Neo's Tips: A Work in Progress

[Albert.]

A collection of Neo's helpful posts.


Thank you to Steel for changing the OP. Thank you to ToZ for making the thread, and thanks to Neo for the actual material.


On full-hop Fairs:

you telegraph yourself when you repeatedly do full hops


anyone with a PS and a 4 frame OOS is stopping your fun, not to mention they can roll/run under you

On the Marth V.S. Rob Match-up:

the main problem with rob's projectile is the speed of the gyro and ability to cancel it + it remains on the stage unable to be grabbed for a short period of time


His ftilt is much better vs marth than ****ing dk's man WTF get that **** out of here

i'm not willing to explain why i think rob wins because it should be obvious, and im lazy

no i think rob beats marth because rob anti air's marths aerial approach, forces him to approach in the first place, and clashes/trades/beats his ground pokes

B-throw, useful?

bthrow is easier to bait a double jump with because it leaves them closer to the the stage and usually not all the way off/on the ledge so they cant just free fall to the ledge or dj to it, the "hurry and get back on the stage" sense should tell them to immediately double jump due to bthrows low hit stun, most likely w/o thinking of b-throw never gets used on them


i'd say it's good for a one time thing if u need to attempt a gimp, thats when i use it

On the Marth V.S. DK Match-up:

Should be obvious at this point, think about it



What moves of DK's can he actually APPLY and PRESSURE with?


B-air, thats it, and B-air leaves him open as **** vs marths speed and priority

Ftilt is impractical due to lag, his smashes are all laughable and if any of them are hitting you (aside from like a tech chase or some ****) you should probably consider suicide with godspeed

He is WORST at getting back to the ground vs marth than ****ing snake, which is sad


his recovery is ezpz spike mode, and this is from on the stage lol



i don't feel like typing a ****load but really people need to start considering move properties before they call match ups man "LOL DDD'S B-AIR *****, LET'S NEGLECT THE FACT THAT HIS UNDERSIDE IS OPEN, HE HAS NO AERIAL MOBILITY TO APPLY IT AS PRESSURE, HE'S HUGE AS FUHCK, AND MY CHARACTER CAN LITERALLY WALK, JAB, OR FTILT IT. NOT TO MENTION OUTSPEED IT WITH AERIALS OLOLOLXCHJVBKC"

Dk definitely doesn't win in the punishment game unless marth is using punishable attacks, DK U-smashing a marth is the most impractical **** I've seen used as support for a long time.


If Marth leans forward to F-air, he'll get b-air'd, if dk b-air's, he can get counte aerials or anti-air'd

The difference between marth and dk lies in speed, priority, speedy punishers, safe pokes, and the ability to safely recover on and off stage


Marth wins in every category

Your anti air/anti approach, F-tilt, has winddown and can be punished, Dk isn't punishing marth's Down tilt or jab, sorry

I tend to be less partial to F-air in this match unless I'm positive that dk is grounded, or he is facing forward, I never F-air (first) if DK has his back turned, only as a counter attack do I f-air

If we launch you upwards, you're ****ed.. literally (unless the marth sucks). The ONLY way to avoid taking damage upon returning to the ground is to go to the ledge, otherwise you have no options to cover your fall, B-air is too slow and gets easily ps'd to side-b, air dodge also gets regrabbed (yay air trap again ololol) or side-b'd, and don't even mention f-air, n-air, or side-b from DK >>


Your body/recovery is spike/get ***** food off the stage, and you're only okay vs us off of the stage


What people don't seem to realize is how heavily he relies on "brawl novelty." And by brawl novelty I mean "LOL I'M NOT ACTUALLY ATTACKING BUT U ARE, RUN INTO THIS PLZZZZ OLOLLLLLL."

Any player with a brain can pick apart DK's predictable, repetitive character design. It's as simple as not blindly charging in, because he can only apply about 4-5 of his moves directly on to an opponent, the rest are either punishers for extremely stupid mistakes or "HEY RUN INTO THIS ATTACK LIKE AN IDIOT."


Marth beats dk solidly at 55-45

On-stage Dair:

the point is you risk missing it [Dair OoS] if it's sh'd, not to mention there is no follow up as you are lagging like ****, then you get punished durrrr

On Kizzu Gimmicks:

nobody good uses any of kizzu's gimmicks, and if they do, they pay for it because none of it works

On Diddy:

protip: staying close to diddy's so they can't setup banana tactics but out of their range and then doing the ZMT (never actually approaching, ever, just waiting for a. your opponent to run into one of your flailing hitboxes or b. one of your flailing hitboxes to outprioritize theirs) right in their face is raaaaaape. i just counter attack any attempt they make at attacking/approaching. be careful though because diddy's range on some of his stupid *** moves is retardedly close to yours >_> so annoying

the game doesn't revolve around beating MK, it only revolves around beating MK if you are incapable of doing so.

clowsui why would you encourage xisin's novelty style? that **** does NOT WORK with marth >_>


how i wish some of you would try that **** on the east coast.. LMAOOOOOOOOOOO (is never surprised when marth's tell me they can't beat olimars, tl's, or some other stupid **** that won't ever approach them)


stop camping with marth *****s

has anyone ever touched their nipple right after getting out of the shower? doesn't it feel like, if you tried really really hard you could remove it

On ICs

Yes... and by yes... I mean no >_>


Marth clearly wins 60/40 LOL


D-tilt + counter > IC's approaches


their sliding powershield doesn't even help their abysmal grab range against down tilt, and you can counter the blizzard or air dodge in and up-b, good gamed

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

My Marth is officially 100x better.

 

[feardragon64]

Not that I don't enjoy Neo posts but if you're going to put the joke posts in there too we might as well just view his post history. lol

 

[En.Ee.Oh]

i don't know when or why i typed that DK match up break down (and yes its biased, but **** off), but holy **** that is a **** post


<-- smells. self.

 

[Pr0phetic]

I basically verified what I had already posted about the lag time of a falling f-air this weekend. They are done the safest at mid-range against these characters where they can't make it to you in time. Otherwise, both of their 'dart-like' dash attacks are fast enough to tag you when you land with an f-air. Maverick Ace (Kadaj) can vouch for this because he fought my Sheik. Mew2king should also be able to vouch for this because he abuses it as well.

Here you go, from his thread "Beware on Fair-ing MK and Shiek"

 

[BacklashMarth]

2 things,

1) I'm still lickin the wound from that one post (but i do like how he "lol"-canceled the flame at the end with a <3)

forums need to step it up, **** this quote post bull, i just want a "like" button like facebook



imo needs a "like" button petition

2) @ToZ: Imma let u finish, but the quote neo liked was my greatest post of all time, OF ALL TIME! It should be included in the quote, just sayin'.

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

This was more of a joke than anything else. Feel free to take it over, Bass.

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

Lol nice thread XD. Thanks for the compilation .

 

[OverLade]

I learned more about life than I did about Marth.

 

[gsninja]

I like this thread.

 

[Player-3]

Quote:
Originally Posted by En.Ee.Oh View Post
has anyone ever touched their nipple right after getting out of the shower? doesn't it feel like, if you tried really really hard you could remove it


why was that under "on diddy"

O_o

 

[Lord Chair]

why was that under "on diddy"

O_o

Why not, really.

 

[Kitamerby]

I certainly agree. It does feel like I could remove it. I'd never want to try, though.

 

[P. O. F.]

Good **** Neo. Hopefully this constantly gets updated.

 

[bmaster77]

great tips

 

[Reizilla]

isn't that ice climbers tip like waaaaay old?

Also, from the HOBO 16 chat, something like: "Short-hopped non-fast-falled retreating fairs > sonic. That's basically the whole reason why Marth dominates most of the characters. Add dtilts when appropriate."
Of course, not in such English...

 

[Pr0phetic]

I remember Neo saying a bunch of times characters he considers gay (Diddy, ICs, Sonic) to use SH Rising Fairs, as it's very safe and puts on the pressure. This is in conjunction with Dtilt of course.

 

[OmegaXF]

I learned more about life than I did about Marth.

^^^^Win
>>>>>Thread Wins<<<<<
Vote for sticky because I learned about life :D

 

[Honor]

thx 4 the tips i would like 2 c more