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My Mafia Academia -- ENDGAME: Bites Za Dusto

UtopianPoyzin

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Oh yeah hey Z25 Z25 , sorry if I'm wrong about you. I probably think you're mafia because I don't want to think of myself as an unidentifiable, generic person in the face of the algorith known as the mafia meta. Seeing that my whole gameplay boils down to a predetermined mindset is too complicated for me to successfully swallow.

Edit: I hate myself.
 
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Lore

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Oh yeah hey Z25 Z25 , sorry if I'm wrong about you. I probably think you're mafia because I don't want to think of myself as an unidentifiable, generic person in the face of the algorith known as the mafia meta. Seeing that my whole gameplay boils down to a predetermined mindset is too complicated for me to successfully swallow.

Edit: I hate myself.
To be fair, I think the whole idea of mafia meta can be ridiculous sometimes. Go by actions and reads, less by meta.

I'm not saying it's useless, but it's not the first tool you should reach for.
 

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Broke: playing the game like how you’ve played previous games so people can analyze your patterns

Woke: establish a pattern and play this game totally differently because people who analyze patterns would be at a severe disadvantage
 

Z25

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Yup, a rehearsal. I mean, I was in favor of it, but after looking back at the text, there is no real indicator that you are town. You defend your actions, sure, but you never seemed to defend your townhood.

"I played a lot and seen a lot of playstyles. That's what I base my observations on. You may not like them, but they aren't different then any other game and they aren't scummy."

Okay, I don't doubt you. That doesn't hide from the fact that you tried to put up a shield to Werekill's criticism. While you may have been in the right, you over-compensated to seem suspicious on the opposite end, which is seemingly putting up a ploy of your game.



After how poorly I played my first game here, a game in which I only tried to survive as long as possible for personal benefit, I wanted to learn more mafia strategies. I did a bunch of research on the topic to see what good townies would do and what good mafioso would do, but then I realized that you could simply NOT follow the strategy and be just as fair off. So I do hear where you are coming from with those regards because I am inexperienced with forum mafia, which is a whole new ballgame compared to casual, party mafia. After hearing you talk about a meta, though, got me really curious to go back and read if there was one. I was all the more confused to find that the "meta is always changing when more people find out about it". Then I realized; there can't be a meta if everybody knows it and tries to avoid it. This was the silliest part about a mafia meta. Sure, meta's change over time as people adapt to it, and the same exact thing happens with the mafia meta. Reverse reverse reverse reverse psychology.

My point is that people aren't that predictable. I don't know how to play any game besides the one I always have been playing. Every time I play mafia, I try to play the same way regardless of my role. Whether that's dumb or not doesn't really matter, but my mindset for playing mafia does not change my posts, only my wincon. We are more complicated then a meta, which is why I refuse to acknowledge any mafia meta as valid if we can simply NOT go with it. Unless the meta is to "not do the meta," which I would respond with "touché", despite the previous statement being a paradox.



Rough. Passive aggressiveness just got me...



"Look at me fellow townsfolk, I follow the town meta!"

Sorry, just a bit angered at previous bit. My point is that it seems like you are merely going through the motions of town, if that makes any sense, and then you proceed to get angry when people raise concerns about your playing with precise reasons for literally everything you've done. Like I said, I didn't mind it at first, but when you started getting into the technicalities of the game to justify "that's just what town does", or scum reads as "i've seen a lot of mafia, and this is what mafia do", then you are telling everybody that you are keeping a very close watch on what you yourself are doing to act town. Whether you are or aren't, you seem suspicious by your hyper-awareness of the innerworkings of mafia and how people have acted in past games.

This is a really complex topic and I guess it all just boils down to gut(?), but that is where my head is at. Defending yourself isn't wrong, but following up with trying to scumread based on what has happened in the past, regardless of whether it holds for this game, makes it seem like you are doing your best to appear town when that may or may not be the case. Sometimes you have to go in with a blank slate.

Once again, somebody tell me if I'm going insane on this one.



Shiny hasn't been playing too great of a game, I'll agree, but I don't think that voting for them is the correct move at this point in the game. They have yet to act scummy in my book despite not really being into the game, and I can only see a player who's trying to get back into playing the game, after neglecting to look through it for a while. Give me time on that case.



Yeah but we aren't looking at different games. We're looking at this game only. Base your thoughts on past games all you want, but you're trying to analyze 13 poker faces from behind screens, and you can't exactly dictate actions based on past results. It's a good place to start, sure, but nothing is set in stone, and we can't predict the future.
There’s a lot here and honestly I don’t really have a specific thing to say, but I’ll say this.

First off I never really said I was town or acting like I was defend my “townhood”. I defended myself that’s all there is too it. I’m not gonna defend my town honor day one because that’s not even a thing them. Anyone can be anything day one, there’s no point to proving it when it’s near impossible day one.

My words in debates might not be the best, I hear it all the time in fact. But my actions and behavior don’t change, this has already been vouched for by multiple thread nemebers.

At the end of the day, my debate with werekill gave me a lot of info on everyone else while also making me lean more in the gut direction that it was likely a townie v townie. Especially with their half claim, which I think I could already bet their character based on their thoughts.

I’m not saying you have to agree to me and I’m not gonna push people thoughts into me. Think what you want, we will know eventually anyway what’s truth and what’s fiction.

As for meta talk, there’s plenty of people that know the usual meta, that doesn’t mean people won’t make the same mistakes though. It’s more of a pillar to lean on for information and analysis then concrete evidence.

I will see ther are definitely signs of someone being scum based on actions. That happens nearly all the time. Again though people always are sort of split on what counts as a scummy behavioral and what doesn’t. It’s more in the way of the beholder but is another good standing to use with your own skills to determine the truth.

One other thing I’ll say. I’m not gonna hold you to anything or be upset if your wrong, but do note if shiny flips scum your actions may not be as well received by everyone. Personally I’ll still have to see more to make a decision on you if that happens; but that can’t be said for all.

Regards my opinion that shiny is the best target today is still the same. Just wanted to put thoughts out here as that was a long walk to read
 

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Okay that was too much to read but here are some of my thoughts...

I'm really sketch of Shiny, Joja, and Maven who seem to have barely said anything throughout the game. I guess i'm not one to talk much given my only contributions were yesterday but these 3 in particular haven't done much of anything. Inactives don't give me good vibes.

Doop pushing on the fake claim makes me weary of him but likewise, Were's tactic was pretty unorthodox and it's asinine to think he and Golden are Mafio's voting for the same people early in the phase.

Golden saying he'd vote himself comes off as odd but then again he did do that before. Although I guess this is null given he's since changed his vote and unvoted. Dunno how to read this.

Utopian switching from being against Toaster's lynch to supporting it is also really sus IMO.

I'm also reading Z VS Were as T V T. Although as I said at the start of the phase, Were's fake claim was out there. Although on Day 1, there really isn't much to work with.

Don't have much to work with when it comes to praline, Toaster, Chu, giraffe, and Uni so null for them. For now at least.

So my vote goes to one of the 3 I mentioned at the top who were inactive throughout the phase. RNG as for who gets the vote...

Vote: Jojalole
 

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Well since I’m not too comfortable voting for anyone right now since I don’t wanna potentially vote to lynch a townie with a good ability on day 1 I’m gonna vote no lynch
 
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I read "infracted" as "infected" and went "wow, they really did upgrade the capabilities of admins recently"
Can't post vid until I get home, but the "it is company policy to give you the plague" quote from Mr. Burns fits here.
 

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Well since I’m not too comfortable voting for anyone right now since I don’t wanna potentially vote to lynch a townie with a good ability on day 1 I’m gonna vote no lynch
Let's say you had a gun to your head and had to pick two people that you could lynch today. (as in one person lynched, but a chosen pool of 2)

Who do you pick?
 

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Well since I’m not too comfortable voting for anyone right now since I don’t wanna potentially vote to lynch a townie with a good ability on day 1 I’m gonna vote no lynch
no lynch is a bad play nearly 100% of the time, especially when we have dead weight inactives.

speaking of, what's the policy on replacing out inactives for this game? It affects my lynch targets. I would much rather see the slots replaced than straight killed, but if they're not going to be replaced out then we may as well deal with one today.
 

Dooplissity

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actually on that note, if the lynch pool was magically condensed into [joja, maven, shiny], who would you all vote for and why?
 

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no lynch is a bad play nearly 100% of the time, especially when we have dead weight inactives.

speaking of, what's the policy on replacing out inactives for this game? It affects my lynch targets. I would much rather see the slots replaced than straight killed, but if they're not going to be replaced out then we may as well deal with one today.
I think the ladies said they’d replace them if they were inactive for a couple phases.
 

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actually on that note, if the lynch pool was magically condensed into [joja, maven, shiny], who would you all vote for and why?
if I was voting out of those three, shiny for sure. he hasn't contributed anything other than "trustworthy" or "can't trust" and he literally used the defense "haven't i been inactive and town before?"

but I'm feeling fairly confident that Shiny is... actually town. Would still rather vote him though because Maven is completely MIA and Joja hasn't been on since Wednesday, seems kind of underhanded to vote them imo
 

giraffelasergun

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actually on that note, if the lynch pool was magically condensed into [joja, maven, shiny], who would you all vote for and why?
On one hand I think we could learn something from lynching shiny, but I really have no clue if maven or Joja will ever actually come around.
 
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If neither show up after the next Day phase, they'll probably be hostkilled.
 

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No but shish said he is ready to get replacements if need be.
*she

Anyway, yeah, we can look for replacements if need be, but we're not overly worried just yet. We'll probably see if they show up by the next day phase or so and decide from there.
 

Dooplissity

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I would lynch Shiny, without question. We're not going to get anywhere with him if he's being obstinate, whereas Maven/Joja can potentially be replaced out or might come back. Maven and Joja flips also don't give us anything to go on, whereas Shiny flip is a bit better in that regard, although still pretty sparse.

My lynch pool is still the people I mentioned earlier (UP, Golden, Unikorn) + Shiny.
 
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