I do agree with Kevin about the caution of hammar, Macman. If you feel you might, just either look back on the last tally or don't vote at all >>
Lynching off an inactive player would at least garantee more activity on the game. At the same time, however, people should know (or have a good grasp) on how often Mentos be inactive. It would be nice if he posted a bit more, though.
Ok, so first and foremost, while looking back through, I noticed this post. This is from pretty early in the game when I was still inactive around the board in my games. Subtle pushing of my lynch at a time when I was being suspected for not posting much. Of course, nothing big and really the only time he suggested the idea of lynching me, but you know what else I realized looking through his posts? The ONLY time he mentioned Omni in a negative light was after Omni had claimed lyncher. So, Omni, if you would like to use the fact that he rarely talked about me, maybe you should realize he almost never said anything about you outside when you claimed an anti town role.
Now, on to other things.
Ya know what I think we need? More mentos wagon!unvote vote mentos
My attempt to start a wagon on myself early in the game. This shows two things: One: I did know how my role was activated, and Two: I wanted to get my voting ability early on in the game. Now tell me: what use would it have been for me to get an extra vote early as mafia? It would have ensured BunBun got lynched D1, but if I were mafia I would want my power hidden until late game where it would be of use as a sneak tactic.
Next, you say that I never commented on Rockin all game? Really. I beg to differ quite strongly.
Kevin, I don't think the flavor de-rail was that massive of a scummy thing. Yeah, it was a very unnecessary topic of discussion, but I don't see it as a purposeful derailment, moreso as an accident. Not to say Rockin can't be scum because of that, but I don't think that reason alone is a strong reason to go for him.
Early on Kevin mentioned Rockin's "flavor derail" in which he pretty much asked about spoilers. I didn't find it was that big of an issue, and I've seen him ask and talk a lot about flavor as rocktown, so it didn't stick out as something scummy. If you notice, the main reason Rockin got so much pressure early on was due to this.
I still think Rockin's flavor derail wasn't meant to drive town out of discussion. I too didn't know much about the flavor, and if someone hadn't posted about Scumfever's character's story I would have found his claim a bit more odd. As a whole, I can understand why Rockin would want some background on the flavor going in, and think he was honestly just trying to have some people give some info to him so he had an idea what was going on. Right now I still feel a BunBun lynch.
Once again commenting on the fact that the flavor discussion that was getting Rockin's lynch pushed wasn't as bad as people were saying. Including the fact that without people explaining some flavor, I would have been majorly suspicious of Jungle's claim, so it DID help to talk about flavor some.
I forgot to mention it last too, if anything Rockin should be called out on skimming, not on the flavor derail. I'm most confident in a BunBun lynch today as I said, and during night I will go back and see if that skimming has been consistent and I've missed it.
Here I call out some of Rockin's scummy behavior. I was more confident in a BunBun lynch(for good reason, BunBun did flip non-town), and was going to continue pushing it.
Marshy, I think what he's going for is if he relaxes then he would be an obvious NK target for maf if we decide he should be. I do believe his claim, but Kevin raises a very fine point that it's a great claim for mafia to make. I think we may be best off, however, letting him live, having him relax tonight(sure, risk of kill, but if anyone decides to investigate etc they don't get killed), and seeing what comes up.
Here I explain rationale for not lynching Rockin that day, with a pretty clear goal implied. I wanted Rockin not lynched, wanted him relaxed if he was really a PGO, and wanted(while I didn't explicitly state it) having him investigated. At this point I was still seeing one thing mainly: claimed PGO. I didn't want to switch off BunBun at the time because I felt there was a heavier case levied against him, but I was quite clearly suspicious of Rockin.
Agree with lynching BunBun and letting things happen with Rockin.
Also, just point of interest, why did you choose the word "kill" and not "lynch" Omni?
Following the quote before this, "letting things happen" implied "letting the cop investigate Rockin and find out for sure"
Vyse: Yes, that situation was right near the deadline. What I find strange is that you call Marshy out for jumping on a pretty much claimed anti-town role at the time(which several of us did despite you only calling him out for it), and hopping back off once Omni explained his role and it became more likely he was town. What in the world is scummy about that?
Now, with the deadline looming, I'm still mainly for a Riddle lynch. If need be to get something done I'll probably switch to Rockin(do NOT want another no lynch), but we'll see how things go.
And finally, here's the post I referred to before I got frustrated and gave up for a while. While Rockin wasn't my main push(let's be honest, Riddle's player spot was the most useless thing in the game, and being prior to the modkills, we still had a good amount of room to work with.
Now that your argument that I never commented on Rockin is disproven, and I clearly implied suspicion of him, I think we can write that argument off. If you want to keep arguing I am scummy because Rockin didn't comment on me much, same applies to you Omni. Now on to other points:
The part about me sitting on BunBun is because, as I've said a million times before, during that time period I wasn't home, and by the time BunBun claimed I wasn't on again until post-deadline. I probably would have switched after BunBun's claim, but wasn't around to do so.
The second part, about my CC of Rockin not being immediate, is going to have to be whether you believe that I could miss one of two names I have being claimed or not. I agree with you Gheb, that usually if someone claims my character I notice it right away, but I also want to ask, if you had two names for your character, do you agree it's very possible to think of yourself as one of the names and after a couple weeks of the game not be as sensitive to the other?
Omni, I've responded to the points in your post you told me to respond to several times already, and you just keep coming back saying the exact same things, not accounting for any of the defense I've given or any comments I've made to the situation. The reason you are frustrating to argue with isn't because "it's such good logic" it's that you never accept anything I say, and EVERY post about me seems to be you listing off the same points I've already responded to without altering it for defense I make. It's not an argument if one side says the same thing over and over and doesn't adjust its argument to compensate for the comments made from the other side.
Now a question to you though Omni: You say you, Gheb, Mac, Kev, and Cacti are GG's, if you're town what are you gonna do when I flip town? Unless you believe that there were only two scum, when that happens you're in bad shape. Secondly: When did you become so certain that Vyse was mafia with me? After I pointed out if I was scum and he wasn't the game would be over right now?
