My Mafia Academia -- ENDGAME: Bites Za Dusto

[praline]

Normally you wouldn't lightly hint that you are an investigative role for no reason, either. Why did you first hint that you are an investigative, without any info from that role brought to the table?

Honestly I don’t know. I just blurted it out.

 

[Lore]

Pokechu I'm fairly satisfied with Golden for now, actually. His only reason for Shiny being scum was him being completely inactive, so after a few posts (even if they were insubstantial), he backed off. Unlike those like me who had issues with the content of Shiny's posts.

Actually... Hmm.

His claim is strange though, if he is scum. He claimed a role that, if he was targeted, would send a pm to two other players. No one received a pm, and he said that he didn't receive notification that his ability triggered. So why did he claim?

@GoldenYuiitusin Do you mind clearing up and restating what your ability does, if you would get a notification that it was used, and whether it is passive or actively used?

Also, why did you claim?

 

[Lore]

Honestly I don’t know. I just blurted it out.

That's weird af. Why would you just blurt out a hint that you're an investigative role?

 

[praline]

That's weird af. Why would you just blurt out a hint that you're an investigative role?

I just thought it was a good idea in the moment.

 

[Lore]

I just thought it was a good idea in the moment.

What led you to think it was a good idea in the moment? Even if it's a simple reason.

 

[praline]

What led you to think it was a good idea in the moment? Even if it's a simple reason.

Cause I thought I could help Z.

 

[Lore]

I didn’t mention Jojalole cause I thought he posted but didn’t. lol I posted a bunch.

I don’t even know why I voted for him. I unvoted cause I’m sure he’s not a villain.

Yeah. The only reason I was hesitant on him 100% being town is cause he seemed creepy in the anime so I assumed he would become a villain at some point lol

Suddenly being "sure he's not a villain" while being "hesitant" earlier, even after you voted for him? Combine that with your weird, sudden claim, and you look a bit rough to me.

Vote: Praline

I have a normal and a Quirk.

Golden: In addition to my earlier question, please answer this one. What is your normal action?

 

[Z25]

One thing to ask praline

if you thought I was a villain and had an easy confirmation, why didn't you just google it?
If you thought I really was a villain, you had no reason to hide it until things died down. If you thought I was a hero, you could have read shinsho's wiki page and learned anything you needed right away.

 

[praline]

One thing to ask praline

if you thought I was a villain and had an easy confirmation, why didn't you just google it?
If you thought I really was a villain, you had no reason to hide it until things died down. If you thought I was a hero, you could have read shinsho's wiki page and learned anything you needed right away.

I mean I didn’t really wanna spoil the show cause I wanna watch it once this game is over.

 

[Lore]

I accidentally hit post reply. I’m not a regular cop. My quirk ability is a one time use where I can look at their role pm. Ability names and alignment are not included.

Also this role being a one-shot role cop is super weird. Ignoring the flavor issues of a character who can observe 100 people being limited to 1, why would an arguably-weaker cop be limited to one shot?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Also I kinda feel weird about Pokechu but I'll explain more if it ever becomes more relevant.

Toaster feeling sus about practically EVERYbody at some point. I'm fine with you looking into me, but nobody ever calls my husband scum without my permission.

I say that half jokingly, but now that's Shiny, Doop, Z25, Werekill, Praline, Pokechu and I that have been accused by TB. Unikorn is noticeably lacking from the list. Okay TB, I'd love to see YOUR genuine read list because we can't all be scum to you.

 

[praline]

Also this role being a one-shot role cop is super weird. Ignoring the flavor issues of a character who can observe 100 people being limited to 1, why would an arguably-weaker cop be limited to one shot?

You’d have to ask Shish about that. Maybe she thinks the cop role is too cheap or something. I dunno.

 

[Ura]

Ura has had Z on his #1 pick for a little while iirc. Just tried to use Shinso's character as a gut feeling scum read.

I had Z as my #1 pick because of the ordeal from the start of the phase. There's really no way to verify his claims about the redirecting so it's a blank slate. When I saw the flavor of who his character was, I was convinced that he was likely scum until someone corrected me on the character's alignment.

The other person who I have as sketch is Giraffe based on what I said yesterday so in all likelihood, my vote will go to one of those two.

 

[Pyra]

Toaster feeling sus about practically EVERYbody at some point. I'm fine with you looking into me, but nobody ever calls my husband scum without my permission.

I say that half jokingly, but now that's Shiny, Doop, Z25, Werekill, Praline, Pokechu and I that have been accused by TB. Unikorn is noticeably lacking from the list. Okay TB, I'd love to see YOUR genuine read list because we can't all be scum to you.

Unikorn backed off after I started defending praline, but was either severely misunderstanding her or intentionally twisting her words and when I pointed out what was wrong, they backed down.

Also,
I'm not accusing folk, because I'd vote if I were. I'm merely suggesting that there are possibilities. I don't think stagnating right now is a good idea.

If y'all want to vote me up for spreading my thoughts out then by all means.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

If y'all want to vote me up for spreading my thoughts out then by all means.

I also never suggested that. I'm assuming good intent (unless that's what you want me to think), but because you have thrown out so many possibilities, I would really like to know which priorities are at the top of your list.

 

[Z25]

I mean I didn’t really wanna spoil the show cause I wanna watch it once this game is over.

Question,

You've watch at least the first half of season one? Correct?

 

[praline]

Question,

You've watch at least the first half of season one? Correct?

Yeah but I don’t really remember anything honestly

 

[Z25]

I mean I didn’t really wanna spoil the show cause I wanna watch it once this game is over.

Yeah but I don’t really remember anything honestly

Correction, I mean the first season completely.

 

[praline]

Correction, I mean the first season completely.

My answer is the same.

 

[Pyra]

I also never suggested that. I'm assuming good intent (unless that's what you want me to think), but because you have thrown out so many possibilities, I would really like to know which priorities are at the top of your list.

Right now, I'm assuming Z and Praline are safe and looking at Ura and Unikorn for the relatively simplistic reasons I mentioned before.

 

[Lore]

You’d have to ask Shish about that. Maybe she thinks the cop role is too cheap or something. I dunno.

Still a very weird claim with weird timing with no real reason for it. Especially with your vote, then hesitancy, then sudden surety that Z isn't scum.

You're my number 1 vote today, simple as that.

Also,
I'm not accusing folk, because I'd vote if I were. I'm merely suggesting that there are possibilities. I don't think stagnating right now is a good idea.

If y'all want to vote me up for spreading my thoughts out then by all means.

Yeah I don't understand this point against you. Giving lists of reads and saying who is suspicious is always a good thing. It's way better than blankly letting the thread be inactive.

 

[praline]

Still a very weird claim with weird timing with no real reason for it. Especially with your vote, then hesitancy, then sudden surety that Z isn't scum.

You're my number 1 vote today, simple as that.



Yeah I don't understand this point against you. Giving lists of reads and saying who is suspicious is always a good thing. It's way better than blankly letting the thread be inactive.

It’s not that weird if you know me but whatever it’s all good.

 

[Z25]

My answer is the same.

Hm I'm not sure what to think of this. I can understand not wanting to spoil yourself, but forget shinsho who's is short but sweet and pretty memorable is a little odd to me. Not saying it can't happen, but I don't see why if you had the cop check you'd risk a minor spoiler to see If I'm scum or not as that would completely protect you this game until I was lynched of course.

 

[Z25]

My answer is the same.

Hm I'm not sure what to think of this. I can understand not wanting to spoil yourself, but forget shinsho who's is short but sweet and pretty memorable is a little odd to me. Not saying it can't happen, but I don't see why if you had the cop check you'd risk a minor spoiler to see If I'm scum or not as that would completely protect you this game.

 

[Lore]

Werekill's reads:

Scum:

praline For the weird claim and behavior.

@GoldenYuiitusin Until he comes in here and answers about the claim, it feels fishier and fishier as time goes on.

Null but weird:

UtopianPoyzin Sorry my dude, you just have some reactions that aren't quite jiving with me for some reason. Call it a gut instinct. I don't have you as scum lean, just a weird slot that I want to read more as the game goes on.

The Stoopid Unikorn Putting you on this list to keep an eye on as the game continues. I could see your claim being either town catching Golden in a lie or as scum, having not received a pm, choosing to push against Golden. Your behavior immediately after that keeps you as firmly null to me. Just weird.

Dooplissity This person has strong opinions and dives into pushes. Probably just an aggressive playstyle, but I'd like to keep them on my "weird" list.

Pokechu Seems a bit noncommital on hard reads, backing off pushes very quickly. Not sure how I feel on this one, and I welcome evidence that shows my view as being wrong. I may have missed a post or two.

Null:

Everyone else that isn't Z25 . Unless I forgot someone.

Town:

Z25 This player was pretty clearly setting up the role, especially as the game went on and he repeatedly said he has to respond to everyone. I'm fine calling him town for my sanity's sake.

 

[Lore]

It’s not that weird if you know me but whatever it’s all good.

And I've repeatedly said how much I value meta as a defense. The vote absolutely stays.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It’s not that weird if you know me but whatever it’s all good.

I know you and it's still weird. Invalid argument.

 

[praline]

Hm I'm not sure what to think of this. I can understand not wanting to spoil yourself, but forget shinsho who's is short but sweet and pretty memorable is a little odd to me. Not saying it can't happen, but I don't see why if you had the cop check you'd risk a minor spoiler to see If I'm scum or not as that would completely protect you this game until I was lynched of course.

I don’t know any of the characters by their names except All Might(and also Mineta for other reasons)cause Japanese names are hard to remember for me. I give them all codenames. Like main guy, gravity girl, sweat guy, fast nerd, hand face, bird shadow, rock head.

 

[Lore]

I know you and it's still weird. Invalid argument.

You ready to ride this wagon into the sunset with me?

 

[Pokechu]

Seems a bit noncommital on hard reads, backing off pushes very quickly.

What pushes have I backed off on, if you don't mind digging up a quote or two?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You ready to ride this wagon into the sunset with me?

I'll need some more time to silently judge how everyone's behaving first...

unless you have some treats. I'll follow whichever side has treats.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

unless you have some treats. I'll follow whichever side has treats.

Note: don't read into this too much, it's just one of my usual and horrible jokes.

 

[Pokechu]

Also this role being a one-shot role cop is super weird. Ignoring the flavor issues of a character who can observe 100 people being limited to 1, why would an arguably-weaker cop be limited to one shot?

Could you not say this about any other role? Why does Z need someone to quote him for him to redirect? Why does Golden gain no benefit from his role whatsoever?... etc. Yeah Z's limitation matches up with his character but the ability still didn't need to be limited.

I need to reread praline's claim but if it's a rolecop (find out the character and abilities) then that's a VERY powerful role so it being one-shot makes sense. plus she could also have another role too. I know my ability is needlessly limited and weak RIP so praline's role cop being one-shot shouldn't raise any eyebrows.

 

[Ura]

Might as well give my reads as well. Hold on a sec...

 

[Dooplissity]

Here' the recap of my thoughts on Unikorn.

post 1:

I re-read the thread a bit, can you give me your thought on my scumpool?

It is [poyzin, unikorn, golden] in that order. Poyzin I've already addressed. Golden's there for also avoiding a harder stance after the cop claim, and for a lot of fluff posts compared to content (see: page 12). For Unikorn, I dislike the excuse of not contributing much D1, and he's also got a poor content:fluff ratio, but most of all, I dislike the artificially inflated reads-list which is masquerading as more content than it really is. Here's the post:

Suspicious:

Dooplissity - Dude was pushing hard on your fake claim, like a few people said.

Need some time for me to figure things out:

Lore - I actually have a theory about you and your gambit, but if my theory's right, saying it out loud could end up ruining things. My opinion of you will vary depending on what happens in the next few phases, giving me the time to think of whether or not my theory's right.

@GoldenYuiitusin - While not as obvious as Doop, he did go into the "vote Toaster, then vote Werekill if Toaster flipped town" kind of scenario and tried to get us into it. But aside from the possibility of both being town, his overall reasoning isn't wrong and it could just be townie thinking since pretty much anyone could think the same way, hence why he doesn't strike me as suspicious.

Say something already!!!:

Ura @Jojalole @ShinyLegendary - Seriously, you three are doing nothing and that can really screw things over for us.

Neutral:

Everyone else. Not worth tagging.

Here's the post condensed down to actual stances:

Suspicious:

Dooplissity - Dude was pushing hard on your fake claim, like a few people said.

It's a pretty big difference, and it's a lot more "look at me I'm helpful!" than, like, actually helpful.

Post 2:

I obviously do not believe there's a forger, so having re-read under the assumption that Shiny is Town, my thoughts on a high level are this: it makes a lot of sense for anyone, whether town or mafia, to jump on him after he refused to cooperate, so I think there's little to be gained from the end of the wagon.

But, it makes sense for mafia to spotlight him as a potential suspect early, so that they could jump on later if Shinywagon got going (which it did), The players that did this early on are Unikorn, Golden, and Z25. Golden's claim today seems genuine and trying to help, so I'm willing to drop my suspicion on him at the moment.

That leaves Unikorn and Z25 as suspects for me w/r/t the Shiny's townflip. I previously already suspected Unikorn, and Z25 v Werekill I read as TvT, so that would leave me with Unikorn as my top scumread, not factoring in what's happened D2. But obviously, a lot of **** has gone down today. I need to figure out how much I weigh that against my D1 reads, but I'm almost certainly going to end on one of these two.

preview edit: werekill's 919 happened as I was writing this, that sells me on vote z25. Rest of post left as-is to illustrate thought process.

Gonna ISO them now and see if I want to add anything to that.

 

[Lore]

What pushes have I backed off on, if you don't mind digging up a quote or two?

Off the top of my head, I remember you being first anti-shiny then getting away from it. To be honest though, I kinda exhausted at work and don't want to dig through posts. Can I save it for next Day phase, if I live through the Night?

I don't have you as a scum read, just null with some weirdness. I do not intend to vote for you or push on you toDay.

Could you not say this about any other role? Why does Z need someone to quote him for him to redirect? Why does Golden gain no benefit from his role whatsoever?... etc. Yeah Z's limitation matches up with his character but the ability still didn't need to be limited.

I need to reread praline's claim but if it's a rolecop (find out the character and abilities) then that's a VERY powerful role so it being one-shot makes sense. plus she could also have another role too. I know my ability is needlessly limited and weak RIP so praline's role cop being one-shot shouldn't raise any eyebrows.

The quote redirect is pretty clearly a flavor nod, considering how easy it is to gather quote replies. I'd say the same for Golden (being the Beacon that other players can see but he gets no direct benefit from), if I didn't think the claim was so weird.

Role cop without being given alignment, though? Then another limitation on top of that? That's weird. It only looks worse with how the claim happened and Praline's behavior before the claim.

 

[Dooplissity]

If my reasoning just so happens to line up with other people, I'm not just randomly gonna come up with a bogus reason just for the sake of adding content.

That'd be a scummy thing to do.

actually looking at the thread I don't like this post either - the tone is weird and I think it kind of strawmans my argument. My point was that Unikorn brought up 6 people in their reads list, but there was only a concrete stance on 1. I'm obviously not asking them to come up with bogus reasons - they can just agree with other people's viewponts - I just wanted some kind of solid reads rather than a lot of wiggle room. Additionally, if their stated goal is "not just adding stuff", why is the reads list so bloated?

It's just off to me. The logic doesn't seem internally consistent, it feels much more fabricated piecemeal to justify Unikorn's actions.

 

[Pokechu]

Off the top of my head, I remember you being first anti-shiny then getting away from it. To be honest though, I kinda exhausted at work and don't want to dig through posts. Can I save it for next Day phase, if I live through the Night?

I don't have you as a scum read, just null with some weirdness. I do not intend to vote for you or push on you toDay.

oh yeah sure you can save it for the next day phase! I was just curious whenever you feel like scouring through is fine with me!

The quote redirect is pretty clearly a flavor nod, considering how easy it is to gather quote replies. I'd say the same for Golden (being the Beacon that other players can see but he gets no direct benefit from), if I didn't think the claim was so weird.

Role cop without being given alignment, though? Then another limitation on top of that? That's weird. It only looks worse with how the claim happened and Praline's behavior before the claim.

Usually role cops don't get alignments (at least in the last games I've played with the NZone), only the target's abilities and character. So since it can give you a lot of context (e.g. you role cop someone in Mario Mafia and you get Bowser, or you get a strongman) then I think a one-shot, even if you don't get an alignment, makes sense.

I don't understand why praline is so "hmmm IDK lol" but it ironically makes me think the opposite of scum. I think if she was scum she'd be more pressured to say something that sounds legit, rather than literally "yeah um I guess lol" LOL

I do have a huge bias towards praline though so I'm going to reread her posts, I usually check her off as town in the first few phases but the "hmmm IDK" is a bit strange.

 

[Lore]

I forget: is direct quoting of role PMs allowed?

 

[Deleted member]

I forget: is direct quoting of role PMs allowed?

It is not