Mini Mafia

[Fynal]

interesting



...soup, please answer me independently of everything else

do you think we should massclaim now/very soon, and why?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Sure, their opinion can be given, but a 4/6 majority is needed.

Soup I'm voting you and ignoring you until you tell me why we shouldn't massclaim.

Vote: Soup

I just ****ing did. How am I not being clear here.

I think Kantrip is bull****ting.
I don't think he would actually claim his role like this.
I doubt a negatownie would put themselves in the spotlight like that at first glance.
The way people use their roles are more telling than how they are claimed.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Now explain WHY THAT WOULD PREVENT US FROM MASSCLAIMING.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Because I don't want to ****ing do it? I'm done with this thread until Kantrip posts.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

LOL

so you admit that you have no reasons

**** you, you're scum who doesn't want to risk claiming, aren't you?

 

[Fynal]

@xonar

hypothetically, if we mass claim, would you volunteer to go first?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I literally laughed at that post.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I want Soup to go first regardless of circumstances right now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

What are you hiding Xonar? What's your intention in all this?

I'll agree to a massclaim if you claim first.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm not claiming first when I have an investigative role, you ****head. I'm here to keep people in check, so I have to go late.

There, your rolefishing worked. Can we lynch you now?

 

[Fynal]

unvote

not lynching anyone right now

multiple people who still need to post, for one thing

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'd vote you but it already seems to be there. You're an investagive role and you wanted a mass-claim. Were you going to use this massclaim as a way of choosing your targets?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

But only 1 is scum :v

Soup, you have no reason to oppose a mass claim, and your condition makes no sense. Die scum, die!

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

So you completely ignore any advance of trying to get you to talk and continue throwing little statements like opposing a mass-claim. Gotcha.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

lol@waving my statements off as "little".

Listen, Soup, you're scum. Get lynched.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It's pretty damn little to me, you have no opposition to talk here and the fact you keep pushing aside my questions and throw **** like this in my face is terrible. I really do doubt there be an investigative in this game, but that doesn't really matter here.

Are you going to cooperate now or are we gonna keep having this stupid argument?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

LOOOOOL doubting an investigative being in the game when someone who PROPOSED A MASS CLAIM says he is AN INVESTIGATIVE

I'll answer questions I deem worthy, which means that your unanswered questions are ****ty and, imo, count towards SoupScum :D

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

LOOOOOL doubting an investigative being in the game when someone who PROPOSED A MASS CLAIM says he is AN INVESTIGATIVE

I'll answer questions I deem worthy, which means that your unanswered questions are ****ty and, imo, count towards SoupScum :D

God, you are beyond unreasonable. You call my questions ****ty but refuse to answer them, I'm not playing to your damn agenda. Yeah and you yourself said that power-roles aren't indicating of alignment, what's your point of saying you're an investigative and trying to say that's your whole reason as to why it's true?

The only way I see an investigative working is one that is a one-shot, that's about it. In a game like this where Town has a 66% chance of coming back as town, it seems incredibly pointless.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Whatever dude. I'm done talking to you for tonight. The only thing I need to do to win is lynch you. You had ample opportunity to show that you're town, but you've failed time and time again.

You're once again dancing the issue and being an overall ****ty poster.

[collapse="yes this is dancing around the issue"]Yeah and you yourself said that power-roles aren't indicating of alignment, what's your point of saying you're an investigative and trying to say that's your whole reason as to why it's true?[/collapse]

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

What issue is here besides your own perogative. You're calllng me scum based on my refusal to massclaim, I'm trying to deduce logic to it and you completely ignore me and keep shoving **** like this in my face. I wanted to see if you had a reason to propose a mass-claim like you did, what you said on the surface wasn't telling enough and you had a reason to act the way you did. The more or less of what you give me is that you're an investigative and that apparently is the only lead I've got. You refuse to answer my questions, see my point of view, and being overall arrogant. It sucks that you couldn't have another sheep to this game right, Xonar?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I call you scum based on you failing to help town advance, asking empty questions, ignoring logic, dancing around issues and spreading doubt within a page of this game starting. I explained why I wanted to massclaim in the post I suggested it, don't think I pull friggin batman gambits every damn game, you overly suspicious poopyhead.

In this very post you are misconstruing my actions. "You refuse to [...] see my point of view". My ***.

I don't need a scum for sheep, Soup. I don't mind being arrogant, it's part of my game. I can lynch people on gusto and I will. The only issue here is that you, Ruy and Kantrip are all in the stage where you don't sheep for the sake of not sheeping, which is sucky for now and takes some belt-beating to get past.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

That's all for tonight, ladies.

I expect Soup dead tomorrow and the game won. If you're not on Soup from your next post onwards, I expect elaborate explanations for that. I've presented my evidence and it's clearly visible within his posts. If you disagree, reevaluate and look at it from my point of view. Catching scum is pretty easy.

While you're at it, ARRRR / No me hearty! for me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I call you scum based on you failing to help town advance, asking empty questions, ignoring logic, dancing around issues and spreading doubt within a page of this game starting. I explained why I wanted to massclaim in the post I suggested it, don't think I pull friggin batman gambits every damn game, you overly suspicious poopyhead.

In this very post you are misconstruing my actions. "You refuse to [...] see my point of view". My ***.

I don't need a scum for sheep, Soup. I don't mind being arrogant, it's part of my game. I can lynch people on gusto and I will. The only issue here is that you, Ruy and Kantrip are all in the stage where you don't sheep for the sake of not sheeping, which is sucky for now and takes some belt-beating to get past.

Town advance on your prerogative. This is what you've made the game into, more or less you give me what I want regardless if you refuse to answer me. Your logic is subjective, much like mine. I agree with your points in hindsight but the fact this burns you up brings me great joy, I don't ever mean to get this way either but at this point we're just not going to get along.

So that being said, deal with it.

 

[Jdietz43]

Vote: Xonar

Stop information hunting, we aren't mass-claiming without a good reason. I have no doubt the first negatownie in this game was given a role in which more information would be advantageous. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a killing role or at least something to spread negatown around with.

If you don't think roles are telling of alignment, why are you asking for them so soon?

 

[Jdietz43]

EBWOP: shiz, meganinja'd. Hold on, reading what I missed.

 

[Fynal]

dang lotsa posts

brb research

 

[Jdietz43]

Points stand.

Dislike Xonar and Fynal in this exchange.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Stop information hunting

Wat?

If you don't think roles are telling of alignment, why are you asking for them so soon?

Excuse me? Do you know what mafia is?
They are not telling of alignment, SO WE CAN OUT THEM AND COORDINATE THEM TO TOWN'S ADVANTAGE. The reason you don't claim doc in a game is because you can get shot, while we don't even know if that happens this game.

Gogdamn why are you stopping an information flow like this? gimme reasons, JD. Reasons.

 

[Jdietz43]

I like our PRs not being shot, and I don't like the way you went about this one bit. For what reason in a game where we "don't know" would I subject the town masses to the choice of a negatownie.

Do you honestly think Zen is going to make a game where town has some nice PRs we can use to break the game D1 and leave the negatownie without some sort of countermeasure? You're being dense Xonar, more dense than I'm willing to accept you being as town.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I like our PRs not being shot, and I don't like the way you went about this one bit. For what reason in a game where we "don't know" would I subject the town masses to the choice of a negatownie.

You assume there's a shot. Okay? Did you read the rules? Scum gets a chance to turn someone's flip to 66% scum and 33% town on N0. Do you REALLY think they'd accomplish that with a SHOT?


See, we want information. We need it. Still no valid reason to not massclaim.

Do you honestly think Zen is going to make a game where town has some nice PRs we can use to break the game D1 and leave the negatownie without some sort of countermeasure? You're being dense Xonar, more dense than I'm willing to accept you being as town.

This is experimental, JD. I 'broke' a previous game simply by not reading my PM. So what? That's how it goes. You're metaing the mod and using it as basis to suspect me, and it's a bad reason.

I honestly believe that you're a bad towny at this point.

Give me legit reasons to not mass claim, gogogogo!

 

[Jdietz43]

Well the fact that you've demanded this without reading the rules carefully is one thing.

It's 66% town, 33% scum. Not the other way around. You're also assuming that people were given roles at random to start the game with, which is terrible logic. The rules specify that reincarnated roles are given at random, not our starting roles. Zen would not make a game where the starting roles are subject to a random number generator giving town all the PRs and a vanilla goon, it's just not going to happen.

You're basically telling me you're ignoring the fact Kantrip already claimed a killing role, and still want PRs outed. Negatownie has something, and they're going to want to use it. I'm not just going to hand them all the options on a silver platter D1 without a fight.

 

[Jdietz43]

(yes, I know it's likely a gambit wrt Kantrip. But I doubt those types of roles aren't going to be common here)

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

JDietz confirmed town.

The original negatownie will be able to choose one player during a night 0 phase. That player will have a 66% chance of turning negatown if they are ever to be lynched or reincarnated.

We're mass claiming.

 

[Fynal]

fos xonar

because voting would put you at L-1

what you're telling me, xonar, is that you have an investigative role but would rather just instalynch soup and risk generating another scum instead of using it. if you really have such a role, its obviously a day action, so why wouldn't you use it ON SOUP?

also, on a less important note, you appear to be condemning soup for his arguing style despite having played with him before. this bothers me.

what i'm seeing here is xonar using his ability to pick 1 person and make them more likely to become mafia on soup, then going straight for a kill on soup (who tends to argue badly) and the massclaim is just icing on the cake.

JD, less setup wifom would be nice.

soup is null. his arguments suck in a soup-y manner, nothing interesting. his refusal to mass claim could just as easily be town protecting a powerful PR.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

>_>

Zen, requesting replacement, 100% serious here

Sorry, but you guys fail to understand the basic concepts of mafia and I refuse to explain it to every single one of you.

An investigative DOES NOT EQUAL COP, ******. Fynal, your META IS AGES OLD, GET OUT.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

My arguments haven't been bad. lmao.

 

[Fynal]

>_>

Zen, requesting replacement, 100% serious here

Sorry, but you guys fail to understand the basic concepts of mafia and I refuse to explain it to every single one of you.

An investigative DOES NOT EQUAL COP, ******. Fynal, your META IS AGES OLD, GET OUT.

calm the heck down

obviously it doesn't equal a cop, a cop would be a ridiculously powerful/gamebreaking PR in a 5v1.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

then why the hell do you even CONSIDER your argument? think for just a minute for ****s sake

 

[Fynal]

xonar, you want to massclaim so you can use your alleged PR. when soup doesnt want to go along, you instantly jump on him as #1 scum autolynch. THIS DOESNT WORK. the fact that he doesn't want to massclaim even though you say you have an investigative does not make him scum. have you considered him being town with a powerful PR?

i realize not all investigatives are cops. thats freaking obvious. what i don't understand is how instalynching soup could possibly make use of your investigative (which is obviously pretty good, given how bad you want a massclaim)

 

[Ramen King]

Looking for a replacement for Xonar