Most balanced fighters?

[MVPaintballer]

SC is not balanced, the developers even admitted it!

 

[K Balls]

i think ssb64 was balanced because every character had potential. And I also think MBAC is ok balanced cause every character can combo. Just because a game is balanced, doesn't mean that it isn't broken, just to let everyone know.

 

[Nephiros]

SSB64 isn't balanced. Just look at Kirby and Pikachu, compared to uh, say, Link or Samus.

 

[OneWingSephiroth]

You know UnSafe, I coherently agree with you on your statements about CvsS2, although guys like Blanka, Bison, Sakura, Sagat, Cammy etc can run house in CvsS2, you are infact more likely to see middle-tier to lower tier characters being played at the highest lvls in CvsS2 then a game like 3S. Within CvsS2 I've seen non-top tier characters placing within the Top 8 for the past hmm...wow, since CvsS2 has been on it's run with competetion. Even with the RCing BS that I see, they still have non-top tiers placing within the top 8.

So I've changed my mind, I agree with you UnSafe, on this part.

As for TekkenTag...man, you and I have alot in mind!

Let me say this about TekkenTag again, If your Not Korean, or you ain't Ryan Hart, who else can you honestly name that has Mishima's at these lvls from Tag? My answer is, none, there are many you can name who are solid, but not up to these peeps lvls. That being said, Mishima's are ridiculously powerful when played at the Highest of Lvls, the only top tier's within Tag that are super good but easy to play are the Ogres, even the Chang's which are tops require a great deal of effort since their biggest potential comes off of ch's

Alot of the characters within Tag are solid, to name a few, Ling, Jack's, Bruce, Lei, Paul, Nina, Yoshi, etc, etc. The list can go on, the vast majority can be played and utilized. You'll probably still get a Mishima or Ogre placing within the Top3, however the mere fact that the top 10 will be a variety of characters aside from just a top tier fest.

For Tekken, if your going balance factor to me it's like this...

Tekken 5 : DR (not going to include 5.0 or 5.1 in the listings)
TekkenTag
Tekken 3 - This game imo becomes balanced because so many characters are ridiculous powerful, to name some of the playable characters at the highest lvls...Ogre, Jin, Heihachi, Ling, Law, Paul, Lei etc, etc.

The last three would be Tekken4, Tekken2 and Tekken1 because in T1 Armor King was unstoppable, in T2 Bruce reigned supreme and T4 Jin held it with an Iron Fist.

As I've stated before, Soul Calibur 2 was completely horrid, with SC3 being even worse, the funniest thing that happened to me here at the smashboards was back during the height of SC2, you had idiots on here arguing against me telling me how "balanced" SC2 was...lmao, anyhow.

Actually that could also go with SSBM as well when a few years back on here in smashboards yet again(at the old boards), I was telling peeps on here how unbalanced SSBM was (I stated along the lines a few years back saying that Fox and Falco will dominate the scene once people started to be able to utilize their BS effeciently), only to get a flaming by everyone and their mother signifying how SSBM was infact balanced, and that I was a scrub/idiot to assume so...I guess now, it's good to see that what goes around, comes around.

There imo, other Street Fighter games that are quite balanced, just not HF and ST balanced, which are SuperSFII, and Champion Edition, yes even in CE although Bison was ridiculous and Guile reigned #1, alot of the characters where still playable, even during the golden era days or height of this games competetion, not to mention even today if you go to srk.com and watch videos of the S.Korean's who still play this game competetively, you'll see a large variety of characters placing within the Top 8 in CE.

So much variety within a fighting game with someone like M. Bison, who can kill you with one connected combo.

 

[rockman2k1]

Look, from what I see of CvS2 I can see way more teams with a low tier character than I ever could in say Marvel. Is Roll cancel and CC really gay and make it unbalanced? Yup. But you know what is also gay and unbalanced? Yun fest 3S, Space Animal fest Smash, and GG loops. If anything you are more likely to see a low tier (even with other top tiers on a team) in CvS2 than you are going to see... say Alex in a top 8 results for a major 3S tournament. That's why I say CvS2 over those other games.

So now you wanna start comparing CvS2 to Marvel2 in balance? lol

If anything, you're still going to see top teirs and RC's and CC's just as much in CvS2 compared to Yun's in 3S and Santrax's in Marvel 2. Sure you mention Combofiend and Buktooth, yet, you see what character Combofiend plays in Marvel? ****ing Iron Man. That is a lot harder to play than his tournament characters in CvS2. Mostly everone else will still use Bison/Sak/Blanka/Sagat in CvS2.

To me Slash Ky/Sol was ******** and the game was even less fun than Reload. Plus the unnecessary need to make Robo Ky completely suck in all areas in Slash baffles me. Overall GG is probably more balanced than most of those games I listed ahead of it but they stupid balancing decisions Arc does makes my head hurt.

You're opinion how how 'fun' a game is has no bearing here. The fact that low teirs still have so much a better chance at doing good than CvS2, Marvel2, 3S, KoF, etc. etc. Making it a 'better balanced' game.

3S should not be higher, in fact I was thinking of making it lower as well as smash. Those games now brought to the pinicle of competition have had their imbalance pretty obvious to see for a while now. At least Smash is Marth/Fox/Falco/Peach/Shiek fests, where as 3S has become a completey Yun/Chun/Ken fest.

You know why, cause those games have been played to death. And there really is no way 3S' balance is the same or 'around' Smash. Smash comes down to Space animals. 2 characters outta what? 30? But again, I see lower teirs still doing really well and even winning tournaments than compared to Smash.

ST should not be lower because you can win everyone (so long as Akuma is not involved). The only impractically hard characters are Cammy and Blanka. It's only beat by HF where everyone stands a chance.

ST is not as balanced as Slash and/or Accent Core. No matter *HOW* much you don't 'like' those games. You got like 2 'worthless' characters in slash outta 20 or so, you got like 3 outta 16 in ST.

Tag should not be lower because Mishimas mastered are so rare that you are literally playing theory just thinking about them. Mishimas are monsters when mastered but you can make so many mistakes that it leaves room for everyone elses monstrosities to come in.

But the fact that godly Mishima's can exist means nothing. Since any other character vs a Mishima on that level pretty much means they have no chance in hell.

SC2 and SC3 both completely sucked balls. The only reason why people even remotely think well of SC2 is because SC3 SUCKED THAT BAD. SC2 was a big fat glitch/turtle fest. SC3 did the unthinkable and managed to surpass SC2 in big fat glitchy fest. I would honestly refrain from listing either of them and just put up Soul Calibur 1 but no one plays that anymore.

Again, just cause you don't like the game (SC2) does'nt mean it was'nt balanced. Besides Xianghua, and Sophi, the teir list was always either changing, or was completly different among regions, except for Yunsung, Raphel, and Talim. Nightmare, Yoshi, Ivy, Taki, Cassandra, Mitsurugi, were all canidates for being top teirs as well depending on who you talked to.

 

[doom dragon 105]

Naruto clash of ninja 2 is pretty balanced exept for black saskue and any1 who says soul calibar is balanced is an idiot u haave range and it's **** near impossible to get near u

 

[Team Giza]

3S should not be higher, in fact I was thinking of making it lower as well as smash. Those games now brought to the pinicle of competition have had their imbalance pretty obvious to see for a while now. At least Smash is Marth/Fox/Falco/Peach/Shiek fests, where as 3S has become a completey Yun/Chun/Ken fest. .

I once thought this, because I was watching US players. When I started looking into the game more, and at Japan, you will see a lot of people winning with characters like Hugo, Alex, Ibuki, Oro and Twelve. 3S has not become Yun/Chun/Ken fests in america either, you completely forgot about Makoto and Dudley who are used pretty much in the same ratio as the others. Makoto is someone often forgotten about because of her limbo tier status, Top in Japan and High in America even though we play the exact same version of the game. Makoto stands high in tournaments, as does Dudley. Akuma also gets quite a bit of action too but well ignore him.

Marth/Fox/Falco/Peach/Shiek fests is like Yun/Chun/Ken/Matoko/Dudley fests. Seems pretty much the same to me.

Look at the Japanese playing MvC2 too... you will see some low tiers in good use.

 

[OneWingSephiroth]

You know why, cause those games have been played to death. And there really is no way 3S' balance is the same or 'around' Smash. Smash comes down to Space animals. 2 characters outta what? 30? But again, I see lower teirs still doing really well and even winning tournaments than compared to Smash.

Your going to have to show me a tournament with lower tiers winning in 3S tournaments consistently, because seriously, I have yet to see this happen. The only times I've ever seen Lower Tier's placing high is during SBO and that's because they have 3 vs 3, Single Elimination, and alot of things can happen within that one single set.

There is no way, a lone Q, Necro, Hugo player will be making it to Top 8 at Japan unless it's 3 vs 3 like how SBO sets it up to be.

Let's face it man, 3S isn't as balanced as everyone claims it to be. The past Evolution tournaments have proven this already with the Top 8 placings. Makoto placing well does not come as a surprise for me, because why wouldn't she when she has the potential to achieve 100% Stun on everysingle character within the game.

Aside from that, most of the other characters have been slowly fading away off the placings as 3S is being played for the past years. Just look at a character like Urien from the early 2000's, back then, multiple Urien's where doing great, now a days, he's fading out.

Dudley is solid only, he'd be great if he had a footsie game, however that's the reason why the Top Tier characters especially characters like Chunli>>>Dudley. Also, the only really consistent Dudley player that I've ever witnessed was Kokujin.

For as long as CvsS2 has been played within Japan and in the US, I actually see players utilizing non-top tier characters and placing well with them. To see guys like Daigo beasting people with N-Groove Ryu, Ken and Gouki is phenomanl, or just that past Evo East with Sanford laying the rushdown with Ken and he's beasting guys who are using A-Groove Bison etc, only narrowlingly missing the Finals to face Justin.

I used to think CvsS2 was so broken, however the more I look at 3S and compare the two, CvsS2 comes out as the winner, they have more multiple of successful characters ranking high then when compared to 3S.

But the fact that godly Mishima's can exist means nothing. Since any other character vs a Mishima on that level pretty much means they have no chance in hell.

Even at TZ, you got people telling you that TekkenTag's Tier Listing is still solid, even with the dominance of Mishima's, because almost No One can use Mishima's at these lvls. Why is it that we didn't see any Top Players for Devil Jin during Tekken 5 5.0, that's because Nobody can use them like guys like Qudans, and Devil Jin would have been #2 within 5.0's Tier Listing, however nobody can utilize his potential.

I will admit, Mishima's where wrecking houses period, however to meet a Mishima at this lvl is extremely rare, I have gone to multiple TekkenTag tournaments during it's height, there where decent Mishima players.

In the US you had solid Mishima players like JinKid, but not Ridiculous Mishima players like Ryan Hart, Qudans, Park Yong, or better yet, Jang Iksu, now these guys truly play Mishima's at their potentials.

But just look at the Evolution results, many of the top placing teams don't have all Mishima's, look at Slips team of Eddy/Julia, although Unconkable played Devil, he was using Armor King as his partner. Unconkable made it to Finals with a character who is not even top tier. Slips was in top 5 with a non-top tier team.

Alot of the characters within Tag where playable at the high lvls. You'll see more variety within the top placings of TekkenTag then you will for any other Tekken game aside from probably Tekken5 : DR, and maybe Tekken3, although top 2 where usually an Ogre or Jin winner, the rest where a mass variety as well, since multiple characters within T3 where very strong.

Again, just cause you don't like the game (SC2) does'nt mean it was'nt balanced. Besides Xianghua, and Sophi, the teir list was always either changing, or was completly different among regions, except for Yunsung, Raphel, and Talim. Nightmare, Yoshi, Ivy, Taki, Cassandra, Mitsurugi, were all canidates for being top teirs as well depending on who you talked to.

SC2 and SC3 where plagued with character imbalance issues. Xianghua's 8-Way running BS within SC2 which btw, is vastly superior to her SC3 versions counterpart, Sophitia was nowhere near Top Tier in SC2 only until SC3 then did she become the Goddess she was.

Talim was a beast in SC2, she was very strong within that game, however in SC3 they gave her useless attacks and strings that just keep on continuing, completely nerfing her. Mitsu was a wrecking house in SC2 because KB2 set him up for some of the biggest garbage around, on hit it guaranteed him bonus damage, on block, it guaranteed him a pressure attack.

SC2 was not balanced at all, guys like Raphael, and especially Yunsung got almost nowhere, Maxi wasn't worth anything as well. However, as bad as SC2 is, SC3 was infinitely worse...so sad.

Ps: didn't bother to go over and read everything so there might be alot of grammar and sentence errors, lol.

 

[Linari Sabre]

doom drag you're right naruto clash 2 is the most balanced fighter there is
I play a mean Neji and my bro plays a mean dark sasuke, but I beat him anyways
You really have to focus on mindgames!!

 

[TaikaAli]

Someone mentioned that SC III (if im not horribly wrong) has few banned characters.
Which ones are banned. I play this game like 2 matches per day with my friends, nothing serious so i cant really tell who is imba or not.

 

[Lixivium]

Samurai Showdown 2 is consider one of the most balanced games ever.

Are you kidding me? Ukyo was more broken than Marth and Shiek combined.

 

[Rx-]

This isn't a fighter, but Starcraft is one of the most balanced games I have ever seen. There are three races, and the debate over which is the best goes on like crazy amongst the top players of the game. I personally think ZERG is the best.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Soul Caliber is balanced.

Guilty Gear series is balanced.

Virtua Fighter 4 and 5 are balanced. Especially VF4:Evolution.

Tekken 5:DR is balanced.

Sterrt Fighter 2 Hyper Fighting is balanced.

That's basically it.

Edit: Forgot Garou.

Tekken Tag? wtf? I heard that Kazuya and Jin run wild in that game with Heihachi close behind. As well they should since it's THEIR F*CKING SERIES!!!!

 

[Killer Tree]

EDIT2: And soul calibur is a button mashing garbage game. At least 2 is. Same with tekken. And tekken players are *******s to boot. Come to think of it everyone who plays fighting games other then SSB Players are complete idiots who think they play the best "Type of Game".

And SSB players dont think they play the best "Type of Game"?

LOL

 

[_kSo_]

Soul Caliber is balanced.

false - kilik/ivy much?

Guilty Gear series is balanced.

indeed

Street Fighter 2 Hyper Fighting is balanced.

mm never played sf2: hf however i do know that super turbo and sfIII: 3rd strike are well balanced

 

[Dark Sonic]

I've heard the Narutimate Hero Series is pretty balanced. Rockman pretty much beats everybody with every character (though they did ban two characters from tournaments, but other than that everyone is pretty close.)

 

[_kSo_]

This isn't a fighter, but Starcraft is one of the most balanced games I have ever seen. There are three races, and the debate over which is the best goes on like crazy amongst the top players of the game. I personally think ZERG is the best.

I strongly agree. Blizzard has a knack for making awesome games that are balanced a lot of fun to play at a low level as well as a competitive level. In general i think most RTS games are well balanced

also IMO terran>>>all

 

[Emblem Lord]

ROFL!! Kilik? No fuxin way.

Ivy ok. Anyway, the first SC was the only one that didn't have broken glitches or tactics. Characters had better movesets and what not , but frame traps and such weren't as bad as the others.

 

[Peaches]

He speaks the truth. Seriously Kilik and Ivy? Ivy has some good stuff but she's never been broken. And we've already been over the fact that Third Strike isn't all taht balanced. It's decently balanced, but the top 4 have distinct advantage and some of the low tiers are definitely plagued with problems. Sean is practically unplayable. Sadly. . . I lost to a Sean player a while ago, but that's only cause he was a hell of a lot better than me.

Also, Tekken is not button mash material to whoever the uninformed person was that was calling essentially everyone who plays fighting games an idiot. Smash is more button mash friendly than Tekken.

 

[theONEjanitor]

if by "balanced" you mean "has no distinct character tiers"
there doesn't exist such a game.

If you are using "balanced" like a normal person knowledgeable about video games, than the smash series is easily the one of most balanced fighting game series ever.

Balanced means not broken or glitchy. Balanced means every character can be utilized effectively to some degree.

the guilty gear and street fighter series are also very balanced, and virtua fighter as well, especially the more recent ones.

example of unbalanced games
x-men: next dimension (completely broken)
marvel vs. capcom 2
the naruto gekitou ninja taisen series

 

[OneWingSephiroth]

The smash series is not one of the most balanced series ever, you can't be serious man, I mean, come on. Your telling me, someone like Pikachu did not hold a grip in SSB? Or that someone like Fox/Falco does not mop the floor with so many of the characters in SSBM, I mean someone like Shiek eats pratically half the cast with just her gay throws.

What was meant from balanced is how many playable characters are there at the high lvls of tournament play. SSBM has not been consistent with nothing but the elite characters being placed up in top winnings, that is not consistent for being balanced.

Something like Street Fighter II : Hyper Fighting where a multitude of characters have placed high during its absolute height of competetion has a more solid concrete assurance for balance, not only that but you did not just see this in the US, but also in Japan and S.K. as well, where it has a consistent variety of characters placing well in this game.

Everysingle series has had their game of being horribly unbalanced, everyone hails the VF series as being the most "balanced" 3-D fighting game of all time. However most failed to realize that VF4:Evolution was the only really superbly balanced VF game, and not only that, but basically ALL the VF games recieved numerous upgrades to remove the unbalanced factor.

Does anyone remember Senbon Jab's in VF2? That was a move in which if you got hit, you couldn't block or duck, and basically meant you where dead, not only that but if you blocked it, you where in complete block stun, meaning you would lose to being pushed out of the ring due to it.

Not to mention guys like Akira could drop you down to 25% of your life from one mistake, and that's you having 100% full life. So even games like Virtua Fighter had issue problems. No fighting game series was safe form this.

I would like to mention that in SC1 it was indeed the most balanced SC game, after it recieved upgrades and the most loved because it the most well polished game engine to date still. I have to say this, although Ivy was not a Xianghua from SC2/3 or the Sisters from SC3, she was still very powerful in SC1, one of the biggest reasons was her **** Summon Suffering throws, that crap took off like 50% of your life, and was one of the things that made her so deadly.

Again, TTT is more balanced then it's given credit too, seriously, there is not enough good Mishima players to have them completely dominate the scene. On Paper Mishima's will eat pratically anyone and everyone in TTT, but they are seriously that hard to play and get to that lvl. With that being said, there was a heck of alot of variety in TTT.

Lastly, I've been playing 2ndImpact heavily lately, and I have to change my thoughts about this game now, I strongly believe this game is as balanced if not maybe even slightly more balanced than 3S. Pratically everyone can be played at high lvls aside from Urien, Alex and Hugo.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Ivy FTW.

Kazuya is too good in TTT. Reminds me of his glory days in T2.

 

[MVPaintballer]

Balanced game = boring game...True fact
WoW = fun = imbalanced
DotA for TFT = fun = imbalanced
Dota for RoC = no fun = balanced
smash = fun = imbalanced
SC3 = horribly imbalanced (cough cassandra and xianghua) = semi-fun?

 

[pdk]

great logic there bud

 

[Peaches]

if by "balanced" you mean "has no distinct character tiers"
there doesn't exist such a game.

If you are using "balanced" like a normal person knowledgeable about video games, than the smash series is easily the one of most balanced fighting game series ever.

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LOL, if by one of the most balanced you mean horribly unbalanced.

And yes. VF 4 is the real shining example of balance, but not many have played the others I suppose, I know I haven't.

 

[Unsafe]

People, for the last time, Street Fighter III Third Strike is about as balanced as SSBM, as in IT'S NOT BALANCED. Yun/Chun/Ken, in that order, with Makoto randomly jumping in and out. Everyone else in mid tier holds on by a string thanks to parry, that's it.

Regarding Virtua Fighter:

VF1 was the FIRST 3D polygon fighting game every made, in fact it came a year after Street Fighter 2. As well, it's very unbalanced, but hey it was an innovative game that revolutionized the genre at the time, and it's still playable. Every other 3D title has basically copied it.

VF2 was mainly both visual and gameplay upgrades, mostly visual though. I believe you are refering to PG canceling. Basically during hit detection, the jab's recovery frames are canceled and you get a god tier weapon, that's why everyone in high level VF2 was crouch dasing and low jabing like lunatics lol. If you were launched in that game, nearly any character could kill you with a PG cancel combo. It was a hilariously unbalanced game but it was still innovative, and at the time of VF2, fighting games were still very young.


VF3 was where things got a WHOLE lot more serious as far as competitive play and balance was concerned. VF3 was the first 3d fighter with large interactive stages, it revised the combo system and glitches and brought in 3D sidestepping and movement. It was pretty balanced, interestingly enough the grapplers were top.

VF4 is definately a great installment, never has balance really been honed like in this game. To add to it, SEGA almost fanatical tweaking with revisions and then EVOLUTION followed up with FINAL TUNED, you have a game that was really taken to it's max potential.

VF is my favorite series, mainly cause I can find the fun in the game, that most people don't see. It's a game of "Yomi" or "Reading your opponents mind" when you get past the execution and system mechanics. It's an aquired taste, and I don't blame people for not liking the game.

 

[Peaches]

wow, this jab cancelled combo thing sounds hilariously awesome.

 

[RizardoLawless]

Most balanced=Mugen LOL