MultiVersus General Discussion - Shut Down planned for May 30.

[GothicSlenderman]

Multiversus failing is actually a blessing in disguised because if the game succeeded or even rivaled Smash then Nintendo would've done what they did to PalWorld and patent the ring out system just to sue them to ensure their monopoly of the genre.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Multiversus failing is actually a blessing in disguised because if the game succeeded or even rivaled Smash then Nintendo would've done what they did to PalWorld and patent the ring out system just to sue them to ensure their monopoly of the genre.

Wasn't the mechanic that they sued Palworld for already patented?

I'm not saying it's justified being able to patent a video game mechanic, because it absolutely isn't, but I don't think it'd be as easy for them to make a case for Multiversus or go after it since as far as I'm aware, they already had one for the mechanic from Pokemon that they were supposedly mad about for a long time. If they don't have a patent of any mechanics in Smash, they'd have to go out of their way to get one now, which itself would make for a much weaker case, and that's not to mention how Multiversus is also associated with a much bigger and more powerful company like Warner Bros. than Palworld is.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Smash has a REALLY uneasy relationship to other platform fighters, but I don't think Nintendo have as active a stake in killing the platfighter genre as you think (or hell, even the monster-collector genre, remember how devoted Nintendo was to marketing Yokai Watch?) - the only real evidence is the release date thing with Rivals 1 vs. Kirby Fighters and NASB vs. Sora, which well... is either a coincidence or "Nothin' personel kid" corporate ruthlessness. I think the reason Nintendo doesn't give platfighters attention is just because they're not proven to be a popular genre, it's a bizarre toxic cycle, as with corporations supporting anything. Developing a victim complex is going to harm the genre's reputation much more than any single game could do

That being said... for the millionth time: the thing hurting platform fighters the most is non-complacency, a refusal to accept that the genre is niche. One game with Mickey Mouse fighting Homer Simpson isn't going to propell platfighters to the world stage, if anything does, it will be existence as an underground genre, evolving and mutating over decades. Take it slow, and if it's for naught, we'll have gotten some badass games out if it.

 

[GothicSlenderman]

Wasn't the mechanic that they sued Palworld for already patented?

Unfortunately no. Nintendo filed the patent for "throwing a ball to catch a creature" a few months after palworld released

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And just recently they're attempting to file similar patents in the US.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Unfortunately no. Nintendo filed the patent for "throwing a ball to catch a creature" a few months after palworld released

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And just recently they're attempting to file similar patents in the US.

Okay, this is actually genuinely surprising to me. That makes the patent itself even more BS. My bad.

With that said, I do recall there being a potential case for Palworld stealing assets. I honestly don't know what the final or current verdict on that is or if it's been confirmed as true or false, but that might've been part of the reason Nintendo filed the patent and proceeded to sue Palworld over it. It could've just an easier way of getting to them for potential theft.

Even if none of that is the case, though, the fact remains that Palworld is an indie game made by a much smaller company with less revenue and less cultural influence than Warner Bros, who at least have partial ownership of Multiversus. Nintendo could still sued them at some point if they really wanted to, but they might not have had interest in trying to bother with another major entertainment corporation or consider it worth it.

 

[LimeTH]

Wasn’t Smash technically not the first platform fighter anyway? Would they even have a case?

 

[ivanlerma]

It could've just an easier way of getting to them for potential theft.

Or at least based on sources, to takedown a game so that they're next upcoming is shown with the same mechanics.

 

[Faso115]

Two Crows Rick is gonna be a reward for clearing the next arena event.

Remember: You don't necessarily have to play arena, normal matches count for progress. You can even AFK grind on rifts

 

[SneakyLink]

Two Crows Rick is gonna be a reward for clearing the next arena event.

Remember: You don't necessarily have to play arena, normal matches count for progress. You can even AFK grind on rifts

There’s also a new banner for the season on Steam and PlayStation.

 

[Donaldtoon]

We can all agree that Lumpy Space Princess should have been in the roster instead of Banana Guard

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

We can all agree that Lumpy Space Princess should have been in the roster instead of Banana Guard

Banana Guard only happened because of reused resources laying around that were available.

As much as people want to **** on Banana Guard, its non-existence would only mean one less character on the roster, not someone else in its stead outside of maybe Pickle Rick getting added much sooner.

 

[Donaldtoon]

Banana Guard only happened because of reused resources laying around that were available.

As much as people want to **** on Banana Guard, its non-existence would only mean one less character on the roster, not someone else in its stead outside of maybe Pickle Rick getting added much sooner.

I was thinking of that since Lumpy Space Princess it's more iconic and important for Adventure Time in comparasion

 

[Donaldtoon]

Also they should have put Catwoman over Nubia for a black female dc rep

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Banana Guard only happened because of reused resources laying around that were available.

As much as people want to **** on Banana Guard, its non-existence would only mean one less character on the roster, not someone else in its stead outside of maybe Pickle Rick getting added much sooner.

Honestly I'd be okay with that, I really ****in hate the stupid banana

 

[fogbadge]

We can all agree that Lumpy Space Princess should have been in the roster instead of Banana Guard

I'd rather her as well as

Also they should have put Catwoman over Nubia for a black female dc rep

the halle berry version? from that movie everyone hates?

 

[Megadoomer]

the halle berry version? from that movie everyone hates?

Catwoman's race isn't consistent between adaptations - her two most recent live action movie portrayals have been by Anne Hathaway and Zoe Kravitz. This was the case as far back as the 60's, where Catwoman was played by Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether, and Eartha Kitt. Still, between the Robert Pattinson Batman movie, the Lego Batman movie, the Harley Quinn show, and likely others that I'm not aware of, there's recent precedent for her being black outside of the comics. (though it could have run the risk of overdoing it with Batman characters; the Injustice games were hit with that complaint, particularly the first one)

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Also they should have put Catwoman over Nubia for a black female dc rep

Nubia was literally an alt skin like Uncle Shagsworthy that later got tweaked to be their own separate fighter. Again, using available resources.


As much as people don't want to hear this because they've spent so much time ******** about Banana Guard and Nubia specifically, but the only change that would happen if the two scapegoats weren't on the roster would be people finding new scapegoats to complain about. Pickle Rick being a plausible one and then next up would be Lola. And then going after characters like Beetlejuice or the Gremlins characters (who were all already targets for complaints but not to the degree as the current scapegoats).

Probably Reindog too for being an OC would make him the biggest target without the low hanging fruit.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Banana Guard is a problem for a lot of reasons, more than just being a lazy joke addition:

First, he's yet another example of not acting like the character in canon
Second, his moveset is so dreadfully boring. Whether or not you like the moveset design philosophy in Multiversus, one thing you can say about most characters there is that their movesets are definitely unique. Of course, Shaggy, Nubia, and Reindog also have this problem.
Third, their out-of-touch "how do you do fellow kids" attempts to make him a mascot of the game. Frequently getting skins, being heavily featured in marketing, getting a bunch of cosmetics referencing memes from over a decade ago... and the dreadfully forced line "You guys like me, right?" I have never seen a company sniff their own fart fumes like PFG did with Banana Guard's addition.
Fourth, as a joke pick he's not even particularly funny. In the universe of Adventure Time, he's basically John Call of Duty - a generic soldier. It's the equivalent of putting a Goomba on the roster, except a Goomba would actually be funny because Goombas don't really do anything in their own series. Wii Fit Trainer is a funny joke character. Hugh Neutron and Grandma Gertie are funny joke characters. Dan Hibiki is funny. Gon in Tekken 3? Hilarious! Banana Guard isn't.

 

[MBRedboy31]

I think Banana Guard is a cute character design and I think he‘s fun to play as, even if his moveset is fairly basic, so I like that he’s here.
Although I guess you could say that this means I think he’s a failure as well, since I value him as “cute” rather than as “funny,” thus missing the intended impact even despite the fact that I like him regardless.

 

[LimeTH]

The thing that made the Banana Guards funny in AT was how they were both stupid and apathetic. They're like a whole army of Beavis and Buttheads. The high energy BG in MVS feels out of character because BGs are supposed to be slow and dopey, not shrill and obnoxious.

 

[SneakyLink]

Safe to say PFG is not going to be around for much longer as their website is gone.

 

[fogbadge]

Safe to say PFG is not going to be around for much longer as their website is gone.

ouch.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Safe to say PFG is not going to be around for much longer as their website is gone.

So if there's any even remote chance whatsoever for Multiversus to return and recover, it won't be under their banner or development any more.

I'm not sure if this could be a good thing or not.

 

[SneakyLink]

Clarification: the site is being moved to a new service.

I’m not entirely sure what this means for the company.

 

[LimeTH]

Clarification: the site is being moved to a new service.

I’m not entirely sure what this means for the company.

The lesson is never get bought out by a large corporation.

 

[SneakyLink]

Apparently Brian Gremlin on Twitter is posting how Warner cut PFG short due to platform fighters not doing well under the free to play model.

Now the rumor mill suggests WB doing a Hero Shooter ala Marvel Rivals.

So if they do one, would it be DC only or all WB? And how would the rosters work for both?

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Apparently Brian Gremlin on Twitter is posting how Warner cut PFG short due to platform fighters not doing well under the free to play model.

Now the rumor mill suggests WB doing a Hero Shooter ala Marvel Rivals.

So if they do one, would it be DC only or all WB? And how would the rosters work for both?

"Let's do the thing that everyone else is doing! Surely that will work out well."

 

[LimeTH]

Apparently Brian Gremlin on Twitter is posting how Warner cut PFG short due to platform fighters not doing well under the free to play model.

Now the rumor mill suggests WB doing a Hero Shooter ala Marvel Rivals.

So if they do one, would it be DC only or all WB? And how would the rosters work for both?

It’s going to be all DC. This is so obviously in response to Marvel Rivals.

 

[MBRedboy31]

"Let's do the thing that everyone else is doing! Surely that will work out well."

Not to mention the fact that they have to actually make the game, so it’ll arrive several years late while Marvel Rivals continues to get more content in the meanwhile…

 

[ivanlerma]

Not to mention the fact that they have to actually make the game, so it’ll arrive several years late while Marvel Rivals continues to get more content in the meanwhile…

and people will call it a rip-off while the majority won't care because "It's an iconic brand" so whatever.

God, hearing that makes me annoyed.

 

[SneakyLink]

Turns out the rumor was fake.

 

[LimeTH]

Turns out the rumor was fake.

Where'd you hear that?

 

[SneakyLink]

Where'd you hear that?

Brian Gremlin quoted the rumor with a Spongebob video of Mr Krabs saying “I like ta mess with ya!”, implying the rumor was nothing more than “jumping on the bandwagon” so to speak.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'd rather they just...fix the game as is.

There's a lot they could've done to at least try and help the game recover at this point instead of just doing a gradual shut down. The game as a whole wasn't handled that well, but shutting the game down this early wasn't any less of a poorly made decision, imo.

 

[darkvortex]

James Gunn confirmed today a DC Rivals is something they're interested in exploring, but implied it wasn't currently in development, so we can probably dismiss that roumor

 

[ivanlerma]

James Gunn confirmed today a DC Rivals is something they're interested in exploring, but implied it wasn't currently in development, so we can probably dismiss that roumor

please don't do it it just feels like they would discard this game over a marvel rivals copy just for another rival gig.

 

[LimeTH]

Not like DC copying every good idea Marvel has in a half assed manner is a new thing.

 

[ivanlerma]

Not like DC copying every good idea Marvel has in a half assed manner is a new thing.

so, this one feels more distasteful.

 

[SneakyLink]

Second Arena event is live. Get to the end of the prize track to get the Rick and Two Crows skin.

Yes the skin features Rick and Two Crows.

 

[Schnee117]

Jason Schreier (@jasonschreier.bsky.social)

BREAKING: Warner Bros. Games is shutting down Monolith Productions, Player First Games, and WB San Diego, sources tell Bloomberg News. Warner Bros. is also canceling the Wonder Woman game.

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PFG are getting shut down along with other studios at WB Games