Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[Lore]

Zen why are you pushing nac when you've provided better and more enthusiastic a push against Wl who your still trying to lynch on top of that which is mad janky

He has it planned out to LYLO with how we can use each role toNight, essentially. However, I'm not automatically inclined to believe either claim, so I'd rather go for what I see as the likely win toDay.

Now that I'm thinking of it, I think I was trying too hard to justify Laundry's N2 no visit. We probably should have lynched him right there instead of Xatres, but it didn't help that Xatres was wrong about his role name.

 

[Lore]

Plus why didn't he just target a VT instead of FML? Since I would be the most likely target, my flip would clear FML anyway. Unless he just wanted to "prove" his power further by sending it to me (the one he sees as already on his side) and double clearing a person.

There was literally zero reason to not target a VT claim.

 

[Lore]

Yeaaaah my vote is staying on Laundry. Apologies for getting on you Zenshemu, I'm glad I thought on it more. However, I'm going back on you if he flips town; your play and claim are still a good bit odd if he's town.

 

[Ｚｅｎ✦ｓｈｅｍｕ]

im glad u agree but its still better to lynch from mac/joey because we win the game, guaranteed, if we lynch a vt @_@

you people do NOT read my posts

 

[Lore]

You don't quite get it, do you? Your plan only works if your role is legitimate, and I have zero reason to believe it is until I see Laundry's flip.

Besides that, Joey is 100% cleared of at least being scum (not indy) in my book. Unless there actually is a fifth scum, Laundry's claim of Joey makes him town. Assuming he's faking and that there's only 4 scum, he has no scum mates left to cover for. That makes it so that Joey's out of the potential lynch pool; if there are 4 scum, Laundry has no scum mates left if he flips scum.

So the lynch pool (in my eyes) unless the game continues after a 4th scum lynch is you, Laundry, and Mac. Even IF Joey is scum thanks to there being 5, we still have those three to pick from thanks to there being one scum left in that situation.

I see zero reason not to lynch Laundry in this situation. At worst, he flips town and leaves you and Mac to get rid of.

 

[Ｚｅｎ✦ｓｈｅｍｕ]

Vote: washedlaundry

@ #HBC | Mac @ Inglorious Retards

 

[Ｚｅｎ✦ｓｈｅｍｕ]

You don't quite get it, do you? Your plan only works if your role is legitimate, and I have zero reason to believe it is until I see Laundry's flip.

noooo it works if it isn't too, because if im scum i have to clear laundry or mislynch him then push for the existence of a tailor, getting lynched in LYLO because of how ridiculous that is

also joey can easily be godfather

man **** it, im tired of pushing why this works. the laundry vote is from zen and not me but whatever who cares at this point since laundry is scum you guys dont want a secure win i guess

 

[Ｚｅｎ✦ｓｈｅｍｕ]

joey isnt even gonna do anything for town ._.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Vote Joey

 

[Ｚｅｎ✦ｓｈｅｍｕ]

Can't get behind a joey lynch. Laundry has disappeared.

-Z

 

[Inglorious Retards]

What do you mean? Not enough people behind a Joey lynch to actually get 4 votes?

 

[Ｚｅｎ✦ｓｈｅｍｕ]

I mean I don't support it. I want the game to end.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

well im already down to lynch whoever isn't me

aka joey and laundry

lmk when we'll actually do that

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Whatever

Unvote Vote Washed Laundry

 

[Lore]

And seriously, where the **** is Joey?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Rake and I are gonna reread tonight. If we get to anything we will let you guys now the results

 

[#HBC | Mac]

we should just lynch joey out of principle

 

[Lore]

He posted in the social thread about being V/LA and needing a replacement, but I doubt anyone would want to replace this late in the game.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

zen up to page 5 - im feeling the mac direction more

 

[#HBC | Mac]

rake y have u forsaken me

 

[Ｚｅｎ✦ｓｈｅｍｕ]

Alright here's the strongest case I have this game: mac changes his avatar like every 2 days and changing your avatar mid-mafia-game is a scumtell.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I'm still reading. Need to finish

Spoiler

thats what she said

 

[Inglorious Retards]

So I think that we should all just request Joey to get modkilled at the end of the Day and lynch Laundry, who really seems to not care about winning this game right now.

@ #HBC | Dancer

Joey has announced V/LA status in the social thread. Requesting him to get modkilled at the end of the Day phase.

 

[Ｚｅｎ✦ｓｈｅｍｕ]

Mac vote laundry please. FML requesting hammer.

 

[Lore]

If Joey is modkilled, what does that do for the avoiding LYLO logic?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

vote: laundry

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Letting rake finish his read. Hes leaning towards mac right now but if we uavent gotten that in the next coupke days will hammer

 

[Lore]

I'm actually pretty sure that's a hammer.

Requesting modkill as well if it doesn't lose us the game.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Zash/mac/you/?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

That / shouldnt be there and include ghebs name

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Vote Count

1. Laundry (4) - Werekill, Z e n ✦ s h e m u, Gheb_01, Macman
2 Macman
3. Gheb_01
4. FullMetalLynch (Rake/Orboknown)
5. Joey
6. Werekill
7. Z e n ✦ s h e m u (2) - FullMetalLynch, Laundry

Not voting: Joey

"And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads, the names of blasphemy. And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"

"Who is able to make war with the beast?" Apparently this town can.

Laundry (Christof Sievernich, mafia messanger) has been lynched!

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Mac (Herbert Wolf, vanilla townie) survives and wins in endgame!

Gheb_01 (Dr. Becker, vanilla townie) survives and wins in endgame!

FullMetalLynch (Julius Reichwein, town vote manipulator) survives andwins in endgame!

Joey (Karl Neuman, vanilla townie) survives and wins in endgame!

Werekill (Heinrich Lunge, town tracker) survives and wins in endgame!

Z e n ✦ s h e m u (Anna Liebert, town clairvoyance) survives and wins in endgame!

ilovegiraffes, Jerkus, Nabe, Xatres, and FrozenFlame win from the grave!

Game over! Town wins! GG scum!

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Oh, good stuff ^_^

Really like the mafia messenger and Zen's role btw. Very nice setup.

 

[#HBC | Amidamaru]

GG TOWN!

man I was way off (Ran)

 

[Lore]

**** yeah! I'm glad I came around in the end. Good game!

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Cool

I guess I should apologize to Jerkus... But nah **** that

Scummy ass *****

 

[#HBC | Amidamaru]

it was his avatar dat was scummy obv

 

[Xivii]

I remember circus posted outside his hydra and all my scum vibes went away.

 

[Lore]

Is there any way I could get general opinions/critique of my play from people? I would definitely appreciate it.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

GG scum, good shot Laundry, great hustle from Ashemu -- that the WL lynch worked out doesn't justify not listening to a 100% plan.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

SO! Time to answer some things off the top of my head:

• Poison was indeed an alternative method of killing and not a supplementary one. Mafia could not both kill and poison on the same Night. However, should they have chosen to poison over regular killing, the poisoner would gain a ninja ability.
  
• Night 2: The Explanation: The reason Night 2 took so long was because scum failed to send in an action by deadline, but last minute Laundry asked for me to not start the Day phase without one. I gave him an unofficial 24 hour extension (although I did not tell him that I granted him this, my bad) in which he still failed to send in an action. Vult sent me in an "just in case" list of Night actions in the case of no official actions being sent in. Well, 24 hours passed in no actions, so I just took Vult's action in which he rb Zen (yes, it did stop the passive) and he killed Jerkus. From the qt we know that Laundry was planning on sending a message, which would have lead Werekill from seeing WL go somewhere. However, Laundry sent in nothing, and so by a mere fluke of inactivity WK saw Laundry go nowhere (meaning a vt claim would have been much better on his part, not that he could have known).
  
• There was no bounce back mechanic (like seriously wtf?)
• The decision to allow the rb to stop Zen/Ash's role was a last minute one, made out of sympathy to a scum team that didn't have some kind of role investigate. I did not have an original plan on rather or not the rb would stop a passive role tbh. In hindsight, it was probably WORSE that scum got their rb off, as delaying the one-shot cop is probably worse for them. Maybe. Also allows mafia more time to kill off this role ehh.
  
• Had Zen/Ash not been rb, they would have gained their Night 3 information Night 2 and Night 4 role change Night 3.
  
• The two manipulators were deliberately put in the game to punish the "Oh, mafia MUST be among them" mentality. This was the main reason I told Zen/Ash to "not outguess me."

That's it for things off the top of my head.

Greenroom
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