Mini Mafia

[#HBC | ZoZo]

The way you worded it seemed like you knew what scum's win condition was. Of course, one can be inferred based off the given context of the game, but I have no idea what scum's win condition says exactly. Which is why I asked.

I reached the conclusion of that going against my win condition from YOUR paragraph of text.
Sooo you're kinda ankle biting yourself here.

 

[Omni]

This is really awkwardly phrased. It's as if you're saying that your win condition is a scum win condition.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

We're working with hypothetical situations here, that's why.

 

[Omni]

I don't see how you think even in early game that your policy would be a better idea than, say, playing the game a reading people...

It's a good idea because if everyone is discouraged from early shooting/voting then we get to play a game based on reading people. I'm not sure how else to explain it.

 

[Omni]

We're working with hypothetical situations here, that's why.

You sure 'bout, 'dat?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Commit to something, Omni. You should be able to do that with your confidence, right?

 

[Omni]

Commit to something, Omni. You should be able to do that with your confidence, right?

There is nothing to commit to. I'm only asking you questions. Why are you so abrasive? Are you tense?

I do have another question.

I reached the conclusion of that going against my win condition from YOUR paragraph of text.

Which part?

 

[Omni]

Also, gotta' ask. What do you mean commit to something? And what do you mean my confidence? Are you suggesting I'm non-commital?

I've committed to the idea that we need to kill anyone who quick votes/lynches.

What have I said specifically that makes you think I am "confident"? I'm curious as to why you're using such a specific keyword.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Also, gotta' ask. What do you mean commit to something? And what do you mean my confidence? Are you suggesting I'm non-commital?

I'm suggesting that you keep implying you think I'm scum but there's never anything more.

I've committed to the idea that we need to kill anyone who quick votes/lynches.

:v player wise.

What have I said specifically that makes you think I am "confident"? I'm curious as to why you're using such a specific keyword.

The fact that you've hinted multiple times that you think I'm scum.

There is nothing to commit to. I'm only asking you questions. Why are you so abrasive? Are you tense?

I love it when you do useless things like this. Good job bro.

Which part?

The part where it said that scum mainly profits from not reading their PM.

 

[Omni]

I'm poking at your brains. I haven't come to any conclusion that you are scum, but I am genuinely curious if you are scum or not.

You didn't answer the part where I asked you about why you used the term "confident".

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Well you kept asking me if I'm sure, implying that you're sure of the opposite.

 

[Omni]

Well you kept asking me if I'm sure, implying that you're sure of the opposite.

Asking if you are sure does not imply that I am sure of the opposite, Xonar. Your comment, to me, was simply suspicious.

I think you are being too defensive considering I am not on the offense. I also think it's weird that you would want me commit to a stance on you so early in the game. I feel like you're trying to intimidate me. But I don't know why you would want to do that.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

If you use a smirk smiley it does imply you are confident in the opposite, Omni.


I'm intimidating you? Now it's your turn to elaborate.

 

[Omni]

The smirk smiley is simply a smirk smiley.

You have an interesting way of saying that certain things imply certain things as if it was an absolute.

Commit to something, Omni. You should be able to do that with your confidence, right?

Is what I mean by intimidation. You are telling me that I need "commit" to the idea of you being scum because you believe that is what I am implying. Intimidating is any attempt to get a person to do what you want them to do usually driven with fear of some kind of consequence.

Regardless.

I have not implied that you are scum.
I have not implied that I am confident.
I think you draw absolutes from scenarios that are not definitive.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

And why is that? Because you're not giving me anything definitive. That's why.

 

[Omni]

Yes.
Nothing is definitive at the moment.
But you are drawing absolute conclusions.

I'm not sure if this is a language barrier or not. Your absolutes:

- Omni is confident.
- Omni is implying that I am scum.
- Omni using a smirk face is implying that he is confident.

None of these are the case. Yet, you have drawn these conclusions based off evidence that is not definitive. That is my quarrel with you at the moment.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm just throwing observations on the table. Who says my conclusions are definitive? They're subject to change. It's just that I haven't seen reason to change them.

 

[Omni]

*Sigh.* I really don't think I am getting through to you.

Implying that a smirk means I'm confident.
Implying that I think you are scum.
Stating that I am being non-commital.

The observations are conclusions. But none of my actions have definitive for you to reach those conclusions. Why?

- A smirk smiley =/= confidence.
- I have not implied that you are scum.
- I have committed.

So your observations/conclusions have either just been wrong and/or the implications are confusing.

 

[Omni]

ebwop: have been definitive for*

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

No, you are getting through to me.

You have to realize that I have no reason to believe your explanations are more likely to be true than my observations, though.
Even then, in case of you committing for example, you simply chose to ignore the fact that I was talking player-wise. nawimean?

 

[Omni]

Player-wise? I've already said there is nothing to commit to although this conversation has changed that.

Also, I don't mind if you don't believe my explanations, but a smirk face correlating to confidence is not conclusive. These aren't explanations. This is me stating that you are making implications and drawing what you believe is "truth" from non-conclusive factors.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

You're making me run in circles again. You have to work on that sometime.

 

[Omni]

Lol, okay.

I don't think you clearly understand what is being said, but that's fine.

 

[#HBC | J]

Players, can I please get you guys to quote your role PM and send it to me on my J account. Thank you very much!

Vote Count:

Omni: ()
Xonar: ()
X1-12: ()

Not Voting: Omni, Xonar, X1-12

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

You should be able to know what I am after you get the other two

 

[#HBC | J]

You should be able to know what I am after you get the other two

Xonar, please follow the rules. <3 I need them all regardless.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I don't remember there being a rule that I have to read my PM or send it to you.

If it's been made while I was playing then you can realize why that's bull.

 

[#HBC | J]

Please don't make this difficult and please just send me your role pm because I can't get onto the Axel account at the time because I am having trouble getting into it at the moment. So players just do me this small favour? ^^"

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

:v have you even been reading this game?

 

[#HBC | J]

That really doesn't concern/nor matter to me haha. I'm just modding this. =P

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm not sending my PM. Replace me out if you care that much.

 

[Omni]

Well, my interest in this game has plummeted.

 

[Omni]

I'm not sending my PM. Replace me out if you care that much.

Not sure why you're being so uncooperative.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm not sending my PM. Replace me out if you care that much.

Not a part of this game, but quit being a jerk off and send him the PM. That kind of behavior is bothersome and blatantly disrespectful to someone who doesn't deserve that kind of treatment.

 

[X1-12]

@Xonie:

There's a reason why I'm only focusing on you. You see, there are three players this game. I'm town as long as I don't read my role PM (after which I might still be town), which means that scum is between Omni and X1-12. That means I just need a solid read on one of the two slots and then town has won, it's that simple. I've never played with X1 before so why bother spending time trying to read him? I'll just read you.

If you were playing like this as you claim then what do you have to lose from it being known that you've now read your role PM? Even if you turned up as scum you would still have looked town previously and this would be good for you.

Sooo say I am actually scum, wouldn't I go against my win condition my reading my role PM?
I don't want to take that risk

Why are you playing these odds, knowing that you have a 2/3 chance of being town? I would also argue that not reading your role PM is bad for town if you are town, as you are in a position where everything you have to do you have to worry about the possibility of being scum at that time.

I'm just throwing observations on the table. Who says my conclusions are definitive? They're subject to change. It's just that I haven't seen reason to change them.

@Bolded: You imply exactly that in this exchange just before:

I think you draw absolutes from scenarios that are not definitive.

And why is that? Because you're not giving me anything definitive. That's why.

@Omni: What did you actually expect to gain from asking Xonar what the scum wincon was?

The way you worded it seemed like you knew what scum's win condition was. Of course, one can be inferred based off the given context of the game, but I have no idea what scum's win condition says exactly. Which is why I asked.

Same with when Xonar said he was talking hypothetically and you were saying "you sure 'bout dat?" - You're clearly going to gain absolutely nothing so I don't get why you're asking these questions

Player-wise? I've already said there is nothing to commit to although this conversation has changed that.

You're still not really committing, you're implying you are beginning to find Xonar scum. If you're gonna make a stance be definite about where you stand please.

 

[Omni]

X1, you still there?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

If you were playing like this as you claim then what do you have to lose from it being known that you've now read your role PM? Even if you turned up as scum you would still have looked town previously and this would be good for you.

It's just a decision that was made. I decided to play a game without reading my role PM. I think it helped us so far, don't you agree?

Why are you playing these odds, knowing that you have a 2/3 chance of being town? I would also argue that not reading your role PM is bad for town if you are town, as you are in a position where everything you have to do you have to worry about the possibility of being scum at that time.

Not really. You are correct on the odds, sure, but 1/3rd is still a big risk to take. In terms of the game, it is bad for nobody to not read it. I don't have to worry about being scum, because if I am scum, I just have to kill someone. If I am town, I just have to kill the scum. See where I'm going?

Either way, for even if I was scum, you'll get better content off of me as long as I'm playing schrodingers.

@Bolded: You imply exactly that in this exchange just before:

True. I imply that I draw absolutes because absolutes are more powerful than variables. You understand that much, right?

 

[X1-12]

No I don't agree you not reading your role PM has helped "us" - Who do you refer to there? Town? I assume by extension you mean yourself and I being the town players? If not the explain who "us" is in the above

Don't have time to respond to the middle point

True. I imply that I draw absolutes because absolutes are more powerful than variables. You understand that much, right?

Yes but why would you think its at all a good idea to instead of making Omni give you his absolutes, just manufacturing some from what you think he was saying?


@Omni no sorry rushing to dinner now, will be on later, like in 2/3/4 hours time probably

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

No I don't agree you not reading your role PM has helped "us" - Who do you refer to there? Town? I assume by extension you mean yourself and I being the town players? If not the explain who "us" is in the above

us means the three players.
There's been talk about it, which produced content. Not to mention, if I am really scum, you'll get more information out of someone genuinely scumhunting, right?

Yes but why would you think its at all a good idea to instead of making Omni give you his absolutes, just manufacturing some from what you think he was saying?

wat?

 

[X1-12]

us means the three players.
There's been talk about it, which produced content. Not to mention, if I am really scum, you'll get more information out of someone genuinely scumhunting, right?

No. We're missing tons of information about your alignment because you won't be able to drop tells, the people who I can now get reads on has been halved. Furthermore I have no assurance that you actually haven't read your role PM, you could well have read it and be pretending not to, which means your "scumhunting" could easily be you trying to incriminate Omni

wat?

Yes I agree that definitive conclusions are better than variables, but you are drawing conclusions from Omni's play that aren't necessarily true - You're creating an absolute conclusion about what Omni is saying without actually knowing if that is what he actually means