MultiVersus General Discussion - Shut Down planned for May 30.

[Guynamednelson]

Roster was mixed

I think the whole "PSASBR has an irredeemable dog**** roster" is focusing strictly on third-parties. From Sony's first-party lineup, the only major omissions barring things that debuted after 2012 are a Team ICO game and Gran Tursimo, the latter of which makes sense for a series that could only get the Brawl Animal Crossing treatment at best.

 

[Opossum]

I think the whole "PSASBR has an irredeemable dog**** roster" is focusing strictly on third-parties. From Sony's first-party lineup, the only major omissions barring things that debuted after 2012 are a Team ICO game and Gran Tursimo, the latter of which makes sense for a series that could only get the Brawl Animal Crossing treatment at best.

Never forget how Dart got absolutely screwed over.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Never forget how Dart got absolutely screwed over.

Ah, but you know they just had to have Evil Cole! Too important and iconic to include over some JRPG protagonist

 

[Opossum]

Ah, but you know they just had to have Evil Cole! Too important and iconic to include over some JRPG protagonist

As funny and dumb as Evil Cole was, apparently it came down to having both Coles or having neither, so in that situation I'm glad they went with both, if only because not having Cole at all would've been worse imo.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

As funny and dumb as Evil Cole was, apparently it came down to having both Coles or having neither, so in that situation I'm glad they went with both, if only because not having Cole at all would've been worse imo.

IIRC they wanted to give him a morality system and you'd have an evolving moveset through the match. I get why they did it but I wish they'd have gone with the original idea.

PSASBR deserves a second shot. The game itself isn't a bad idea, it was just executed poorly. And it really is just the Super Gimmick that ruins it. Well, that and having a middling roster, but they can only do so much.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

I genuinely don't think PSABR roster is that bad, like sure I wish they got more third party support like Crash, Lara Croft, Cloud and stuff, but in term of first party characters, I think they did a good job of representing the Sony franchise of the ps3 era. People used to really not like Big Daddy and Isaac Clarke, and sure they're not huge Sony icon in the same way that Crash or Lara Croft was, but Bioshock and Dead space were really huge back in the ps3/360 generation. It's not a perfect roster by any mean, but I think it's a fun one.

I think what really killed the game too was the balancing. The guys who did PSABR balancing must have loved hack n slash because goddamn Kratos and Raiden just destroyed everything, and other characters like Spike and Sir Daniel were pretty much unplayable. The game was barely even more balanced than Brawl, which is saying a lot. Even taking the weird super system aside, the game had no chance to have any serious competitive scene with that balancing.

 

[Donaldtoon]

Apparently Banana Guard replaced Poison Ivy https://x.com/GemsAndMayhem/status/1885472123407237238

 

[SneakyLink]

Papagenos is doing a livestream on the game.

I’m not sure if he’ll confirm everything mentioned today, but he did mention that Gumball was the mystery Cartoon Network character that he had in previous videos.

 

[Opossum]

Apparently Banana Guard replaced Poison Ivy https://x.com/GemsAndMayhem/status/1885472123407237238

The person is also dodging questions about where this information actually came from. I'd hold off until someone with actual info corroborates it.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

I don't really believe that Banana guard literally took the spot of Poison Ivy. I mean, if that was the case that would mean that Season 1 relaunch was planned to have 2 DC characters (because Joker was there) which is kind of weird. My guess is that Poison Ivy was put on hold for some reason (maybe to not have too much DC characters since Aquaman, Raven and Joker where higher priority), and at the same time Banana guard was push to have a "easy to pick up" character at relaunch, and the leaker just correlate both events even if they're not directly related.

 

[Schnee117]

I don't really believe that Banana guard literally took the spot of Poison Ivy. I mean, if that was the case that would mean that Season 1 relaunch was planned to have 2 DC characters (because Joker was there) which is kind of weird.

Not even just two DC characters but specifically two Batman villains

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Ok… like I said, there’s a lot, some of which is coming from sources beyond my comprehension. I’ll start with something simple. These characters were playable in pre release builds:
Daffy Duck
Emmett Brickowski
Ruby Rose
Static Shock
Wicked Witch of the West (as the resident Oz fan of Smashboards, this stinks)

I've got a mild update on this. I asked PapaGenos on his livestream about this, and according to him, pre-release builds distributed to testers immediately before relaunch was a thing; they would contain a set amount of unreleased fighters, so this is more likely, but not a guarantee. I specifically mentioned Daffy, Ruby, and Emmet, and he had not heard those three specifically.

 

[LimeTH]

I've got a mild update on this. I asked PapaGenos on his livestream about this, and according to him, pre-release builds distributed to testers immediately before relaunch was a thing; they would contain a set amount of unreleased fighters, so this is more likely, but not a guarantee. I specifically mentioned Daffy, Ruby, and Emmet, and he had not heard those three specifically.

Did he say who he had heard of, if anyone?

 

[ivanlerma]

Apparently Banana Guard replaced Poison Ivy https://x.com/GemsAndMayhem/status/1885472123407237238

Well whaddaya know, Ivy was gone the whole time.

 

[Kirbeh]

fine...i'll just see another person's roster instead.

What?

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Did he say who he had heard of, if anyone?

He basically just mentioned that Nubia was in some peoples' prior to launch and implied other characters already ingame were playable prior.

I also am speaking with GemsandMayhem, and yeah, it turns out Tony was a piece of work the whole time. This tracks with the aforementioned thread; apparently, he's more interested in his own image and fame than being a good boss. Allegedly, the plan was for three characters per season, and he pushed for Nubia and Banana as fighters to be added in full.

 

[StormC]

2v2 was a mistake imo, if Smash was 2v2 at all times it would be way less enjoyable. Oh well, another one bites the dust.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

2v2 was a mistake imo, if Smash was 2v2 at all times it would be way less enjoyable. Oh well, another one bites the dust.

I get the criticism, but Multiversus wasn't 2v2 at all times.

1v1 was treated as a standard game mode.

 

[Mamboo07]

This game went from a fun hype to one of the biggest fumbles ever made

Launch bought excitement with barely any updates; players left

Beta got abandoned with a full year of silence, Relaunch was worse

Multiversus had everything to succeed and still managed to flop. Massive, missed opportunity. What a waste.

 

[fogbadge]

Never forget how Dart got absolutely screwed over.

who is dart?

 

[Dinoman96]

I think the whole "PSASBR has an irredeemable dog**** roster" is focusing strictly on third-parties. From Sony's first-party lineup, the only major omissions barring things that debuted after 2012 are a Team ICO game and Gran Tursimo, the latter of which makes sense for a series that could only get the Brawl Animal Crossing treatment at best.

I genuinely don't think PSABR roster is that bad, like sure I wish they got more third party support like Crash, Lara Croft, Cloud and stuff, but in term of first party characters, I think they did a good job of representing the Sony franchise of the ps3 era. People used to really not like Big Daddy and Isaac Clarke, and sure they're not huge Sony icon in the same way that Crash or Lara Croft was, but Bioshock and Dead space were really huge back in the ps3/360 generation. It's not a perfect roster by any mean, but I think it's a fun one.

I think what really killed the game too was the balancing. The guys who did PSABR balancing must have loved hack n slash because goddamn Kratos and Raiden just destroyed everything, and other characters like Spike and Sir Daniel were pretty much unplayable. The game was barely even more balanced than Brawl, which is saying a lot. Even taking the weird super system aside, the game had no chance to have any serious competitive scene with that balancing.

Ultimately it just kinda shows that in a way, the real "PlayStation All-Stars" were really the third parties: Cloud, Crash, Sora, Sephiroth, Lara Croft, Snake, etc.

(and then most of those went on to go star in the real Smash Bros. lol)

 

[Megadoomer]

who is dart?

The main character of Legend of Dragoon, an RPG made by Sony in the PS1 days. (Seemingly to capitalize on the success of Final Fantasy 7) He was planned for PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale (concept art was found, at least) along with Abe from the Oddworld games and a stage that combined Journey and Gravity Rush, but development was stopped before they could be added.

 

[Mamboo07]

Ok… like I said, there’s a lot, some of which is coming from sources beyond my comprehension. I’ll start with something simple. These characters were playable in pre release builds:
Daffy Duck
Emmett Brickowski
Ruby Rose
Static Shock
Wicked Witch of the West (as the resident Oz fan of Smashboards, this stinks)

Even more characters:

Spoiler

Found this while on Twitter

 

[fogbadge]

The main character of Legend of Dragoon, an RPG made by Sony in the PS1 days. (Seemingly to capitalize on the success of Final Fantasy 7) He was planned for PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale (concept art was found, at least) along with Abe from the Oddworld games and a stage that combined Journey and Gravity Rush, but development was stopped before they could be added.

sounds curious. thanks

 

[Opossum]

Even more characters:

Spoiler

View attachment 398522
Found this while on Twitter

Do you have a link? You say you found it on Twitter but you didn't post a link.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

I know this is not happening in a million years, but I'd like a buy to play "Multiversus director's cut" which would include all Multiversus content + characters and stages that were beig worked on or already completed and a few bonuses. The newcomers could look like this:

Daffy Duck
Scooby Doo
Wicked witch of the West
Emmett (Lego)
Scorpion (Mortal komat)
Johnny Bravo
Fred Flintstones
Mordecai
Ben 10
Gandalf
Pennywise
Godzilla
Thundercats

You could also add the already worked stages like Looney Tunes mesa, Cat concerto, Pinky and the brain lab and Camp crystal lake. By doing this, you could released the game with a fairly fair amount of contents, while still keeping budget low because this content is apparently either done or near completion.

Again, I know it's not happening in a million years, but it's truly a shame to know that a lot of those characters were being worked on and will never see the light of day.

 

[SneakyLink]

I also am speaking with GemsandMayhem, and yeah, it turns out Tony was a piece of work the whole time. This tracks with the aforementioned thread; apparently, he's more interested in his own image and fame than being a good boss. Allegedly, the plan was for three characters per season, and he pushed for Nubia and Banana as fighters to be added in full.

It wasn’t just Tony who was a piece of work.

 

[Faso115]

It wasn’t just Tony who was a piece of work.

That person also says that character list posted above is most likely fake

 

[SneakyLink]

1. AJAX posted on Twitter that the patch notes this time will be big. Which makes sense since we are in the end.

2. Someone on Reddit compiled a bunch of stories from devs (all anonymous, some from PFG, others being outsiders) mentioning that PFG was not the best place to work, to the point where they mention Warner bought PFG to get Tony out, mentioning that they (Warner) liked the concept of Multiversus, just not the management behind the game.

 

[Faso115]

1. AJAX posted on Twitter that the patch notes this time will be big. Which makes sense since we are in the end.

2. Someone on Reddit compiled a bunch of stories from devs (all anonymous, some from PFG, others being outsiders) mentioning that PFG was not the best place to work, to the point where they mention Warner bought PFG to get Tony out, mentioning that they (Warner) liked the concept of Multiversus, just not the management behind the game.

Honestly the fact that WB in this case WAS THE GOOD GUY is the wildest part of the story.

It really was a problem with leadership and tbh, i always had a feeling the project was too ambitious for a newly established dev studio. Its like you get with friend and want to do a GTA game as your first project.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

That person also says that character list posted above is most likely fake View attachment 398525

Damn, was just about to point this out

Regardless? If they have anyone done and ready to go, there is no excuse not to release them this season.

Please, put everything unfinished into the files it would be so funny to let fans make it

 

[Mamboo07]

Do you have a link? You say you found it on Twitter but you didn't post a link.

That list is most likely fake I guess

 

[Faso115]

This info about finished characters seems fishy to me cause i really struggle to think why they would hold it off for so long. Probably arrogance, that usually comes up a lot in failed projects, but no way, NO WAY, Tony would suggest Banana Guard be developed over Poison Ivy.

Banana Guard feels like a rush-job made to have an extra character on launch, not like a character meant to replace another. The feeling i always got that the models and animations took time and since they managed to squeeze two characters into season 1, they wanted a third just in case.

If Ivy was replaced, the only reason i can buy the claim is IF her moveset and animations were too complicated to make it for launch and they cobbled up BG as a compromise. The launch characters were quite simple ngl

 

[CapitaineCrash]

1. AJAX posted on Twitter that the patch notes this time will be big. Which makes sense since we are in the end.

2. Someone on Reddit compiled a bunch of stories from devs (all anonymous, some from PFG, others being outsiders) mentioning that PFG was not the best place to work, to the point where they mention Warner bought PFG to get Tony out, mentioning that they (Warner) liked the concept of Multiversus, just not the management behind the game.

Those report truly suck for the team. My guess is that Tony wanted to please too much the community, but by doing so you just lose focus on what's truly important and he probably changed his mind a lot on stuff.

Again, just make me wish that this game was just buy to play instead of them trying to be cool with live service stuff.

 

[Mamboo07]

2. Someone on Reddit compiled a bunch of stories from devs (all anonymous, some from PFG, others being outsiders) mentioning that PFG was not the best place to work, to the point where they mention Warner bought PFG to get Tony out, mentioning that they (Warner) liked the concept of Multiversus, just not the management behind the game.

This game was a mess in the first place

 

[Faso115]

Is it too late to point out they never credited Olivia Olson as Marceline?

A sign we ignored but...interesting nonetheless...

Hell, weren't they affected by the VA strike? Could explain why some characters never saw the light of day, they never got the VO done

 

[PeridotGX]

My biggest question is why they decided to pivot to Lola relatively recently. I mean, in a vacumn Banana Guard and Nubia are worse but they both have decent enough alibis. Lola feels really random - especially when there's a character from her series that was a top request and was in the works at one point. It feels like if Sakurai rushed to add one last character and it was Mallow.

Really the only idea that makes sense is that Tony was biased (and honestly fair enough (on this one specific situation I'm not justifying everything else people are saying about him))

 

[KingofPhantoms]

1. AJAX posted on Twitter that the patch notes this time will be big. Which makes sense since we are in the end.

2. Someone on Reddit compiled a bunch of stories from devs (all anonymous, some from PFG, others being outsiders) mentioning that PFG was not the best place to work, to the point where they mention Warner bought PFG to get Tony out, mentioning that they (Warner) liked the concept of Multiversus, just not the management behind the game.

Well...May 30th is still quite a while away before the game's online services shut down, relatively at least.

Knowing this makes me think it actually isn't that unlikely for Multiversus to be saved or salvaged, but I still think it just might be too little too late. The game's been poorly handled for long enough that there might not be many supporters or players left who'd want to rally in support for the game to remain up and be improved or even hear about any of this news in the first place.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

My biggest question is why they decided to pivot to Lola relatively recently. I mean, in a vacumn Banana Guard and Nubia are worse but they both have decent enough alibis. Lola feels really random - especially when there's a character from her series that was a top request and was in the works at one point. It feels like if Sakurai rushed to add one last character and it was Mallow.

Really the only idea that makes sense is that Tony was biased (and honestly fair enough (on this one specific situation I'm not justifying everything else people are saying about him))

I think statistically, most free to play games sell more female characters skins than male, so my only guess is they push for Lola to have a somewhat decently popular female characters that might sell skins, and at the same time I'm guessing she might reuses assets from both Bugs and Lebron so she might have been easy to develop.

 

[Faso115]

An statement from Tony himself

Worth reading in my opinion. It even has info on Banana Guard of all things