Mini Mafia

[#HBC | J]

RR, I am bugged a tad. Why are you only focusing on people's claims in a game where the roles are completely obscure and also the fact that it is going to be completely random. I mean, you aren't focusing on scum-hunting or looking at Kanty's actions but more just looking at his claim as a reason to lynch him.

This is exactly what RR is doing all this game. He has no care for scum-hunting and it purely looking for a way to lynch people that revolves around mechanics or things that he can easily hide behind. RR hasn't done anything at all this game besides cling to reads, sit on them, not do anything, and just float along behind the guise of "Let's prove ALL the PRs!".

You are not even caring to look on RR because you have scum goggles on me with 0% substantion and just wanna lynch me, to lynch me. There is no reason behind your push, nor is there behind RR's. The only person who has tried to give reasons as to why I am scum is Fynal and even then, they fall below par in terms of good reasoning to lynch my slot.

 

[Kantrip]

Man Jdietz cut the tunneling.

 

[Kantrip]

J you never answered why you told me to bomb Fynal when you did.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

I'm fine with being lynch if J dies the day after btw.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Oh man 3v3 wagon that would be super swag.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Kantrip will decide this all.

Lynch J or form the counter wagon, the choice or yours and yours alone.

 

[Kantrip]

Something that's kind of dumb about this game is that being lynched is never a bad thing for the lynchee. They know what alignment they come back out as, and if they get negatownie and end the game, they are considered to have won. If they get town, it's like nothing ever happened. They lose nothing but their role (which was probably one-shot and now they are getting a new one), so technically the person who got themselves lynched actually BENEFITS.

That's something about this set-up that irks me a lot.

 

[Jdietz43]

Man Jdietz cut the tunneling.

Nah, only J and Soup require attention right now. Super serious. All we have to do right now is find the original nega, we can worry about you and Fynal's reincarnations later.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Then go ahead an vote me, worst case scenario I turn negatownie and win with then, if I am negatownie I turn town an win.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Or other things, still you should vote J or me.

 

[Kantrip]

Regardless, Red Ruy, it is against your win-con to be legitimately complying with your lynch, no matter which win-con that may be. Even if you benefit from your own lynch, you should be playing towards your current win-con while you're alive.

@Jdietz: Why are you clearing Red Ruy? Why are you talking as though we should clear you?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

This is why this game is silly no?

Your wincon is irrelevant because you change alignments, see why I am playing how I am?

 

[Jdietz43]

Because he's playing exactly how I expect him to.

I'm the governator, and I don't care if people think that doesn't clear me. Because what Ryu says is partially true.

 

[Jdietz43]

(as long as you're not the literal last surviving scum getting lynched, getting lynched and possibly winning with scum isn't a big deal)

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah I do, Red Ruy, but it's stupid. Play to your win-con and don't think about the fact that you get a new one upon death. Think about the fact that your death hinders your current faction, which means playing against your current win-con, which you should put above future win-cons that you don't even have yet.

 

[Kantrip]

Wait Jdietz can you keep using your ability?

 

[Jdietz43]

How about this: I won't argue with you about the merits of playing to or against both factions if you hammer J and help town win so I don't have to think about it.


No, just that once.

 

[#HBC | J]

We should lynch Ditzy then.

@Kanty: I wanted to get rid of the 50/50 person if since I wasn't really sold on RR scum and ditzy was already the wagon choice for yesterDay to prove his ability.

 

[Kantrip]

Or you could tell me, in your own words, why ANYONE should be voting for J right now?

Got anything not Xonar-related?

 

[Jdietz43]

Or you could tell me, in your own words, why ANYONE should be voting for J right now?

Got anything not Xonar-related?

I suppose I could. But that wouldn't be as fun.

I'll go type up a few points while you contemplate why J was so eager for Kantrip to suicide bomb Fynal.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yeah I do, Red Ruy, but it's stupid. Play to your win-con and don't think about the fact that you get a new one upon death. Think about the fact that your death hinders your current faction, which means playing against your current win-con, which you should put above future win-cons that you don't even have yet.

I know this, but this is why I really also don't care if I get lynched.

If I get town, cool we lynch J tomarrow and that is that.
If I get scum, cool I win later due to majority I hope.

It's dumb but it's what I immediately noticed with this set-up.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Or you could tell me, in your own words, why ANYONE should be voting for J right now?

Got anything not Xonar-related?

He is scrambling for a lynch, came out with 3 targets out of nowhere and hasn't really put effort into any other than myself.

 

[Jdietz43]

*high-fives lazy bro*

 

[Kantrip]

I've been contemplating that already, for quite some time.

You haven't been reading, either?

That's the one thing that has bothered me about J's play. I didn't expect the answer he gave. I was hoping for "I didn't really believe your role anyways and I thought you were just going to gambit". The fact that J believed my claim and still insisted I do it is something I'm not too sure about.

@Red Ruy: Yeah, I noticed it too. Along with the fact that we can keep lynching someone over and over again with no risk of loss and just continue on until we find use for the role they pull or we feel like stopping or something. Doesn't mean I intended to exploit those are make the game a farce by not caring about it.

 

[Kantrip]

or* make the game a farce

 

[Jdietz43]

(don't worry, it's not a farce. But it does mean I'm treating it with experimentation in mind. Seeing how long I could wait to explain anything at all about J for instance lol)

 

[Kantrip]

Wow, that does sound like a fun experiment. See how little information I can give before people start to get pissed at me for being useless.

I wish I still had my bomb....

 

[Jdietz43]

It worked for a really long time... though honestly I doubt if I was a role other than governor I could have held out so long.

Even then I kind of get the feeling if I just waited you'd be on the J wagon eventually XD

 

[Kantrip]

I wouldn't hammer the wagon or willingly let it be hammered without you substantiating your place on it.

Besides, I'd rather one of you or Red Ruy die than J who is actually playing to his win-con.

 

[Jdietz43]

Kay, I've read up.

Wow this got silly fast.

Mass-claim = bad idea. There is like no other way around that and it was just silly. Soup was justified in his answers to Xonar and didn't really get much from that argument besides me liking Soup.

Leaning on disliking Ditzy for his entrance because he voted Xoni and then said Xoni/Fynal were coming off worse but did not explain it that much, but Xoni does have a point with Ditzy not knowing about the shot thing but for me, it's Ditzy, he literally could just brain-lapsed and walked into some freebie town points because he did the same in Shining Force II. Sooo he's null for now.

I also laughed at Kanty's entrance post. If you guys don't know, he used that gambit in Walgreens mafia and it seems like a joke post instead of a gambit or anything that no one would know about unless they knew about the game, i.e. RR could be the only one with logical knowledge of that game.

Anyways,

Unvote

So logically from each townies PoV, we have a 20% chance of lynching a nega-townie (1/5) but it's just the process of narrowing it down to who it could be. However we have like Yakuza stuff in this game which will just make things harder to read then before and just uuuugh. So let's get it right the first time and save us some headaches!

For me, I'm looking at a 25% odd ratio between Fynal/Ditzy/RR/Kanty because Soup is a lean-town atm and comfy with him at the current time.

Soup, talk to me about those four.

Fynal, tell me about Ditzy.

Town didn't like what Xonar did? That's great becuase I want to re-iterate that I would have NEVER done what he did, I am a saint and you love me. (Disregard later when I try to defend him because JD keeps tunneling me about it)

I also have no opinion for or against JD even after writing a paragraph about it, but would like to show you all that I'm involved in this game by citing percentages to make me look involved.

Xoni wasn't lying on his claim, jsyk haha.

I kind of like Fynal but I don't know for certain yet.

That would require taking sides or stances, and I'm not sure where I am right now.

If I am lynched, Ditzy, that is just silly logic because of two things.

1.) you lose a town PR
2.) I would have a possibility of turning into a negatownie which would hurt town's odds even more.

@Fynal: I can't convince you of why Xoni did what he did because I honestly don't agree with what he had to say but he just seemed gung-ho on Soup because Soup disagreed with his logic. Don't know what else to say really.

FUD about a mechanic that's true of every player and not just J.

You don't have to do anything Ditzy. "can't assume beside scum intent" what? That's not true at all and I don't get why you are trying to just focus on the scum-intent without looking for possible town intent.

Lynching my slot won't clear any air, in fact, it will probably fuddle it even more.

I'm not claiming either until it is 100% certain that it is that or get lynched.

FUD, maybe I'm important.

I can tell you that angle right now.

It was town angle. ;P

Your locked on mode of me "having" to go is silly and it does not make a lot of sense at all. Are my actions scummy? You haven't pointed this out but instead you keep clinging to the fact that Xoni was playing not that well as a reason for me to be lynched.

Xoni's actions were not that scummy but just wrong. The scummiest thing that he did was try and push a quick-lynch on Soup for not agreeing with him.

Ditzy, you also are not realizing the fact is that my lynch will not resolve things and will still keep a question mark over my head regardless of things. I am going to flip town, and then acquire a new role pm just like D1 again.

And it isn't "most likely" going to be that way. The day has just begun and not everyone is raving to lynch me like you+Fynal are and are actually trying to look for scum instead of this slot that had a bad start due to Xoni's theory.

FUD

In our last couple of games I have been able to read Ditzy every game correctly so I feel I have a good grasp on his play. (I.e. Celeb/Epic Rap Battle *nailed him as scum*, pushed him in his newbie because he was a town threat, and that's all we have really played) He is in my fav 3 because he is trying to warp town into the mentality that "J has to go" and there is no other option for toDay. He isn't really looking for scum-intent but trying to sweep things aside as "most beneficial" for town instead of actually who is scummiest in the game.

He is in my fav three because I don't like him this game and I know I'm town, I like Soup/Kanty as town and then the rest are PoE/don't like.

Attempts to make arbitrary reasons to trust him over me in the J vs JD discussion based on past games. Doesn't mention that he was scum in the Newbie 17 exchanges against me as town (who had him as scum).


Those are a few for starters.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote: JDietz43

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Tell ya what, Kantrip. You got my vote, where ya vote is where I vote, deal?

 

[Kantrip]

You're reaching.

It's clear you're still tunneling, and you came to those posts with "how can I use these to prove J is scum" rather than "what do I think of J from these". You're not looking at it objectively at all, and I hate it.

J, talk to me about this. Is it something he would do as town?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: JDietz43

Jerk. :< :<

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You made four points about FUD but did not do anything to tell us why it was FUD, you are literally reaching with your case and it's terribad. You are not out there to scumhunt anymore, you're out there to save your own ***.

 

[Kantrip]

Red Ruy, I want your vote on your biggest scumpick unless it hammers someone. I don't need it at the moment, but thanks for the gesture.

 

[Kantrip]

Soup and Fynal are town.

Red Ryu is a conundrum but I'm leaning towards town that is playing in a silly manner due to the nature of the game.

J is iffy.

Jdietz is disgusting.

 

[Jdietz43]

Soup, those FUD quotes are very self explanatory, I bolded the parts that apply.


Kantrip, probably. It's not a secret I've been on J for a long time. When I said "I won't be satisfied" at the beginning until he flips I pretty much meant it.

 

[#HBC | J]

Unvote
Vote: Ditzy

Back to square one.

 

[#HBC | J]

Soup and Fynal are town.

Red Ryu is a conundrum but I'm leaning towards town that is playing in a silly manner due to the nature of the game.

J is iffy.

Jdietz is disgusting.

Call me maybe?