MKGD: A new Bat watches over the town

[GOofyGV]

Kind of like that yes. Poke his shield with spaced dair or spaced ftilt,dtilt and wait for him to react. And yeah planking is really good vs Falco.

 

[1PokeMastr]

So just mix up different things for getting off the ledge?

I see, As an ike main. the concept of 'Options' is still foreign to me.

Ledge hop Fair with Ike forever.

 

[Heartstring]

ledge hop fair? whoever does that, Tell them they're bad XD
That said, I'm finding it easier to get off the ledge now. But against marth, I'm having a hard time nado-ing safely, If they shield, I move away at he end but marth can still chase and grab me before i can do anything. What do I do in this scenario?

 

[ぱみゅ]

Don't Tornado Marth when he's grounded. Just don't.
Tornado in that MU is dangerous, your best shot (and works agaisnt any character) is if you detect they shield on platforms a lot, so you just Nado (spaced obvs) to pressure or even poke their shields.

 

[sGale]

I like nado'ing if I see Marth needlessly jump (Which a lot of them do xD). Otherwise I don't find that much use in it.

 

[Heartstring]

Okay, I guess I can do that.
What about if I've already worn his shield down a little bit? so much that it can't take the entire tornado

 

[ぱみゅ]

I guess you can, but if he sees it coming he can Dolphin Slash.
Seriously, Tornado is so good that everyone has come up with ways to deal with it.

 

[KassandraNova]

I like nado'ing if I see Marth needlessly jump (Which a lot of them do xD). Otherwise I don't find that much use in it.

Pretty much this.

Be careful rolling against him, I know MKs back roll is super awesome, and generally Marth's weak point is behind him since he has less favorable options there, but he can punish it if you get predictable with it.

I use Dtilt and Ftilt to try and space him on the ground, especially Dtilt when used to space/poke properly.

Marth's uair can kind of be annoying because it's really good, but remember he has to guess where your falling to use it, and if he misses, it puts him in a bad position especially if you fast fall after he misses, then suddenly he's above you.

Also don't get grabbed on the smashville platform. Yuck.

 

[sGale]

Don't grabbed at all xD

 

[Heartstring]

Don't grabbed at all xD

I have been grabbed enough times to know not to get grabbed
amount of times I was grabbed before i learnt this: 2

 

[sGale]

That's well enough

 

[GOofyGV]

Well from exp vs both Mr.R and Leon I know that nado is not that bad at all vs Marth. It’s just mindless nadoing or approaching with nado that’s bad.
Marths short hop fair is not as good in this mu because we stuff it with nado. however you need to control over your tornado and make sure they don't pop out.
Mashing B more often makes it easier for them to get out but if you don't mess enough they can just upB in-between the hits. So your timing with messing B has to be really on point and it helps a lot of you drift while you nado. Makesit harder to get out For him.
I'll write a guide about that mu after the Falco mu because I feel like many people can use it =)

 

[TM_icecream]

We're free to Diddy -2 #discuss

 

[TSM ZeRo]

VIDEO GUIDE!​

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[GOofyGV]

I posted a Diddy guide not to long ago. If you think Diddy is -2 you might want to read it

EDIT: Diddy is a fun mu

 

[Heartstring]

The guy is trolling. he cant possibly be serious

 

[Reckless4Christ]

Goofy, next you're gonna say MK vs. Olimar is fun. Good guides, but no thank you, I'd perfer to not be assaulted with vegetables. Or bananas...

 

[Heartstring]

Dude, any MU is fun with MK. I genuinely laugh during matches with MK against pretty much anyone. The joy of having options after not having them for nearly 3 years is...well...joyful

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

Well, if you consider getting cg'd by Ice Grabbers fun.... I don't know what to say. One mistake and you are as good as gone if you know that ICs main is not someone who will drop a grab lol.

 

[Reckless4Christ]

IC's is a fun MU fun with Ness, but IMO not with MK.

 

[sGale]

ICs are fun to play against. Knowing that you can finish them at any time, and that they can do the same to you is really exciting. Also, it forces you to play perfect (Kind of).

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

Well, may be it is because I am primarily a Fox main. MK is my only hope against ICs. Only thing I can think of as both MK and Fox is that I should not attack shields lol. Just move without faltering I suppose since once grabbed = a stock most of the time lol. So yeah, I agree with having to play the level of near perfection.

 

[Heartstring]

Well, if you consider getting cg'd by Ice Grabbers fun.... I don't know what to say. One mistake and you are as good as gone if you know that ICs main is not someone who will drop a grab lol.

Getting CG'd isn't fun. But not getting grabbed and having them not know what to do in that situation...now THATS fun.
For about 2 years my nearest smasher was an IC main and he never dropped (unless I pulled a Dbag move and shouted something to put him off. but I did that once and we were both laughing so hard we had to pause anyway). character with range really shouldnt have any issue against IC's grabs unless they manage to get that 1 frame of double powershielding.
That said. They're still a solid character without the CG

 

[Reckless4Christ]

Yeah it's a kinda weird MU because you can't mke mistakes.
But I'm bad, so most of the time I make mistakes lol.
Getting CG'd is definitely not fun.

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

What do you mean? Watching myself getting cg'd to death is fun Anyways, may be I should be more active here than Fox board or something lol

 

[Reckless4Christ]

Yeah maybe so because when you post here people actually respond to you lol. It's not dead all the time like Fox Board.

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

Hmm, so MK mains, do you guys buffer a lot of stuffs?

 

[Reckless4Christ]

Yeah sorta. Depends on the MU. Like on Ness/Lucas you need to buffer some stuffs for grab releases on them I'm sure.

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

I know mr CT ZeRo buffers his stuffs from what I've been watching or may be controller is very responsive since he uses GCC. I don't know. I am trying to buffer everything I can.

 

[Reckless4Christ]

Yeah extra four-frame lag on ccp makes it hard sometimes. Or it seems like it to me, anyway.

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

I know how it feels, that input lags sometimes it prevents me from buffering stuffs efficiently. Sometimes my MK/Fox would do nothing I intended and stand around only lol.

 

[Reckless4Christ]

Happens to my Ness alot too.

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

Yeah, it gives me nice extra damage lol. I should probably consider gcc and find a way to use it on my black wii

 

[Reckless4Christ]

Ugh, black wii. I share that problem
But I like the feel of ccp better anyway. I seriously NEED two left triggers, or I'm absolutely terrible lol.

 

[Heartstring]

I honestly cant use anything other than a GCC these days. i went to a games club once and had to use a third-party GCC. I felt ill

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

lol, you and your input superiority. You gcc people

 

[Reckless4Christ]

Yuck. Third-party. Those things are gross.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I can't stop here... This is Bat Country!

 

[Reckless4Christ]

^There is a monkey among us...

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

Kill the monkey, kill it with fire!