong one. It could mean anything.

 

[x4FoSho4x]

I agree with you A6M Zero. Look at pit. One time he has one blade then he has two. Your most likely right but I think a lot of people knew about this already.

 

[A6M Zero]

I'm not so sure, I haven't seen a post that has actually said this. I've seen things that point towards more Zelda/Sheik transformations and before game selections, but never this.

 

[Burninator]

Fox does have a holster, you know. Also refer to the infamous quote from the bottom of the Dojo site.

Screen shots on this site are all under development and subject to change.

Mario Tornado looks like a down air, seeing as it has only been used in the air during screen shots and videos. Also, while your argument would explain the ability to switch between the laser whip and blaster while playing as ZS Samus, that can easily be marked as her down special move.

 

[Speedsk8er]

Mario Tornado looks like a down air, seeing as it has only been used in the air during screen shots and videos.

Dairs shouldn't defy gravity like that. I think it's his Down B in the air.

 

[Burninator]

Dairs shouldn't defy gravity like that. I think it's his Down B in the air.

It's been labeled as a "normal attack." Wouldn't that make it a "special move?"

EDIT: Also, there is now a hitbox surrounding his feet while using Mario Tornado, which is apparent in the "Snake Joins the Brawl!" video. This can easily be seen as a hint toward the Mario Tornado being a Dair.

 

[Speedsk8er]

It's been labeled as a "normal attack." Wouldn't that make it a "special move?"

I don't recall Sakurai, the games freaking director labelling it as a normal attack. He said,"eh? is it a normal attack?" but he didn't out and say it. Having it as Down B in the air would make the most sense. As, tornado was useless on the ground anyway, thus it being replaced with FLUDD. All pictures of FLUDD have shown Mario using it on the ground just like all pics and vids have mario doing tornado in the air.

I don't wanna argue about this. It was just my point of view.

 

[Burninator]

I don't wanna argue about this. It was just my point of view.

Feel free to view it however you like. Unlike many here (I'm hesitant about using the word "most"), I'm not one to verbally attack others. Your point is just as valid as mine.

 

[The_Smash_Champ]

This will make the game so deep and amazing, i think your onto somthing here....Maybe Gannondorf will switch betwen his sword and his melee, kind of like Mortal Kombat.

 

[Brockman5]

this idea would be great indeed...and i thought it would be something like this for some time...too

 

[M.K]

Of course, there will obviously be dominant moves, movesets, and recovery. Certain moves will be used as a main stay.
When it boils down to it, a certain character's moveset will be the same all around in the competitive environment.

 

[T-major]

this would be a stupid Idea... I'm sorry, but switching between movesets mid-match is a horrible idea. it would be nothing more then an annoyance to have to constantly keep switching between movesets; it would screw up any possible combo's the game could have, as well as possibly make game play slower....

also, you have little to no proof to back up this theory.

every showing of the Mario tornado has been in the air, so it's either his new down aerial attack, or his down B when used in the air. it's that simple

as for Fox, maybe they changed it? maybe he takes his blaster to fire it, then leaves it out, only putting it away after certant moves.

sorry if I come off as rude in this post, but really.... this is just a stupid idea, and would ruin many aspects of what Makes smash bros. so great...

 

[LuLLo]

It's a nice idea, but then again, some characters just can't switch between weapons...take Captain Falcon, yeah he has a gun, but he never used it, at least we never saw it, and Pikachu, what's he supposed to do?
I think that it's cool though, but Sakurai wanted to make the game balanced, and it's pretty difficult to balance a game when everyone has more movesets...I think...
Oh yeah, where was it said that Fox keeps his Blaster out all times, which page was it??

 

[Jackal478]

It's a nice idea, but then again, some characters just can't switch between weapons...take Captain Falcon, yeah he has a gun, but he never used it, at least we never saw it, and Pikachu, what's he supposed to do?
I think that it's cool though, but Sakurai wanted to make the game balanced, and it's pretty difficult to balance a game when everyone has more movesets...I think...
Oh yeah, where was it said that Fox keeps his Blaster out all times, which page was it??

It wasn't a page. There are pictures of him moving with his blaster

 

[LuLLo]

It wasn't a page. There are pictures of him moving with his blaster

Yeah but I searched the DOJO and I couldn't find any, link?

Edit: I mean I found the pictures (duh), but there was no text beneath it that says ''He keeps his blaster out all time''...

 

[Jackal478]

Yeah but I searched the DOJO and I couldn't find any, link?

I tried finding it. It's a picture of fox falling. and he has his blaster in one of his hands. and I cant find it either...

 

[LuLLo]

Weirrrrd....Wel I'll just keep looking

Edit: Maybe it got removed because they changed plans?
Anyway, it doesn't matter...

 

[WFL]

If the controls are not customizeable, that means the C-stick/Button will no longer by used for smash attacks, as the wiimote does not have a C-Stick.

First of all, nobody knows if the c-stick will be used for smash attacks or not because the smash attack how to play update just describe the conventional way of doing them. It's not like every controller is going to have to do the same thing with the same buttons.

 

[pikachun00b7]

It's a nice idea, but then again, some characters just can't switch between weapons...take Captain Falcon, yeah he has a gun, but he never used it, at least we never saw it, and Pikachu, what's he supposed to do?
I think that it's cool though, but Sakurai wanted to make the game balanced, and it's pretty difficult to balance a game when everyone has more movesets...I think...
Oh yeah, where was it said that Fox keeps his Blaster out all times, which page was it??

Well Pikachu will replace his thunder shock with a movable turret.

 

[maxpower1227]

Not gonna happen.

 

[Pyroloserkid]

Well, the BLASTER thing isn't a very strong arguement, but the FLUDD one makes sense.

What if you press Down B and Mario takes it out and has it on his back? Then what do you have to do to use it? Then how do you put it away? How come it's not on his back in ALL the screen shots?

So many questions.
Sakurai's a jerk.

 

[Exorcist]

Zamus: Whip mode, Gun mode
Pit: Bow mode, Dagger mode
Fox: With gun, without gun
Mario: With FLUDD, and without

Overall, no I don't believe this idea. But I was just brainstorming it in my head a bit, and I guess it's possible(just a bit wierd though).

You're right to question this though. It's confused a huge amount of people on these boards already, and all the theories people have made for it are a little farfetched.

Conclusion: The final outcome will surprise a fair amount of people.

 

[A6M Zero]

Meh, we'll see. I doubt it too, but sakurai can be an odd one.

 

[Ryudragon29]

If Soul Calibur did it, so can Brawl. You would adjust your style of play before fighting.

 

[Lucina Clash]

I think this has been said, but the Mario Tornado is the aerial Down B attack and the F.L.U.D.D. is the ground one. I mean, look at every screenshot and movie, even the most recent with Snake and Mario shorthops and uses the Mario Tornado when in the air .

 

[gtkdltk007]

I don't think that the Mario Tornado is the down-air, in the Nintendo World trailer, hes performing this move jumping into the air. Against Snake, hes seen doing it towards the ground. It has to be his neutral air-move.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Don't believe rumours. No one has any clue what they're talking about.

And seeing as though Mario only uses his Tornado in the air, It's probably just his Dair, though now I think about it, possibly his Nair.

 

[Exorcist]

Weirrrrd....Wel I'll just keep looking

Edit: Maybe it got removed because they changed plans?
Anyway, it doesn't matter...

The original Fox pictures with his gun in his hands were from the original website before the Dojo opened up. It was also where he got the quote from about the moveset.

 

[shadowcontroller]

It's a good theory, but there will be some characters that won't have this ability, like Pikachu for example. Maybe they changed the Dair attack to the Mario tornado, who knows?
Also, the C-stick will probably not be enabled, because the Wii controller does not have it.

 

[Mandalore]

I tried finding it. It's a picture of fox falling. and he has his blaster in one of his hands. and I cant find it either...

Go to the Nintendo World movie on the sidebar. At the end, where it announces Fox, it shows him jumping around with his blaster out. It doesn't show him attack, though.

 

[Takeshi245]

Just wait and see how wrong your theory is about this. With what has happened so far, the chances are very unlikely.

 

[Izaw]

Dont think it will be like that...2 modes for every character... I mean come on ?

Peach
Link
Bowser
Kirby...

Cant really see any switching stuff with those characters (and of course more chars)

I agree on Pit and ZSS, they probably got some Unique switch mode or something. But i think thats just for some B attacks. Anyway... i guess we'll just have to wait and see what Sakurais got for us =)

The protagonist in Kid Icarus. Pit's Sacred Bow of Palutena is actually two blades combined. He can separate them or unite them at will for use in battle.

Right now this is what Sakurai tells us about Pit, so yea Pit may have this Unique attack to switch between 2 daggers or that bowsword thingie. But im not so sure about ZSS having the same thing.

 

[Jumpinjahosafa]

Zamus: Whip mode, Gun mode
Pit: Bow mode, Dagger mode
Fox: With gun, without gun
Mario: With FLUDD, and without

Overall, no I don't believe this idea. But I was just brainstorming it in my head a bit, and I guess it's possible(just a bit wierd though).

You're right to question this though. It's confused a huge amount of people on these boards already, and all the theories people have made for it are a little farfetched.

Conclusion: The final outcome will surprise a fair amount of people.

now that I think about it.. there is that clip of Zamus switching her gun modes..

Maybe she's switching from gun to whip mode, and maybe its possible to do this with multiple characters..

Like a way to change your B attacks?

It would also explain why it seems like Snake has ALOT of smash moves.

 

[jambre]

link can use a bow and a sword without some drastic moveswitch
why cant pit?
I think the fludd might be similar to the wario bike in that you can summon it once then it turns into an item.
also marios neutral air is shown in his profile attacking wario
the tornado is probably his down air

 

[raphtmarqui]

I think Pit and Mario changing their weapon stances is aesthetic and just for show.

 

[pwnzorz]

that makes sense i guess. I never used the c-stick anyways (too much effort). That would be cool.

 

[darkNES386]

I think it COULD be possible. The game is getting more and more depth. Let's analyze what uniqueness there is with characters:

Yoshi - No B recovery
Kirby - weapon copy
Ness - Health Absorption
Link - generates a neutral item (bomb)
- Peach generates item (vege)
- Snake generates item (gernade)
- Wario (bike)
Zelda - Shiek Transform (whole new health set and stats)
- similar to Pokemon Trainer huH?
- Zero Samus ( I hope you can also start as this character... wonder what her ultimate is)
Ice Climbers - 2 characters


So now you have Mario with F.L.U.D.D. , Fox with his blaster, Samus with her gun/whip weapon. Well notice something today? Two points to make. 1) No mention of Down B special for zero samus. 2) There's clips and footage of fox holding his gun. I'm not positive but I'm guessing that maybe if he uses the gun... it stays out until he somehow "puts it away", get's hit or just a certain amount of time passes. Mario's F.L.U.D.D. may work a similar way. Same with Wario's bike. These items can only be on the field one at a time and only be used by the actual owners of them. Question: Is it known whether or not another character can hop on Wario's bike? Furthermore, PIT, it appears keeps in weapon as one piece when he stands neutral, and his attacks either break it apart or keep it as one piece. I see no evidence of him jumping (without attacking) and hold two different weapons. Just thoughts, but I'd lean more towards not so much a SECOND move set like shiek/zelda as just a little more unqiueness to a special move. Wouldn't that suck for all you fox/falco players if fox could lose his blaster like Wario loses his bike... hey what about mario's hat? =) that stupid ukii.

 

[Jumpinjahosafa]

I Samus with her gun/whip weapon. Well notice something today? Two points to make. 1) No mention of Down B special for zero samus. 2) There's clips and footage of fox holding his gun.

Does anyone remember this clip? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akKGaOIQ7Tc

Of course you do.

Now look at 1:13. Looks to me like Samus is switching her weapon modes.

That might be her down B. And it might open up a whole new array of attacks for ZSS. And maybe even a new recovery.

 

[nuro]

I think they are doing something with customizable moves. Exactly what it is.. we don't know yet for sure.

Anyway, sorry but there are 3 things I noticed that didn't add up in this theory.

1) Fox does not have his blaster in his hands because he is probably doing moves. Whenever he grabs someone, does a firefox, does a shine, or even a final smash he cant have his blaster in his hands. So he puts it away most of the time whenever he attacks.

2) Sakurai has told us we can customize our controls.

3) Making C-stick moves do what B moves should is not a very smart or simple idea. Using the C-stick to do smashes makes much more sense since newbies seem to have trouble with doing Smash attacks. Even pros prefer to use the C-Stick just to make sure they can do all their moves with ease. B-moves are very easy to perform since there is not smashing it involved. And if it was the C-stick then that would mean C-up and C-right would do the same thing. ALSO you cant press C-middle or in this case regular B.

Also, if u find my thread. I have many reasons for why Mario carries the F.L.U.D.D. on his back the entire game. For one, Sakurai says Mario will press DownB to charge but the downB can't be his charge because he has to attack with it instead. The way I think he charges it instead of attacks is by going into puddles that have been spotted on certain stages. Also, there is a rumor that depicts this and the rumor has been right about certain things before so it might have credibility.