My Mafia Academia -- ENDGAME: Bites Za Dusto

[Lore]

If there's some kind of posting restriction that prevents you from giving reads, then that's ridiculous. I refuse to believe that's the case.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

If there's some kind of posting restriction that prevents you from giving reads, then that's ridiculous. I refuse to believe that's the case.

I have no idea why they aren't doing anything either, but I don't want to be wrong about this vote. There obviously has to be a reason why Shiny isn't posting a read list. Despite how much I'm curious, I don't want to assume that they're "dense", and a posting restriction may be in play, no matter how ridiculous it seems.

 

[praline]

Is no lynch a thing in this game @Shishœ ?

 

[Deleted member]

Hey, that's kinda rude.

However @ShinyLegendary, even when you acknowledged what the question was, you still refused to answer.






Do. You. Have. A. Posting. Restriction. Yes. Or. No.

Here you are;

1. Maven89: Unsure
2. Z25: I trust him, his arguments seem to be accurate.
3. Pokechu: Seems trustworthy, but let's not jump on him too fast.
4. Ura: Unsure
5. Werekill: I slightly do not trust.
6. UtopianPoyzin: I am conflicted. You have not done anything bad, but I see some people voting for you.
7. GLG: I will trust them for now.
8. Dooplissity: Unsure
9. ToasterBrains: I trust them, they seem legit.
10. Praline: Unsure
11. The Stoopid Unikorn: Trustworthy.
12. Jojalole: Unsure.
13. GoldenYuiitusin: Trustworthy.

I apologize if this was too vague.

EDIT: I had to change my wording to not mistake someone. Please do not infarct me.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Here you are;

1. Maven89: Unsure
2. Z25: I trust him, his arguments seem to be accurate.
3. Pokechu: Seems trustworthy, but let's not jump on him too fast.
4. Ura: Unsure
5. Werekill: I slightly do not trust.
6. UtopianPoyzin: I am conflicted. You have not done anything bad, but I see some people voting for you.
7. GLG: I will trust them for now.
8. Dooplissity: Unsure
9. ToasterBrains: I trust him, he seems legit.
10. Praline: Unsure
11. The Stoopid Unikorn: Trustworthy.
12. Jojalole: Unsure.
13. GoldenYuiitusin: Trustworthy.

I apologize if this was too vague.

Thanks a ton, no apologize necessary. I'm just glad that you answered our question.

Hey, that's kinda rude.

However @ShinyLegendary, even when you acknowledged what the question was, you still refused to answer.






Do. You. Have. A. Posting. Restriction. Yes. Or. No.

The minute I saw that you like this post, I was going to say that you did have a posting restriction and were Koji the whole time, but luckily you did help us out.

 

[Lore]

Those views are extraordinarily vague. Why?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Here you are;

1. Maven89: Unsure
2. Z25: I trust him, his arguments seem to be accurate.
3. Pokechu: Seems trustworthy, but let's not jump on him too fast.
4. Ura: Unsure
5. Werekill: I slightly do not trust.
6. UtopianPoyzin: I am conflicted. You have not done anything bad, but I see some people voting for you.
7. GLG: I will trust them for now.
8. Dooplissity: Unsure
9. ToasterBrains: I trust them, they seems legit.
10. Praline: Unsure
11. The Stoopid Unikorn: Trustworthy.
12. Jojalole: Unsure.
13. GoldenYuiitusin: Trustworthy.

I apologize if this was too vague.

EDIT: I had to change something to not upset someone, please do not infarct me.

My one thing that I have with this is: why do you label everybody as "trustworthy" and "unsure" instead of "town" and "scum"? I mean, you still have a vote down on Werekill, but you only say that they are "slightly [untrustworthy]". Why not just go ahead and say that you think they're mafia?

Also, what happened with my loves Pokechu and GLG? What'd they do so far for you to be wary about them? I mean, we shouldn't jump on anybody too fast and I don't know why you call only GLG out for that. Unikorn and Golden are listed as "trustworthy", but is that different from "trustworthy for now" like you wrote for Pokechu?

Am I missing something why you seem cautious about these two but oblivious to Unikorn and Golden? I'm not saying those two are scum, for I have town reads on them too, but writing "trustworthy" as a separate label as "trustworthy for now" is pretty scary that you'll ignore the possibility of them being sneaky mafioso

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Those views are extraordinarily vague. Why?

Oops, I was writing out my post and you beat me to it

 

[Deleted member]

Is no lynch a thing in this game @Shishœ ?

It is.

 

[Deleted member]

You will all make a big mistake by lynching me.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

You will all make a big mistake by lynching me.

Now you're giving up? You can still give a defense for yourself, and while I think your town still, any party can say that when they die. If you were mafia and dying, you could say the same thing as like a "your loss" dying post. There are still 8 hours in the phase, you aren't lynched yet.

I like what you're thinking about Werekill, but where do we go with it?

 

[Deleted member]

Now you're giving up? You can still give a defense for yourself, and while I think your town still, any party can say that when they die. If you were mafia and dying, you could say the same thing as like a "your loss" dying post. There are still 8 hours in the phase, you aren't lynched yet.

I like what you're thinking about Werekill, but where do we go with it?

Why did Werekill use their ability so early?
That is not possible.

Lore is your ability related to a police worker?

 

[giraffelasergun]

Why did Werekill use their ability so early?
That is not possible.

Lore is your ability related to a police worker?

Werekill later admitted to not being a day cop, that he claimed to be one to gauge reactions

 

[Deleted member]

Werekill later admitted to not being a day cop, that he claimed to be one to gauge reactions

That seems very fishy though.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

That seems very fishy though.

You think that Werekill is the cop and that it wasn't a fake claim? If that's the case, why would you vote for Werekill if he's the town cop?

 

[Deleted member]

You think that Werekill is the cop and that it wasn't a fake claim? If that's the case, why would you vote for Werekill if he's the town cop?

Why did he change his mind and say that he is not a day cop?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Why did he change his mind and say that he is not a day cop?

He wanted to bait out players who would immediately jump on a fake claim wagon to exploit them for doing so.

 

[Deleted member]

Shiny's been more active, so there goes my whole reason for voting.
Unvote: ShinyLegendary

No idea who I'd vote for next. This day one has been far from productive.

 

[Z25]

I see shiny hasn’t been reading he thread after all and thus isn’t really participating when they’ve had a chance. That doesn’t look good imo

 

[Lore]

Why did he change his mind and say that he is not a day cop?

Have you actually been reading the thread? Have you caught up at all?

Like if you don't care about this game, replace out.

Also, saying that "we will make a big mistake" lynching you is crap without anything to back it up. It's grasping at straws.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

@ShinyLegendary Don't actually replace out, just it would be great if you did a better job at reading the thread, thanks!

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Okay Werekill, I'm looking back at your posting history and I can't really find anything all that scummy, so you're off the hook in my book.

For now. Until I find something scummy about you, but you still got me earlier.

Z25, on the otherhand... I was originally siding with you, but I'm looking at things with a more open mind now, and...

 

[Deleted member]

There is no point in arguing back.
I do agree with Z25 .

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I see shiny hasn’t been reading he thread after all and thus isn’t really participating when they’ve had a chance. That doesn’t look good imo

I do agree with Z25 Z25 .

Agree with Z25 on what?

 

[Deleted member]

Agree with Z25 on what?

His arguments against Werekill.

 

[Lore]

What arguments, exactly? The ones that he started saying when he got super defensive, riled up, and irrational?

If you'd stop being so vague, maybe you wouldn't look so absolutely scummy.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I'm re-reading the whole Werekill v Z, and I've gotta say, because I was so set on Werekill being scum, I never considered the possibility that he was bringing up good arguments; Z25 did not do a great job defending himself against Werekill's completely valid claims. Do I think Z25 is scum? Not necessarily, but he, similarly to how Werekill was acting early game, was reading into every little thing. Z went back to gather and detail his whole entire mindset one sliver at a time, when it was something that he really didn't need to go back and do. If Z was town, he wouldn't need to justify his early actions as meticulously as he did. I appreciate him being descript, but the way it was worded sounded like it was a rehearsal more than a recounting. Albeit a hostile rehearsal.

 

[Lore]

Werekill's scum pool for D1:

ShinyLegendary : for being exceedingly vague, for clearly not reading the thread, and for general behavior. I also think his lynch would give solid info on Unikorn and Pokechu, for assorted reasons.

Werekill's null but weird pool:

Utopia : Is definitely continuing their weird style of being pretty noncommital in a lot of reads and stances. I have them as null, but I'm not sure if this behavior is just them being cautious, nice, or something more.

Unikorn : No offense here, I just still find the ignoring of the cop claim plus subsequent defense to be a bit weird. Not nearly enough for a scum read, but I'd love to see a Shiny flip to decide on you for now.

Doop : leaning towards the early hard push to be exactly what they had said, but I'm leaving them in this stack for just a bit more. I already feel myself softening up towards them, though.

Golden : Something in my gut is itching here. I'm leaning towards this slot being null or town, but I'm putting you here to remind myself to reread all your stuff after D1. I can't put my finger on it right now, but it's probably nothing.

Z25 : Pretty sure that this slot is just frustrated town, but I'd like to continue to acknowledge that some things were odd. This placement is mostly for my own mental notes.

Null :

Pretty much everyone else. I'd kill for a Toaster investigate if we have a cop.

 

[Lore]

I'm re-reading the whole Werekill v Z, and I've gotta say, because I was so set on Werekill being scum, I never considered the possibility that he was bringing up good arguments; Z25 did not do a great job defending himself against Werekill's completely valid claims. Do I think Z25 is scum? Not necessarily, but he, similarly to how Werekill was acting early game, was reading into every little thing. Z went back to gather and detail his whole entire mindset one sliver at a time, when it was something that he really didn't need to go back and do. If Z was town, he wouldn't need to justify his early actions as meticulously as he did. I appreciate him being descript, but the way it was worded sounded like it was a rehearsal more than a recounting. Albeit a hostile rehearsal.

Yeah some behavior was still weird, so I'd like to keep an eye on that slot for the rest of the game. But I suspect it was just frustrated town, although that may be my own bias.

I'd have to see more to really settle on my read there.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

On that little ditty, my vote for now is set on Vote: Z25.

*Heh, nothing personnel, kid.*

Also for real, don't take this to heart. I tried to come up with better reasonings for others but I don't like the way that you tried to cancel other people's suspicions through a complete game recap. Anybody could give reasons for their actions, but that doesn't make them any less weird.

Yes, because this is a game. I honestly don't care where reads are on me. That's not crocodile tears or any bs, I'm someone who plays to play. You can ask anyone here, your not the first to say I'm spouting crocordile tears, and you won't be the last I'm sure. People don't like my open playstyle but that's not my problem. You act like I should be ready to die for reads day 1. I sure as hell won't.

There's little to nothing to go off of, so of course I'll "leave open" people. you aren't getting one hundred percent solid info day one, I don't know why you keep acting like you should.

As for Doop? Defend him really? Me saying he's got a good chance to be scum is not a defense lmao. Your letting your bias affect that now. Because I presented that either you or him were scum in that scenario.

Also pushing hard against an inactive? Well excuse me for for wanting information off of inactives. You aren't getting anywhere without a push. Case in point, Shiny literally showed up the moment I tagged him and started discussing the possibility he's scum.

You gonna sit here and tell me that's not really convienent? If your that blind to my reasoning, then I can't do anything there. I also didn't push harder on Shiny. I'd say I'd vote him out day 2 if he wasn't here.

Are you gonna tell me that its wrong to vote someone who would have had over 24 hours to post and didn't? Because I don't see a problem there.

And I didn't say you had to vote on what you pointed out. You just addressed them and left them without ever going back to them. That's shady, you could have pressed on them more, becuase you didn't. That screams scum to me looking to make posts look bad later when they need to save themselves late game.

I played a lot and seen a lot of playstyles. Thats what I base my observations on. You may not like them, but they aren't different then any other game and they aren't scummy.

I was thinking over the possibility of a mafia meta and I refuse to believe that one exists.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Utopia : Is definitely continuing their weird style of being pretty noncommital in a lot of reads and stances. I have them as null, but I'm not sure if this behavior is just them being cautious, nice, or something more.

Lol, I was voting as you said that. C'mon Werekill, stop predicting my actions. You're gonna get me killed lmao

Edit: typo in this post, and fixed formatting in the above post. I'm having a keyboard seizure, forgive me.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Hey Class 1-A, just wanted to let you know that I'm switching my text color, and I need an opinion.

I've had four colors in the past, being this crimson color of #ff3f3f, this banana color of #ffff3f, and this lime color of #3fff3f.

Of course there is the standard orange that I've been using, which is #ffaf3f, but I will be reverting to one of the three above colors for a while. First person to respond picks.

 

[Z25]

I'm re-reading the whole Werekill v Z, and I've gotta say, because I was so set on Werekill being scum, I never considered the possibility that he was bringing up good arguments; Z25 did not do a great job defending himself against Werekill's completely valid claims. Do I think Z25 is scum? Not necessarily, but he, similarly to how Werekill was acting early game, was reading into every little thing. Z went back to gather and detail his whole entire mindset one sliver at a time, when it was something that he really didn't need to go back and do. If Z was town, he wouldn't need to justify his early actions as meticulously as he did. I appreciate him being descript, but the way it was worded sounded like it was a rehearsal more than a recounting. Albeit a hostile rehearsal.

A rehearsal? Yeah no offense but you should probably learn a bit more about the game. It’s understandable though your new.

Someone speaking their mind and justifying actions is really a bad thing. If your asked on reasoning, you should explain yourselves. It’s that simple, I do it every game. That’s just meta .

On that little ditty, my vote for now is set on Vote: Z25.

*Heh, nothing personnel, kid.*

Also for real, don't take this to heart. I tried to come up with better reasonings for others but I don't like the way that you tried to cancel other people's suspicions through a complete game recap. Anybody could give reasons for their actions, but that doesn't make them any less weird.



I was thinking over the possibility of a mafia meta and I refuse to believe that one exists.

I really don’t get your explanation here. I gave reasons, that’s all. I don’t get why they are weird. I can understand someone not agreeing but weird makes no sense to me.

Also how can you not justify shiny giving all that’s taken place?

Lastly there is a meta for mafia. It varies though. Scum will usually make the same mistakes or have a similar parttern between games. It’s just hard to grasp and takes a lot of games.

Some advice would be to study how people play as both town and mafia in different gam snand you can learn more on their tactics and play styles.

 

[Lore]

Lol, I was voting as you said that. C'mon Werekill, stop predicting my actions. You're gonna get me killed lmao

Edit: typo in this post, and fixed formatting in the above post. I'm having a keyboard seizure, forgive me.

Lmao. Excellent. I applaud you for the vote, but I still can't tell if your style is overly nice/accommodating for innocent reasons or for scum ones. I don't think I'll decide on that until some flips, no offense.

I will stand pretty firm on Shiny being the lynch for today, unless something changes.

 

[Ura]

Just so you guys know, i'm catching up. Currently on Page 12 because there's so many text walls to read lol.

 

[Pyra]

I'd kill for a Toaster investigate if we have a cop.

Hell, I wouldn't mind it either.

In any case, sorry. Had training at my new job today- anything important I miss? Of course I'll get to reading it all, but it'd be great to get a little rundown.

 

[Z25]

Hell, I wouldn't mind it either.

In any case, sorry. Had training at my new job today- anything important I miss? Of course I'll get to reading it all, but it'd be great to get a little rundown.

Nothing really their than that shiny is the majority lynch for his purposefully inactivity and lack of being committed to reading the tread/answering questions

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

A rehearsal?

Yup, a rehearsal. I mean, I was in favor of it, but after looking back at the text, there is no real indicator that you are town. You defend your actions, sure, but you never seemed to defend your townhood.

"I played a lot and seen a lot of playstyles. That's what I base my observations on. You may not like them, but they aren't different then any other game and they aren't scummy."

Okay, I don't doubt you. That doesn't hide from the fact that you tried to put up a shield to Werekill's criticism. While you may have been in the right, you over-compensated to seem suspicious on the opposite end, which is seemingly putting up a ploy of your game.

Yeah no offense but you should probably learn a bit more about the game.

After how poorly I played my first game here, a game in which I only tried to survive as long as possible for personal benefit, I wanted to learn more mafia strategies. I did a bunch of research on the topic to see what good townies would do and what good mafioso would do, but then I realized that you could simply NOT follow the strategy and be just as fair off. So I do hear where you are coming from with those regards because I am inexperienced with forum mafia, which is a whole new ballgame compared to casual, party mafia. After hearing you talk about a meta, though, got me really curious to go back and read if there was one. I was all the more confused to find that the "meta is always changing when more people find out about it". Then I realized; there can't be a meta if everybody knows it and tries to avoid it. This was the silliest part about a mafia meta. Sure, meta's change over time as people adapt to it, and the same exact thing happens with the mafia meta. Reverse reverse reverse reverse psychology.

My point is that people aren't that predictable. I don't know how to play any game besides the one I always have been playing. Every time I play mafia, I try to play the same way regardless of my role. Whether that's dumb or not doesn't really matter, but my mindset for playing mafia does not change my posts, only my wincon. We are more complicated then a meta, which is why I refuse to acknowledge any mafia meta as valid if we can simply NOT go with it. Unless the meta is to "not do the meta," which I would respond with "touché", despite the previous statement being a paradox.

It’s understandable though your new.

Rough. Passive aggressiveness just got me...

If your asked on reasoning, you should explain yourselves. It’s that simple, I do it every game. That’s just meta .

"Look at me fellow townsfolk, I follow the town meta!"

Sorry, just a bit angered at previous bit. My point is that it seems like you are merely going through the motions of town, if that makes any sense, and then you proceed to get angry when people raise concerns about your playing with precise reasons for literally everything you've done. Like I said, I didn't mind it at first, but when you started getting into the technicalities of the game to justify "that's just what town does", or scum reads as "i've seen a lot of mafia, and this is what mafia do", then you are telling everybody that you are keeping a very close watch on what you yourself are doing to act town. Whether you are or aren't, you seem suspicious by your hyper-awareness of the innerworkings of mafia and how people have acted in past games.

This is a really complex topic and I guess it all just boils down to gut(?), but that is where my head is at. Defending yourself isn't wrong, but following up with trying to scumread based on what has happened in the past, regardless of whether it holds for this game, makes it seem like you are doing your best to appear town when that may or may not be the case. Sometimes you have to go in with a blank slate.

Once again, somebody tell me if I'm going insane on this one.

Also how can you not justify shiny giving all that’s taken place?

Shiny hasn't been playing too great of a game, I'll agree, but I don't think that voting for them is the correct move at this point in the game. They have yet to act scummy in my book despite not really being into the game, and I can only see a player who's trying to get back into playing the game, after neglecting to look through it for a while. Give me time on that case.

Some advice would be to study how people play as both town and mafia in different games and you can learn more on their tactics and play styles.

Yeah but we aren't looking at different games. We're looking at this game only. Base your thoughts on past games all you want, but you're trying to analyze 13 poker faces from behind screens, and you can't exactly dictate actions based on past results. It's a good place to start, sure, but nothing is set in stone, and we can't predict the future.

 

[Ura]

SO

MUCH

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sorry guys but i always cringe everytime i come across a text wall with multiple quotes

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

^pronoun fix