Eagleye893
Smash Champion
darn... you got my hopes up
/all my hopes and dreams... lol
/all my hopes and dreams... lol
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Ness stage discussion, discussion #15 Luigi's Mansion.
- Thread starter Man of Popsicle
- Start date
Man of Popsicle
Smash Lord
Forgot about this, new stage.
Lightosia
Smash Journeyman
Lylat Cruise is a bad stage for Ness.
The tilting stage makes hard the use of Pk Fire.
The edge is tricky and it's easy to miss it. When recovering in this stage, try to come back as horizontally as possible, because the edge can eat your vertical pk thunder.
The three small platforms can be a nuisance if you are fighting characters with long ranged Upsmashes, as they can try to stay under the plataform and attack.
This is all I remember about this stage....
The tilting stage makes hard the use of Pk Fire.
The edge is tricky and it's easy to miss it. When recovering in this stage, try to come back as horizontally as possible, because the edge can eat your vertical pk thunder.
The three small platforms can be a nuisance if you are fighting characters with long ranged Upsmashes, as they can try to stay under the plataform and attack.
This is all I remember about this stage....
Dajayman
Banned via Administration
Rainbow or Lylat Cruise?
§leepy God
Smash Master
♪ We already did Lylat Cruise so it's Rainbow Cruise. I'll say it's an average stage for Ness, more details later. †
Sync_
Smash Journeyman
An issue I find wiht Rainbow Cruise is that appearing platforms and interrupt your PKT, possibly killing you.
Sorry for being off topic slightly, but I find Wolf pretty easy on Brinstar. That might just be me...
Sorry for being off topic slightly, but I find Wolf pretty easy on Brinstar. That might just be me...
Yink
The Robo-PSIentist
Since you can go through them, they give good opportunities for going through using PKT2, uair, fair, nair etc.
Though I don't think the stage is so bad, I just have a big issuge with the platform halfway through the stage that swings. If everything else disappears and you were on a platform and that swaying one is all the way to the other side, it's not fun trying to get back.
Good stage for spikes though.
I hardly ever go to Rainbow Cruise. But from the times I've been on that stage, I found it somewhat convenient. When you start to go upward on that stage, spiking is a bit easier as well as KOing. The blast zones get closer when you're on the upper section of that stage.
Dajayman
Banned via Administration
I suggest never cping the gay pride cruise, Ness has much better, less dangerous stages.
The ship can be painful. Semi-infinte traps are possible on the ship (only not infinite because the ship eventually disappears. Avoid chaingrabs, jab locks, and certain moves like DK's dtilt on the ship.
Once you off the ship this is where things get ugly. The best advice I can give is know when all platforms appear and disappear, becareful around falling blocks, and watch out and use the close boundaries to your advantage.
This is a stage you should play friendlies on so you can get experience on it.
The ship can be painful. Semi-infinte traps are possible on the ship (only not infinite because the ship eventually disappears. Avoid chaingrabs, jab locks, and certain moves like DK's dtilt on the ship.
Once you off the ship this is where things get ugly. The best advice I can give is know when all platforms appear and disappear, becareful around falling blocks, and watch out and use the close boundaries to your advantage.
This is a stage you should play friendlies on so you can get experience on it.
Eagleye893
Smash Champion
I <3 platforms, therefore i like this stage... the only thing, I never play here, so i'm completely unfamiliar with it...
Lightosia
Smash Journeyman
Really, don't play MK in this stage.
The Cruise isn't bad for Ness as for other characters, but still.....
The Cruise isn't bad for Ness as for other characters, but still.....
Man of Popsicle
Smash Lord
Look out for wall infinites on the main ship, especially once the ship starts to fall.
There are a whole lot of places for your opponnts to get suicide kills.
Randomly spawning platforms can gimp your thunder.
If you fall on one of those falling blocks, you probably won't make it.
If you do and can't make it through Psi magnet stall and Try and keep from falling into the blast zone.
When the arrow comes to tell you to go down it's a good time to grab your opponent. Pumml once or twice, then up throw. Especially on slow fallers. Use fthrow to nt early kills. You may be able to kill people when the ship is falling with f or dthrow.
CP loltethers here.
There are a whole lot of places for your opponnts to get suicide kills.
Randomly spawning platforms can gimp your thunder.
If you fall on one of those falling blocks, you probably won't make it.
If you do and can't make it through Psi magnet stall and Try and keep from falling into the blast zone.
When the arrow comes to tell you to go down it's a good time to grab your opponent. Pumml once or twice, then up throw. Especially on slow fallers. Use fthrow to nt early kills. You may be able to kill people when the ship is falling with f or dthrow.
CP loltethers here.
Sync_
Smash Journeyman
Why have I never thought of this? ):
Man of Popsicle
Smash Lord
Really?
When you're on the top going down?
Because Uthrow takes foreverrrrrrrrr. (which is good in this situation)
When you're on the top going down?
Because Uthrow takes foreverrrrrrrrr. (which is good in this situation)
Jiffyboob
Smash Lord
FThrow is broken on Rainbow Cruise. If I can get a good quality video up on youtube, I will show you.
Well, If you F-throw them you're less likely to die as well since you'll be near the drop off part while your opponent will have to wait for the donuts to fall (hahaha...yeah, no, he's dead). U-throw lets your opponent just DI off with you unless you have good timing.
It really doesn't matter, but I find f-throw to be safer and easier. It'll get 'em at 0% too, I don't think U-throw'll do that.
It really doesn't matter, but I find f-throw to be safer and easier. It'll get 'em at 0% too, I don't think U-throw'll do that.
smash64
Smash Champion
gay pride? what the..................
I'm not sure where that came from, either. But if I start hating on that stage, I will refer to it as Gay Pride Cruise.
§leepy God
Smash Master
♪ I'll like to ban this stage vs DDD, Peach, and Meta Knight the most. :/ †
Lightosia
Smash Journeyman
Rainbow colors= gay pride...
Dajayman
Banned via Administration
Pikachu is bad on this stage too. His dsmash is bad here, especially on the arrow part. DI is your friend here.
Dajayman
Banned via Administration
Next stage MoP!!!
Man of Popsicle
Smash Lord
I'll pick another stage, you guys can decide, but listen to this:
Grab ground releasing characters on the falling blocks at the top of the stage. (You have to be on the solid ground to the left or the right)
DO IT.
Grab ground releasing characters on the falling blocks at the top of the stage. (You have to be on the solid ground to the left or the right)
DO IT.
Dajayman
Banned via Administration
Every character Ness grabs will ground release because he's short. Just be sure to pummel them so they can't jump release by inputting jump commands.
I suggest Luigi's Mansion.
I suggest Luigi's Mansion.
xoxokev
Smash Lord
unless you grab them and they are hanging off of a ledge. and if you don't pummel
Man of Popsicle
Smash Lord
fffffffffffff sorry for lazy.
Dajayman
Banned via Administration
So f*cking lazy!!! Jk, <3 you MoP.
Luigi's Mansion, a very nice cp. Hopefully your area doesn't have this banned!
As you should know, you need to destroy the pillars on top first then destroy the bottom pillars to kill the house. Unless you're facing a character who does very well with the house up like MK (b all day) or DK (down b all day), Ness benefits greatly with the house up.
As long as the to pillars on top are up, Ness can infinitely PK Fire the bottom ones. Get a lead in % and you can camp all day (not recommended on absorbers or counterers) like this. This will usually lead to your opponent getting pissed off and trying to destroy the top pillars, in which case you can punish their attacks on the pillar. Or your opponent will approach from above you, in which case their approach options are more limited than normal and you are usually in a favorable situation.
Another thing Ness does well with the house intact is setup missed techs. Any move that pops an opponent up like dthrow, uthrow, dash attack, utilt, usmash can bounce an opponent off the ceiling and into the ground. If they miss the tech they are open to almost any move, but the best of these options is usually to either jab lock or dtilt lock your opponent. If your opponent is good at teching it will be harder for you to set this up, but nobody is perfect so just be ready for them to mess up.
There are also some problems with keeping the house intact. Ness isn't the only one who can take advantage of missed tech, in fact there may be characters who can exploit the ceiling better than Ness. If you happen to notice somebody ****** you more than you **** them on the first floor, the break the house down.
Both you and your opponent will also have tough times killing each other inside the intact house. Learning to walltech can help save your life and prevent yourself from being *****. If the house ever gives you trouble killing your opponent, then by all means tear it down!
Once the house is down you can treat this stage like another FD. It does have a wall underneath it, so characters with glides/excellent recoveries won't be able to travel under the stage. A characteristic this stage shares with FD are those lame lips that eat vertical recoveries foe breakfast, be aware of this when recovering from below. And very tiny, ghost platforms appear sometimes, not like they make a big difference thoughsince they can fit like one character on them. Just another thing to know.
Luigi's Mansion, a very nice cp. Hopefully your area doesn't have this banned!
As you should know, you need to destroy the pillars on top first then destroy the bottom pillars to kill the house. Unless you're facing a character who does very well with the house up like MK (b all day) or DK (down b all day), Ness benefits greatly with the house up.
As long as the to pillars on top are up, Ness can infinitely PK Fire the bottom ones. Get a lead in % and you can camp all day (not recommended on absorbers or counterers) like this. This will usually lead to your opponent getting pissed off and trying to destroy the top pillars, in which case you can punish their attacks on the pillar. Or your opponent will approach from above you, in which case their approach options are more limited than normal and you are usually in a favorable situation.
Another thing Ness does well with the house intact is setup missed techs. Any move that pops an opponent up like dthrow, uthrow, dash attack, utilt, usmash can bounce an opponent off the ceiling and into the ground. If they miss the tech they are open to almost any move, but the best of these options is usually to either jab lock or dtilt lock your opponent. If your opponent is good at teching it will be harder for you to set this up, but nobody is perfect so just be ready for them to mess up.
There are also some problems with keeping the house intact. Ness isn't the only one who can take advantage of missed tech, in fact there may be characters who can exploit the ceiling better than Ness. If you happen to notice somebody ****** you more than you **** them on the first floor, the break the house down.
Both you and your opponent will also have tough times killing each other inside the intact house. Learning to walltech can help save your life and prevent yourself from being *****. If the house ever gives you trouble killing your opponent, then by all means tear it down!
Once the house is down you can treat this stage like another FD. It does have a wall underneath it, so characters with glides/excellent recoveries won't be able to travel under the stage. A characteristic this stage shares with FD are those lame lips that eat vertical recoveries foe breakfast, be aware of this when recovering from below. And very tiny, ghost platforms appear sometimes, not like they make a big difference thoughsince they can fit like one character on them. Just another thing to know.
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
I don't think there's much else I can say. DJM rlly got a lot of the good stuff.
Dair can set up jab locks also very well. Best ones are usually dthrow, dash attack, and dair for me.
Sometimes PKT2ing into a pillar will trick opponents into letting up their guards early since Ness stalls like crazy when he hits one.
When you KO someone (or when you are free), jab, dtilt, jab, dtilt repeatedly on the pillars to refresh moves.
Uair hits through the solid platforms.
Dair can set up jab locks also very well. Best ones are usually dthrow, dash attack, and dair for me.
Sometimes PKT2ing into a pillar will trick opponents into letting up their guards early since Ness stalls like crazy when he hits one.
When you KO someone (or when you are free), jab, dtilt, jab, dtilt repeatedly on the pillars to refresh moves.
Uair hits through the solid platforms.
Yink
The Robo-PSIentist
Pretty much everything EB360 and Dajay said.
Only thing I'd watch is who your opponent is. I wouldn't want to take a good Snake main here.
Only thing I'd watch is who your opponent is. I wouldn't want to take a good Snake main here.