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Need help vs. Jiggs

MuBa

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So apparently I have an awesome Jiggs player in my crew and I'm having massive amounts of trouble beating it.

The Jiggs is really good at grabbing me, taking me to the air and juggling me to Timbuctou.

He's also very good at anticipating my attacks and can shield grab me...

Also I get gimped like no other; once I'm in the air I'm pretty much dead meat. I swear Jiggs is like the Snake Eater in this game =/

Much appreciated.
 

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ROFLMAO. When I tell people my Jiggz is a Snake counter, I'm actually just joking. Just space your tilts better. She can't attack through them like...at all. If you're having so much trouble approaching, force her to approach you, dish out some of your own shield grabs, shield drop a few grenades on her arial approaches and once she's at 50-60 you can kill her with a strong breeze. It sounds to me like you're playing sloppy and aggressive where you might just do much better to sit back and camp. If Jiggz hits you into the air, you might try to push her off with a Nair before she can Wall of Pain you out over nothing.
 

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Lol I would never think Jiggs as a Snake counter. I just have trouble against it that's all. And plus I'm going against a very competent player too.

But I do agree with me being aggressive. So I'll be more campy against him.
 

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ROFLMAO. When I tell people my Jiggz is a Snake counter, I'm actually just joking. Just space your tilts better. She can't attack through them like...at all.
f-tilts approached from diagnonally above snake are trivial for jiggs. She can almost always get in a bair, and often has an option of a dair or pound based on the timing.

If you're having so much trouble approaching, force her to approach you,
How? Snake is not Falco or ROB... Jiggs cares less about grenade spam than any character in the game.

dish out some of your own shield grabs,
When on earth is Snake or anyone else going to get the chance to shield grab a Jigglypuff? Why would a Jigglypuff ever do an aerial against a shielded opponent while landing, on either side?

Jigglypuff fears attacks out of shields, nor grabs, and for Snake that only applies to the u-tilt.

shield drop a few grenades on her arial approaches
This is just about the least effective thing you could do. It might work in the air though, if the jiggs is careless.

and once she's at 50-60 you can kill her with a strong breeze.
Unless Jiggs walks into an u-tilt, no... and certainly not as low as 50-60%.

It sounds to me like you're playing sloppy and aggressive where you might just do much better to sit back and camp. If Jiggz hits you into the air, you might try to push her off with a Nair before she can Wall of Pain you out over nothing.
"Camping" a character with massive aerial speed and five jumps with a slow and harmless grenade projectile is not a valid strategy. Jiggs is free to pressure the top of Snake's shield with bairs without risk, and get in a pound (the end goal of Jigg's approach against Snake) even sooner.

Once Snake is in the air, he has three options. First, he can air dodge, which is predictable and punishable, often by Rest. Second, he can nair or dair. If the Jiggs has poor spacing or makes a mistake, you might get a hit and escape back to the ground. Third, he can try a bair. If the Jiggs doesn't expect it for some reason and it connects, it basically ends your short-term Jiggs problem.

Snake has virtually all of his advantages nullified and all of his weaknesses accessible against Jiggs. His approach and projectile(s) are worthless, his weight insignificant due to ease of being gimped. Bair and fair simply wreck him in the air, and pound makes all of that possible. Even his mobility on the stage is poor, since Snake does not want to get caught in a grab near the edge.

Sorry, Jigglypuff counters Snake. Quote it.
 

misterbushido01

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it sounds like your being too aggressive
try camping with gernades. if your good with nades youll definitely make jiggs approach you
 

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it sounds like your being too aggressive
try camping with gernades. if your good with nades youll definitely make jiggs approach you
"Camping" a character with massive aerial speed and five jumps with a slow and harmless grenade projectile is not a valid strategy. Jiggs is free to pressure the top of Snake's shield with bairs without risk, and get in a pound (the end goal of Jigg's approach against Snake) even sooner.
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I'm not really sure what you're trying to say, but I'm still in a dream.
 

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hmm... jiggs is hard for a couple of characters but short hopped/ dairs are a good tool.
On the apporching thing if you spam grenade against any close range character they would be dumb not approach you...>_>
think about it you could throw nades all match jiggs that doesnt approach u is gonna get hit if the snake player has good GP and cook nades well.
And if this jiggs approaches from the air either motar slide outta there or plan a pshield grab or nikita mind game that hoe.

Well hope that little bit helps.
 

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And if this jiggs approaches from the air either motar slide outta there or plan a pshield grab or nikita mind game that hoe.
Not one of these three things is remotely going to help him.

Nair is a very valid tactic (probably how I take most of my damage against Snake), but it's one that requires commitment. Jiggs has the aerial freedom to bluff approaches all day and punish any lag on defensive options, so spamming nair is inviting Pound...
 

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The main problem Jiggs faces against Snake is that every mistake Jiggs makes can be turned into a u-tilt by Snake.
 

napZzz

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Heres your advice

quit playing brawl for losing to a jigglypuff with snake, or just quit snake period, and stop shaming him

[/flaming]
 

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I find it so funny when all people say their mains are snake's counters... How come people complain so much about snake then?
 

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I find it so funny when all people say their mains are snake's counters... How come people complain so much about snake then?
Its true. All over the forums you will see

gAME BREAKINGG TACHNIKUE!!
inside explaining how you can easily beat snake or meta. lolz
 

MuBa

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Heres your advice

quit playing brawl for losing to a jigglypuff with snake, or just quit snake period, and stop shaming him

[/flaming]
And you should quit life for being a douche ;/

Also FYI, I don't go against an "average" Jigglypuff player. This person is perhaps the best Jiggs out there up to date and is tournament worthy too. Play him and he'll eat your Snake alive =/
 
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