Miracle Of Light - Palutena in SSB4 (Featuring Cereza from Bayonetta-series)

[NairWizard]

Feels the same to me too, can more people confirm or deny?

 

[Burigu]

Maybe they didn't buffed the characters that were "bad" for many people, they nerfed characters that were on the broken side, I am sure if this doesn't balance the game more then they will buff characters like Palutena, by the way Destroyed Skyworld is amazingly remixed, already one of my favorite levels in Uprising.

Despite a comment I read earlier, I always play the Chaos Kin arc the more since it is so epic, just wonderful and I play Destroyed Skyworld a lot.

Funny that the patch is out today I expected it to be released after the currect conquest was over.


The remix did my day yesterday my 3DS battery died and now I can't play it without being charged all the time

 

[kmpyj]

I dunno. Her jabs feel the same to me. I have both my American 3DS (Patch 1.0.3), and my Japanese 3DS (Patch 1.0.4) and I don't see a difference in them. They work just the same.

 

[Burigu]

Palutena feels the same to me I can do the same things I was able in the past DGrab, Fair, jab repeat I didn't feel any difference

Warp cancel is still in the game and also Infinite Lightweight I am wondering if they haven't catch on that or they put it in the game on purpose...

Yoshi got buffed... just kidding

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

That jab to grab being nerfed really scared me, haha.

Yeah maybe they didn't change all the characters, just some of them. Palutena is middle ish so I think they will just sorta let the game go from here and maybe wait longer, the balance before this patch was already great.

 

[Zero Suit Senpai]

K side-by-side testing versions now. Pretty sure jab-grab is exactly the same.

Disproving stuff I previously said when looking at videos:
- bthrow is exactly the same
- fsmash range is the same (or at least very similar)

Stuff other people have said:
- Dair hitbox seems exactly the same (hitbox as small as ever)
- Fsmash windbox seems exactly the same @ Burigu
- Ftilt speed / IASA seems exactly the same
- Dtilt speed / IASA seems extremely similar...perhaps barely faster IASA in 1.0.4 but I'm not at all confident in it.
Edit:

http://gfycat.com/InsignificantFrailKiwi

d-tilt and u-tilt have less lag.

Welp, I guess I should have been more confident!

Likely placebo effect / my error but other people might want to test:
- usmash might have a slightly longer lingering hitbox (tested by setting wii fit trainer to walk on FD, resetting training mode, and then inputting usmash when wii fit trainers front foot crosses over the middle diamond).

 

[kmpyj]

K side-by-side testing versions now. Pretty sure jab-grab is exactly the same.

Disproving stuff I previously said when looking at videos:
- bthrow is exactly the same
- fsmash range is the same (or at least very similar)

Likely placebo effect / my error but other people might want to test:
- usmash might have a slightly longer lingering hitbox (tested by setting wii fit trainer to walk on FD, resetting training mode, and then inputting usmash when wii fit trainers front foot crosses over the middle diamond).

I actually just tested that. I think your right. I notice on 1.0.3 the hit frames didn't last as long as the frames in this update.

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

Awesome! Usmash had this lingering hitbox which was cool despite how SHORT it was, would be awesome if it lasts a little longer and puts up more of a wall like her other moves!

 

[Admiral Pit]

I think the hitbox does last slightly longer, even if it's for less than half a second. I wish it did last longer though, At least it's better than nothing, though.
We also need some Palutena parties sometime.

 

[Burigu]

Isn't FSmash wind box pulling enemies on ground away more now?? I have no proof or anything just notice the wind box and I am unsure if the distance is the same or not

 

[Cap'nChreest]

http://gfycat.com/InsignificantFrailKiwi

d-tilt and u-tilt have less lag.

 

[kmpyj]

http://gfycat.com/InsignificantFrailKiwi

d-tilt and u-tilt have less lag.

Huh, I thought they felt a little faster. Nice to know.

So, so far we know that her US has a slightly longer hit frame, and both her D-Tilt and U-Tilt have less lag. Pretty good.

 

[meleebrawler]

@ Nabbitnator I currently have you provisionnally registered as a friend.
You can add me when you're ready!

 

[mimgrim]

Dtilt was made faster? Her best tilt was made better. Funny.

Don't have 1.0.4 myself yet. Where I live the WiFi is really bad and hasn't been working on my 3DS for almost a year now. Next time I go to a place with actual good WiFi I'll be able to download it though.

 

[Nabbitnator]

@ Nabbitnator I currently have you provisionnally registered as a friend.
You can add me when you're ready!

ok i'll add you.

 

[Nabbitnator]

Maybe they didn't buffed the characters that were "bad" for many people, they nerfed characters that were on the broken side, I am sure if this doesn't balance the game more then they will buff characters like Palutena, by the way Destroyed Skyworld is amazingly remixed, already one of my favorite levels in Uprising.

Despite a comment I read earlier, I always play the Chaos Kin arc the more since it is so epic, just wonderful and I play Destroyed Skyworld a lot.

Funny that the patch is out today I expected it to be released after the currect conquest was over.


The remix did my day yesterday my 3DS battery died and now I can't play it without being charged all the time

If you want to play I can play you now.

I feel like greninja wasn't any where near broken the only things that seemed op was hyrdogimp and SS idk how dair to ss was broke since you're cancelling an already lagful move into an even laggier one.

Btw there will be a 24 hour stream on here Friday.http://www.twitch.tv/chaos_underscore Right now there is a stream but its Mario kart. I'm sure you can join if you want. Friday you'll see some palutena play from me.

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

Awesome find guys! I think this outta do it, I'm very satisfied in terms of changes. Tilts are something that could have their lag reduced without really hurting anything, and Usmash is cooler with longer lasting hitboxes, without being OP because it still has long lag.

 

[Burigu]

If you want to play I can play you now.

I feel like greninja wasn't any where near broken the only things that seemed op was hyrdogimp and SS idk how dair to ss was broke since you're cancelling an already lagful move into an even laggier one.

Btw there will be a 24 hour stream on here Friday.http://www.twitch.tv/chaos_underscore Right now there is a stream but its Mario kart. I'm sure you can join if you want. Friday you'll see some palutena play from me.

Sorry I wasn't here last hour and a half, I can't play right this moment but if you want to add me PM your friend code

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

Guys I don't know if it's just me but did her running up smash change?

I've done this many times, dthrow into a running up smash, I don't seem to be able to input the up smash that early or else it will do a dash attack. Maybe I'm just messing up, but I've never messed this up before until today, i missed three in a row.

Edit1: Ok nevermind it must just be the lag, been missing it a lot online

Edit2: Ok idk i think something changed, I keep missing it and doing a dash attack... =/ I can stutter step usmash like before, or do a very short dash into it, and a normal dash into it, but i can't do anything in between anymore? Maybe something in her dash changed or something?

 

[ZeldaFan01]

I really wish Palutena's SSB4 design was the one from Brawl... But beggars can't be choosers! Did anyone else want this?

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

Sorry I like her SSB4 look more, not just her face but the whole model.

 

[ZeldaFan01]

Really, why? I think that SSBB Palutena looks older and more beautiful and elegant.Well they only changed the way her hair and face looked from brawl. but her whole model and weapons are the same, right?

 

[RedCap-BlueSpikes]

Eh. I prefer the more cute-faced Palutena we have now. I always felt her face looked off in Brawl.

 

[chipndip]

DACUS was given the run around in this patch.

I made a thread to collect challengers from here. No one want. q_q

 

[Burigu]

I really wish Palutena's SSB4 design was the one from Brawl... But beggars can't be choosers! Did anyone else want this?

Let me think

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Brawl's ackward looking Palutena:

VS Uprising and Smash 4 Palutena:

Mmmm sorry old Palutena is no match for actual Palutena she looks younger and playful and she behaves like that, she is really elegant still, looking young doesn't equal as not being elegant, I think this version is better fitting for the character as the Big Sis type of character that she is to Pit, rather than looking like his mother.

This is opinion based but for my Brawl's Palutena's face look EXTREMELY ackward it is not about her being older it's about her face proportions. Honestly I didn't care about Palutena at the time it was until Uprising redesing that I tough "they nailed it with this young looking appearance" after playing through the game I became a great fan. Believe me this is the best design for a fun loving, elegant and intelligent goddess like her.

So long post short story, 23 year old lookings Palutena look way better than Brawl's Palutena it appears you are in the minority

 

[Cap'nChreest]

Anyone else feel like at least dash-attack and b-air are stronger?

Or that lightweight seems faster? Idk. Someone test it.

 

[Zero Suit Senpai]

Anyone else feel like at least dash-attack and b-air are stronger?
Someone test it.

Stronger as in kill faster? I tested both of those. They kill at the same percentages they did in 1.0.3.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

Stronger as in kill faster? I tested both of those. They kill at the same percentages they did in 1.0.3.

I guess I just realized dash attack is a decent kill option.

 

[ZeldaFan01]

Let me think

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Brawl's ackward looking Palutena:

VS Uprising and Smash 4 Palutena:

Mmmm sorry old Palutena is no match for actual Palutena she looks younger and playful and she behaves like that, she is really elegant still, looking young doesn't equal as not being elegant, I think this version is better fitting for the character as the Big Sis type of character that she is to Pit, rather than looking like his mother.

This is opinion based but for my Brawl's Palutena's face look EXTREMELY ackward it is not about her being older it's about her face proportions. Honestly I didn't care about Palutena at the time it was until Uprising redesing that I tough "they nailed it with this young looking appearance" after playing through the game I became a great fan. Believe me this is the best design for a fun loving, elegant and intelligent goddess like her.

So long post short story, 23 year old lookings Palutena look way better than Brawl's Palutena it appears you are in the minority

The old Lady Palutena is not awkward looking!! how can you say that the the divine goddess!...But i do agree that the older one looks like she can be Pit's mother..

First, here's a better picture

compare that to this one, then you'll see the older one looks more beautiful

 

[Tailisu10]

Eh, I always thought Brawl Palutena's face looked off.

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

The old Lady Palutena is not awkward looking!! how can you say that the the divine goddess!...But i do agree that the older one looks like she can be Pit's mother..

First, here's a better picture

compare that to this one, then you'll see the older one looks more beautiful

In some ways she does look better, smash sort of makes all originally-anime style designs look sort of generic and dry (2nd picture), but I also prefer her looking more young, girly, more of a big sis type (and "cartoony", if you will).

 

[Burigu]

The old Lady Palutena is not awkward looking!! how can you say that the the divine goddess!...But i do agree that the older one looks like she can be Pit's mother..

First, here's a better picture

compare that to this one, then you'll see the older one looks more beautiful

mmmmmm I still stand what I said before, but you are free to like old Palutena better you can say you are special since almost everyone like the new Palutena more so you can have that, but for me and many more people it was Uprising Palutena that make her so likeable and actually gave the character personallity, tons of media and mythology are already filled with stoic looking gods, it is good to have a fictional goddess with a bit of charm and personallity for a change I simply can't picture old Palutena with that voice and that personallity at all or making puns like she does.

Brawl Palutena was like the ackward beta, in Uprising they improved her and actually make her a character with personality goals and failures Uprising gave her a soul before that she was just a generic character you have to rescue. So in design, personality and direction Uprising gave us the best Palutena and the one we are a fan of

For the record I will not continue this discussion since there is really no point we could continue with this without actually achieve anything, I have expresed my point of view and no matter what you will still believe old Palutena is better. (which is not)

 

[ZeldaFan01]

*Sigh* I guess I kinda knew I was in the minority of thinking SSBB Palutena looks better than Uprising/SSB4 Palutena. The real reason think I like the SSBB one better is because I wanted to be her so bad in SSBB! I wish she would have joined Pit but...well, too late now!

 

[kmpyj]

Let me think

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Brawl's ackward looking Palutena:

VS Uprising and Smash 4 Palutena:

Mmmm sorry old Palutena is no match for actual Palutena she looks younger and playful and she behaves like that, she is really elegant still, looking young doesn't equal as not being elegant, I think this version is better fitting for the character as the Big Sis type of character that she is to Pit, rather than looking like his mother.

This is opinion based but for my Brawl's Palutena's face look EXTREMELY ackward it is not about her being older it's about her face proportions. Honestly I didn't care about Palutena at the time it was until Uprising redesing that I tough "they nailed it with this young looking appearance" after playing through the game I became a great fan. Believe me this is the best design for a fun loving, elegant and intelligent goddess like her.

So long post short story, 23 year old lookings Palutena look way better than Brawl's Palutena it appears you are in the minority

I couldn't agree more. To be honest, I always knew about the Kid Icarus series before brawl, but I just never beat any of the games. I did however knew who Pit was, but had no idea who Palutena was. I later looked very dumbfounded when I found out who she was, lol. But to me, brawl Palutena never caught my eye like today's Palutena does. Even when Uprising was first announced I didn't really pay Palutena much mind, because her, and Pit's debut voices sounded awful (mainly Pit's.) But it wasn't until her new voice actress for Uprising, as well as those model updates, and her overall character got to me. That's when I started to like Palutena's character. So yeah, if it wasn't for Uprising, I probably wouldn't be here today. Not saying brawl's Palutena is bad. I'm mean, everything is fine except.........for......that face... It just looks odd. I absolutely love the more youthful/cheerful 20-ish Palutena. She just looks more lively, and there's nothing wrong with that for a Goddess.

 

[Nabbitnator]

I think palutena looked old in brawl or we can just say its her without make up and call it a day.

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

Guys previously when Palutena did DACUS did she get a good amount of slide (especially when charging it?)

Thankfully you can still do running upsmashes for actually ANY part of the dash, including mid dash, the input for it is just harder, you have to be really sure your Up and A inputs are simultaneous, whereas before there was some leeway (Up before A worked) so you can still cover people's trajectories after a dthrow woo!

I ask because I think I remember her getting some slide (aka like a real dacus) before, right now you still can get a tiny bit of slide if you do a upsmash after a very short dash (at the beginning of it).


I find it strange why he would remove sliding up smashes, was it posing a problem to gameplay? Wasn't it natural to slide when doing a run into upsmash in Brawl?

 

[ZeldaFan01]

Enough about how the beautiful divine goddess looks, either way she's the same person... anyway Since Kid Icarus is now Sakurai's franchise, wouldn't it have been better if it was Pit and Palutena (Dark Pit as a stage hazard or assist) and add two more reps? Like Viridi, Phosphora, Magnus, Hades, or Medusa? I mean it's his franchise and could've experimented more, you know? The roster would have been more interesting.

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

I would love to play as Viridi haha. Sakurai is great at making characters. Kirby, Kid Icarus, all have great characters. Hopefully there's another KI game so that he can add her in for Smash 5!

 

[kmpyj]

Guys previously when Palutena did DACUS did she get a good amount of slide (especially when charging it?)

Thankfully you can still do running upsmashes for actually ANY part of the dash, including mid dash, the input for it is just harder, you have to be really sure your Up and A inputs are simultaneous, whereas before there was some leeway (Up before A worked) so you can still cover people's trajectories after a dthrow woo!

I ask because I think I remember her getting some slide (aka like a real dacus) before, right now you still can get a tiny bit of slide if you do a upsmash after a very short dash (at the beginning of it).


I find it strange why he would remove sliding up smashes, was it posing a problem to gameplay? Wasn't it natural to slide when doing a run into upsmash in Brawl?

Yeah, it's still possible. But to be honest, I actually use the C - Stick when using Palutena's Running Up Smash.

 

[ZeldaFan01]

Yeah.. butI just feel Like: Pit, Palutena, and then Dark Part seems too weird.... Like they just threw him in just to get three reps instead of adding a more unique character