[Nesu] It's so deserted here I could find Criminal Caterpillars. (Post here if you're cool)

[Yink]

Aw that's ok. You'll get to it when you get to it, right?

 

[Joker490Frozen]

^True true which by the way I . . . . . .LOVE . . . . . THE YO-YO that move is amazing even though I suck at spiking with it >.<

 

[Arcade]

P.S. Yink, ook > Ripple. But Ripple learns from the great ook and plays Melee, a combination that makes anyone good. You need to play ook, he's soooooooooo gooooooooooood!!! XD

I named my character in Final Fantasy Adventure "Ook".

Also I would add "Good shieldgrab" to that list of Lucas pros.

 

[Yink]

Is it sad that I use Yo-Yo for MKs that shuttle loop a lot?

 

[Arcade]

When? You mean using it OoS when you shield a shuttle loop?

Actually that sounds like it could work. I should try that.

 

[Yink]

When? You mean using it OoS when you shield a shuttle loop?

Actually that sounds like it could work. I should try that.

It does work actually, because if you space well you shouldn't get hit by shuttle loop (from what I've done at least) and on stages like SV it has a higher chance of spiking near the edges. They can tech of course....but it does the damage/has the potential to spike.

 

[Joker490Frozen]

Good luck trying to tech that since they won't see it coming >.<

 

[BluePSI]

daaang.... so much fighting

 

[Conviction]

Lol I'm sorry about this but you guys said Chuee and I'm pretty sure he name searches soo he found his way here, and now that I'm done laughing I'd like to I'm sorry about this again. XD

 

[HailCrest]

i've done all kinds of stage spikes due to pure dumb luck (mostly on halberd and FD). all of lucas and ness' aerials, actually.

but they were computers, so... T_T

 

[Eagleye893]

Why y'all be hatin on the dtilt? I Can get in close with it and dtilt trip my friend who uses Marth fairly consistently (he beats me nearly every single game, although on really good days I go even with him)... You just have to know where to place it and when to use it. If the opponent is a little bit off the ground, it might help, but in my experience the opponent just gets an attack off. When approaching an opponent to use it, it's basically for spotdodges and shields, but you must ensure that you won't get grabbed from it (stand behind...). Dtilt 1-2 times only, then go for another attack. It gets off the few percents and if done properly trips the opponent. If no trip, you should have done it quick enough so that your opponent wasn't able to react in time to punish properly, but if not then shield-grab or dash backwards and start over with something else. The main thing of this is to ensure they are helpless with the tripped animation. If you fail at that, you need to fix that. You need to have a good feeling as to where it trips.

Psi magnet can't be beat!!!! Omg it's too pro!!!

 

[Joker490Frozen]

Lol I'm sorry about this but you guys said Chuee and I'm pretty sure he name searches soo he found his way here,

Pfff name searching >.<

Mew2King M2K Ally Dojo DEHF ADHD UTDZac Ultimate Razer Xyro

Really now you're only here cause you named searched tsk tsk ^.^

 

[*Tyson*]

Haha good idea Joker.

Esca Gnes Gness Dphat DMG Hylian Jerm

Haha this is fun.

 

[Xyro77]

Bring It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dajayman]

I namesearch, it's so fun! I feel sorry for users who have 3 or less letters in their name. ;_;
I'm in some crazy threads. XD

Eagle, forget dtilt. Everytime you want to dtilt, just use PSI Magnet. PSI Magnet more.

 

[Conviction]

Lol but some people i make namesearch so i see what they think but i see it caused a Fire here.

 

[Dajayman]

I should type in Chuee's name and post how much Lucas sucks in a compltely random thread and then watch it for lulz.

 

[Conviction]

EDIT: Oh **** *Flame vest is back on*

 

[Chuee]

There's a difference between knowing a MU and making an intelligent ratio and not knowing a MU and questioning the people who made an intelligent MU's ratio without any hard facts to back you up.

Except that i've heard from two very good DK mains that have played the MU say that it's at LEAST 70-30 for Ness.

That is true, but you should also know this, there are legit stratagies to preventing infinates, such as, banning FD, camp on platforms, and camp close to the edge so you fall off on the grab-release.

Also if DK is going for the infinate he is facing forward, where Ness can GENERALLY beat his approaches, otherwise he is bairing , and not in a position to grab.

Banning FD? Ok, DK has better stages. Camping on a platform is asking to be Baired. Oh, and it doesn't matter where you are when he grabs you. He can move around using cargo release.

(This is @Chuee, not you Best) Who are these people? You don't even back that up. There's lots of players that think they can do something amazing and it happens sometimes. Stop making it seem like it's impossible to go even with a DK, it happens sometimes.

Its not impossible to go even with him, but when the player KNOWS the MU and USES the infinite its really hard for Ness to win.





1. Shaky, ViceGrip, Smash64, FOW

I personally think that MU is too low myself, but lol it's not INSANE. Learn to space. I played Ripple (and if you don't think he's good...there's a problem with ya) and I've only played him once, but from what I remember I did lose, but not by a massive amount. They were close matches.

Ripple himself told me it was 70-30

Also, infinite =/= game-winner, because if so ICs would be 100-0 on everyone.... sure DK has an infinite on ness, but thats only ONE thing in the entirety of the matchup. There are several things ness can do in order to prevent being grabbed and to counter every other thing that DK throws out....

IC are different from the rest because their grab range is terrible, and they lose the infinite once you seperate them, unlike DK.

DK has more than just an infinite in this MU.
He has range, Killing power, and survivability. Pretty much this MU is a lot like the Snake MU, except he has an infinite.

EDIT: I should type in Dajaymans name in a random thread and say that Ness is F tier and see what happens >:D

 

[Conviction]

I would say use your projectile but it's PSable easily, umm let me see advantage of him if you can get him above you.

EDIT: He doesn't really have many options when he above you.

 

[Dajayman]

Was one of those DK players named ook who said that MU was that bad? ook has played smash64, eagle, and myself, so I would trust ook's opinion over any other DK in the world.

Also I love how you didn't quote anything I said in my DK post yet that explained the DK MU in great detail and the pros and cons they have on each other, including your little "He has range, Killing power, and survivability" that I already mentioned.

 

[Chuee]

You never mentioned range, you just said Fair was good.
The two DK mains were Ripple who has played Yink, and Bigfoot who has played Doglatin and Vice.

 

[Dajayman]

I most certainly mentioned range. You think I don't know how much range bair, his tilts, his downb, and even his smashes have?

Also if you mentioned Ness was a F tier character and could care less since it's coming from you. I'm not you, I don't get my panties in a bunch everytime someone bad mouths my character. Especially if it comes from a troll like yourself who thinks Lucas is god tier and Ness is below triforce tier.

You don't know Ness or what he's capable of. You cannot tell me what Ness can or can not do. XD

 

[smash64]

hi guys so whats going on here? also any one up for a wifi match i just got wifi! yay i hope i can play on it haha

 

[Conviction]

You don't know Ness or what he's capable of. You cannot tell me what Ness can or can not do. XD

OH SNAP HE SAID.

UH-OH THIS FLAME WAR JUST GOT HYPED!

/caps.

but forreal he said it.

EDIT: Lol Smash64 shows with some wifi stuff

 

[Dajayman]

OMG!!! Please play me Smash64!!! PLEASE!!! XD

Just ignore Chuee, he's a bad troll. Not worth your precious time Smash64, I'll deal with him.

 

[Chuee]

lmao I think Ness belongs one spot below Lucas...........................................
Plus Lucas boards put this MU as 70-30 so me trying to tell you its bad has nothing to do with me trying to make my character look good.
I can't tell you what Ness is capable of? I use him too <.<

 

[smash64]

lol you are silly Dajay alright ill add you my fc is on the side of my name ill be waiting you host plzz

 

[Dajayman]

OMG! I'll be on right away! Not even lag that makes makes the game run at 1 fps could ruin this glorious moment. XD

 

[Xebenkeck]

Well to fight DK's infinate you could tell the person, "if you don't infinate me i won't counter-pick DDD on you." might work better than you think.

 

[Conviction]

I pretty sure other people play Lucas when you tell them they don't know your character >.>

 

[smash64]

yo dajay you ganon is 2 good! it was nice playing you i started getting use to the lag after a while

 

[Dajayman]

OMG! Best friendlies in my life. Weird how my Wii froze twice in the beginning, but luckily it didn't persist. Obviously my Wii couldn't handle your awesome skills in the beginning and it froze, but my Wii eventually got used to your awesomeness and stopped freezing.

I saved a lot of our matches (I have the over 3 minute save replay hack) so people can witness Smash64 kicking my a**. I didn't save every single one because I forgot sometimes (even though I have a result screens texture hack that says "SAVE REPLAY" in the background... ), I even forgot to save our last one with my funny Ganon sideb kills on your Falcon. XD

GGs Smash64, your Ness is >>>>>>>>>>> than my Ness.



Edit: Our connection was good except when those lag spikes happened sometimes. When no lag spikes were happening there was minimal lag. XD

Your everyone is too good. My Ganon, DK, and Fox are only good because I learn from DLA, ook, and Zeton.
Now I must learn from your Ness. XD

 

[smash64]

we have to play more some time i had fun, in some matches i was just looking how you were playing so i could counter what you were doing hehe but yeah we can play tomorrow or maybe later today

 

[Conviction]

Aww that's cool you have Zeton to learn from >.< I have to do the hard way being the best (only) Fox in GA. XD

 

[Dajayman]

Since I'm a jobless bum and all I do is wait at home for a job phonecall, I'm free anytime.

Yeah, you read me like an open book for preschoolers. XD

 

[Eagleye893]

I WANNA PLAY smash64!!!! too bad that I can't play until after all my tests on friday.... (or afterschool tuesday if i'm lucky)

 

[Chuee]

I wanna play him tommorow :D

Iblis, I alt Ness <.<

 

[smash64]

you guys make me feel special...thank you srly thank you i love every one of you....no homo

 

[Dajayman]

Smash64 is the best Ness main ever. He even had a "Hello Dajayman" taunt, how sweet is that?! XD
I think I'm homo for Smash64.