My Mafia Academia -- ENDGAME: Bites Za Dusto

[Deleted member]

Noted. But it still doesn't come across well given the nature of how the phase ended.

Shiny was in a predicament where just about nothing could save him from being lynched. So regardless of the circumstance, Giraffe's vote for Shiny is off-putting. Coming at the end of the phase where Shiny had virtually no chance of surviving.

Then it's Giraffe that needs to answer for it.

 

[Ura]

Then it's Giraffe that needs to answer for it.

Perhaps. I'm looking forward to a response for him whenever he shows up.

 

[Pokechu]

Noted. But it still doesn't come across well given the nature of how the phase ended.

Shiny was in a predicament where just about nothing could save him from being lynched. So regardless of the circumstance, Giraffe's vote for Shiny is off-putting. Coming at the end of the phase where Shiny had virtually no chance of surviving.

if nothing could save him then why does GLG's vote matter? GLG voted to ensure Shiny would die, and that's not a bad thing. he wanted to make the lynch set in stone as you never know what can happen in the last ten minutes of a phase, GLG voted to make sure nothing wacky :D would happen while he was away

 

[Ura]

Lastly ura has activity that falls between pokechu and utopia imo. He posts a lot of reads but he also mentions catching up a lot.

So he could also be trying to just cost by costabtly playing catch-up.

Trying to coast by playing catch up? I guess doing things outside Mafia is a big no-no.

if nothing could save him then why does GLG's vote matter? GLG voted to ensure Shiny would die, and that's not a bad thing. he wanted to make the lynch set in stone as you never know what can happen in the last ten minutes of a phase, GLG voted to make sure nothing wacky :D would happen while he was away

Because it conveniently comes right towards the end of the phase. That's off-putting for me regardless considering the circumstance of those voting for Shiny.

Yeah, he could have been last-minute voting for Shiny but why bother? Had we saw a swell of votes last minute to save Shiny, then those people would expose themselves as scum theoretically speaking (under the assumption of Scum!Shiny). There's really no reason for it and the situation is fishy.

 

[Z25]

Trying to coast by playing catch up? I guess doing things outside Mafia is a big no-no.

Because it conveniently comes right towards the end of the phase. That's off-putting for me regardless considering the circumstance of those voting for Shiny.

Yeah, he could have been last-minute voting for Shiny but why bother? Had we saw a swell of votes last minute to save Shiny, then those people would expose themselves as scum theoretically speaking (under the assumption of Scum!Shiny). There's really no reason for it and the situation is fishy.

I never said your outside life was a problem.

My post was more focused on who’s on the lower end of content production. It doesn’t mean you are all scum just that it could be that one of you is coasting.

 

[Pokechu]

Because it conveniently comes right towards the end of the phase. That's off-putting for me regardless considering the circumstance of those voting for Shiny.

Yeah, he could have been last-minute voting for Shiny but why bother? Had we saw a swell of votes last minute to save Shiny, then those people would expose themselves as scum theoretically speaking (under the assumption of Scum!Shiny). There's really no reason for it and the situation is fishy.

I still don't understand... why does it matter? it came at the end of the phase... so what? I thought it came earlier but it came the minute before deadline. so? It doesn't make a difference in the day's result, yeah, but it still doesn't hurt it. just like there's no reason for voting a minute before day end, there's no reason to call the vote fishy. He voted with the intention to "make sure we got a lynch today", so to prevent any possible ties. The vote doesn't imply anything other than GLG wanted a lynch.

 

[Ura]

I still don't understand... why does it matter? it came at the end of the phase... so what? I thought it came earlier but it came the minute before deadline. so? It doesn't make a difference in the day's result, yeah, but it still doesn't hurt it. just like there's no reason for voting a minute before day end, there's no reason to call the vote fishy. He voted with the intention to "make sure we got a lynch today", so to prevent any possible ties. The vote doesn't imply anything other than GLG wanted a lynch.

Because as I said, why do it when there's no way Shiny could not be lynched? Yeah it could be a maintenance thing to ensure Shiny gets lynched but what was there to be lost? As I said in an event of Scum!Shiny, any last minute voters would instantly out themselves as Mafia trying to prevent his lynch.

Don't you at least think it's worth consideration at the least?

just that it could be that one of you is coasting.

I'd like to think i'm an active member of this thread. Have been for the entire game. Just that there's always like 4-6 pages to read up on when i'm not here.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Because as I said, why do it when there's no way Shiny could not be lynched? Yeah it could be a maintenance thing to ensure Shiny gets lynched but what was there to be lost? As I said in an event of Scum!Shiny, any last minute voters would instantly out themselves as Mafia trying to prevent his lynch.

Don't you at least think it's worth consideration at the least?

I'd like to think i'm an active member of this thread. Have been for the entire game. Just that there's always like 4-6 pages to read up on when i'm not here.

Vote counts are being posted in this game and we don't know what tie breaker rules are. I really just wanted to make sure we had a lynch because going into day 2 in the dark would have likely led to a repeat of day 1 (oh how wrong I was on that one though.) Since shish isn't posting vote counts at all, we truly have no way of knowing how many vote shiny had at the end of day one and how many votes someone else had at the end of day 1.

 

[praline]

I still don't understand... why does it matter? it came at the end of the phase... so what? I thought it came earlier but it came the minute before deadline. so? It doesn't make a difference in the day's result, yeah, but it still doesn't hurt it. just like there's no reason for voting a minute before day end, there's no reason to call the vote fishy. He voted with the intention to "make sure we got a lynch today", so to prevent any possible ties. The vote doesn't imply anything other than GLG wanted a lynch.

I mean how could voting to lynch someone in the last minute not be super sketchy?

 

[Pokechu]

I mean how could voting to lynch someone in the last minute not be super sketchy?

It doesn't imply he's scum. There's no clear scum motivation. It's just a vote.

If there was a tie going on and GLG was absent the whole day and then he popped in just to make that vote, then yeah, super sketchy. But Shiny was getting lynched regardless so I don't see why people are scared of GLG's vote.

IDK, I don't see anything. But jokes on me, I can't see! *pops out contacts*

hahahaha kidding LOL my eyesight is pretty decent

 

[Ura]

Vote counts are being posted in this game and we don't know what tie breaker rules are. I really just wanted to make sure we had a lynch because going into day 2 in the dark would have likely led to a repeat of day 1 (oh how wrong I was on that one though.) Since shish isn't posting vote counts at all, we truly have no way of knowing how many vote shiny had at the end of day one and how many votes someone else had at the end of day 1.

There was literally one at the end of Page 15 my guy.

Temporary Vote Count

Werekill {1} (Shiny)
Poyzin {1} (Doop)
Shiny {4} (Unikorn, Werekill, Z25, Golden)

Granted, Golden dropped his vote but Shiny was in no position to escape the lynch.

And at that point, anyone trying to prevent the lynch would have painted a target on their backs to be lynched. You gotta understand the context here.

 

[giraffelasergun]

There was literally one at the end of Page 15 my guy.

Granted, Golden dropped his vote but Shiny was in no position to escape the lynch.

And at that point, anyone trying to prevent the lynch would have painted a target on their backs to be lynched. You gotta understand the context here.

Without shish posting vote counts, we don't know how much each vote is worth. In Stars wars mafia, there was a role that could nullify and multi vote. We truly don't know the kit that mafia has so it is better to be safe than sorry.

(link to the situation for context: https://smashboards.com/threads/the...how-liberty-dies.458563/page-46#post-22525095)

 

[giraffelasergun]

Just to clarify, I think the reason that shish isn't posting vote counts is because there are shenanigans with votes this game that the mafia has control over.

 

[Pokechu]

And at that point, anyone trying to prevent the lynch would have painted a target on their backs to be lynched. You gotta understand the context here.

What context? GLG voted for the obvious lynch of the day. It might've been a minute before deadline, yeah. But it didn't change the result... it didn't have any other spooky effect. It just increased the wagon. It doesn't matter if anyone trying to prevent the lynch would be suspect if shiny flipped scum, etc... because shiny flipped town. That timeline doesn't exist. All GLG did was ensure Shiny would die.

IDK I just really don't see what the deal is with his vote

I'm just going to start my hibernation

 

[Ura]

Without shish posting vote counts, we don't know how much each vote is worth. In Stars wars mafia, there was a role that could nullify and multi vote. We truly don't know the kit that mafia has so it is better to be safe than sorry.

(link to the situation for context: https://smashboards.com/threads/the...how-liberty-dies.458563/page-46#post-22525095)

Just to clarify, I think the reason that shish isn't posting vote counts is because there are shenanigans with votes this game that the mafia has control over.

Usually with things like these, doublevoters votes aren't at play in the votecount. That's usually the reason why they're hidden in vote tallies.

But double so even, wouldn't said doublevoter expose themselves in said lynch? I mean say if a DB voted for Wereville who also had a vote on him D1. We would know exactly who said DB was and he would just expose himself.

What context? GLG voted for the obvious lynch of the day. It might've been a minute before deadline, yeah. But it didn't change the result... it didn't have any other spooky effect. It just increased the wagon. It doesn't matter if anyone trying to prevent the lynch would be suspect if shiny flipped scum, etc... because shiny flipped town. That timeline doesn't exist. All GLG did was ensure Shiny would die.

IDK I just really don't see what the deal is with his vote

I'm just going to start my hibernation

Yes but we need to consider why Giraffe had to go out his way voting the way he did full knowing that Shiny was doomed? If i'm in a position like that as a townie, it's a bad look. Even more so considering what I said.

It's not an outtright scum implication but it's really sketch.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Without shish posting vote counts, we don't know how much each vote is worth. In Stars wars mafia, there was a role that could nullify and multi vote. We truly don't know the kit that mafia has so it is better to be safe than sorry.

(link to the situation for context: https://smashboards.com/threads/the...how-liberty-dies.458563/page-46#post-22525095)

I don't think an official vote count would have any hint at there being a role that messes with votes.

It'd just say who voted who.

 

[Ura]

Anyways I gotta catch some Z's (and not Z25 mind you lol). I'll see y'all on the flip side.

 

[Z25]

Just to clarify, I think the reason that shish isn't posting vote counts is because there are shenanigans with votes this game that the mafia has control over.

I think it’s more likely that shishoe can’t read all these pages that fast to count votes

 

[Dooplissity]

Alright I'm finally off work after 12 hours. Bigger posts coming soontm. Fire off questions if you have any

vote unikorn

Will explain fully when I get home

 

[Dooplissity]

soon is in valve time and apparently yall are all gone anyway so shrug

i've already made my basic points on unikorn. tl;dr I don't think they looked good D1, especially now in light of shiny flip. i'll iso them and probably compile a thing for easy viewing in the morning or so

request deadline extension for maven catch-up and j-whatever's replacement, and because it's ****ty to have nothing on those slots leading into N2

 

[Pyra]

It's quiet.

Uh... uh...

*pokes everyone* slip up, someone
please
There isn't much to analyze at the moment.
I have nobody to vote for at the moment

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

woah no I do not want an early end to the phase

request deadline extension for maven catch-up and j-whatever's replacement, and because it's ****ty to have nothing on those slots leading into N2

I get why you extended but it's kinda ironic.

i've already made my basic points on unikorn. tl;dr I don't think they looked good D1, especially now in light of shiny flip. i'll iso them and probably compile a thing for easy viewing in the morning or so

WOAH WOAH woah, have you made any points on Uni? You were the first to through a vote there, and nobody has had any good reason for a Uni lynch thus far as far as I've seen.

Also there is no discusson.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

It's quiet.

Uh... uh...

*pokes everyone* slip up, someone
please
There isn't much to analyze at the moment.
I have nobody to vote for at the moment

Pyra , I'm looking through unikorn's and doop's posts atm if you want to join me

 

[Pyra]

Pyra , I'm looking through unikorn's and doop's posts atm if you want to join me

I just skimmed through unikorn's posts (man, I wish there was like... a thread filter to make this easier). I'll probably look harder, but I really don't see anything particularly wrong with anything Unikorn says. That doesn't mean they're innocent though.

The only thing I can think of is them joining Were in being aggressively against Z- but I was as well.

I also don't know how I feel about you, all things considered.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

And Dooplissity , I only ask that you elaborate more on Unikorn because you haven't given much to work with on a prospective uni lynch, if it ever goes there.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I just skimmed through unikorn's posts (man, I wish there was like... a thread filter to make this easier). I'll probably look harder, but I really don't see anything particularly wrong with anything Unikorn says. That doesn't mean they're innocent though.

The only thing I can think of is them joining Were in being aggressively against Z- but I was as well.

I also don't know how I feel about you, all things considered.

Exactly, I don't see anything wrong with Uni either. I was most talking about doop because that was a large jump to conclusions on his part that their scum.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I also don't know how I feel about you, all things considered.

Okay, what's up?

 

[Pyra]

Okay, what's up?

I was thinking about the inverse of possibility two Pyra

I don't think this line of thinking quite makes sense, but maybe it's just that we're thinking about the context differently. That said, Most of the people here aren't exactly proven to be trustworthy. Us included.
I've been in different types of this game where the scum is basically given a free pass the whole time by being more lowkey than the loudest people here.

I'm only assuming Praline and Z are town for the sake of progression and I can follow a hypothetical line of thinking. That said...

I accidentally hit post reply. I’m not a regular cop. My quirk ability is a one time use where I can look at their role pm. Ability names and alignment are not included.

Just had a thought.
If it's a one time use why did you use it so early, on Z?
Just curious.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I accidentally hit post reply. I’m not a regular cop. My quirk ability is a one time use where I can look at their role pm. Ability names and alignment are not included.

But... if you don't see the alignment, then it's not a real cop.

It's a one-shot role cop.

And like Toaster said, why use it so early on Z? Especially since again, you're not a typical cop, so knowing the abilities really don't help at figuring out the alignment all that much unless it's an obvious mafia role like strongman.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

WOAH WOAH woah, have you made any points on Uni?

He has.

i've already made my basic points on unikorn. tl;dr I don't think they looked good D1, especially now in light of shiny flip.

And he said he'd expand on them soom.

i'll iso them and probably compile a thing for easy viewing in the morning or so

 

[Lore]

But... if you don't see the alignment, then it's not a real cop.

It's a one-shot role cop.

And like Toaster said, why use it so early on Z? Especially since again, you're not a typical cop, so knowing the abilities really don't help at figuring out the alignment all that much unless it's an obvious mafia role like strongman.

It's kinda a weird claim said weirdly hesitantly at a weird time. Not sure how I feel on it.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I don't think this line of thinking quite makes sense, but maybe it's just that we're thinking about the context differently. That said, Most of the people here aren't exactly proven to be trustworthy. Us included.
I've been in different types of this game where the scum is basically given a free pass the whole time by being more lowkey than the loudest people here.

Hear me out. The inverse of two is this. Z25 was in a bad spot from everybody accusing him; lying at this point could be tragic. So let's say he tells the truth about his ability. Scum!Golden sees this, and lies about not getting a notification to make Z seem like their lying, only worsening their position.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

He has.



And he said he'd expand on them soom.

Could you link? The (Too long;didn't read) doesn't count because that needs to be given he made a post on the matter in the past. He also said he had before making the tl;dr.

My point was I dont think he had too many points on you to vote you...

 

[Pokechu]

Hear me out. The inverse of two is this. Z25 was in a bad spot from everybody accusing him; lying at this point could be tragic. So let's say he tells the truth about his ability. Scum!Golden sees this, and lies about not getting a notification to make Z seem like their lying, only worsening their position.

But why would scum Golden say "hey I can prove my ability" D1 but when he has a chance to prove it, go "no it didn't work" just to frame someone? We'd all still be expecting Golden to prove it sometime in the game.

And I really don't think this is likely when the reason is 99.9% that Golden's ability didn't work because Z didn't redirect anything (due to Werekill not submitting an action).

 

[Pyra]

But... if you don't see the alignment, then it's not a real cop.

It's a one-shot role cop.

And like Toaster said, why use it so early on Z? Especially since again, you're not a typical cop, so knowing the abilities really don't help at figuring out the alignment all that much unless it's an obvious mafia role like strongman.

The only thing I can think of is because of how aggressively defensive his play style is this game, Praline wanted to check if they were a hero or villain character immediately, which was just a bad move because they’re “bad at mafia” in their own words (I don’t believe that personally)

Hear me out. The inverse of two is this. Z25 was in a bad spot from everybody accusing him; lying at this point could be tragic. So let's say he tells the truth about his ability. Scum!Golden sees this, and lies about not getting a notification to make Z seem like their lying, only worsening their position.

But golden not getting a notification would be valid in this scenario

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Could you link? The (Too long;didn't read) doesn't count because that needs to be given he made a post on the matter in the past. He also said he had before making the tl;dr.

My point was I dont think he had too many points on you to vote you...

Doop's been suspicious of me since day 1, iirc.

The only thing I can think of is because of how aggressively defensive his play style is this game, Praline wanted to check if they were a hero or villain character immediately, which was just a bad move because they’re “bad at mafia” in their own words (I don’t believe that personally)

I believe it because I played a few games with praline before and yeah, they're bad.

But I've never really seen prapra be that bad either... Even at her worst, she was either just outplayed or a terrible liar, not making dumb stuff like this.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Also, why not use it on Were? Dude got a lot of attention from his shenanigans in day 1, after all.

 

[Pokechu]

I believe it because I played a few games with praline before and yeah, they're bad.

But I've never really seen prapra be that bad either... Even at her worst, she was either just outplayed or a terrible liar, not making dumb stuff like this.

wow uni why so mean LOL I should just kill you right now

because I'm *pulls off mask*

AQUAMAN!! and yeah I might be the worst hero but I have the best ability

dayDROWN UNI

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

wow uni why so mean LOL I should just kill you right now

because I'm *pulls off mask*

AQUAMAN!! and yeah I might be the worst hero but I have the best ability

dayDROWN UNI

But you forgot one thing... I know how to SWIM!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Also, take that back, Aquaman is a badass!