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[#HBC | Gorf]

Let me ask - are we scum or do you just not like our play?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

If you guys thought trg maf why were you so adamantly against lynching him since fypov if you were right game still wouldn't end and we could actually get a lynch town agreed witj

Because we didn't think he was scum. I did.

 

[Orboknown]

I think you are scum.

 

[Orboknown]

Okay@ninja

 

[Xivii]

You don't think I'm mafia and know very well I don't have the ability to play this way as mafia.

I really don't see why gorf and gheb have you as town when you're deliberately being this hard headed.

 

[Orboknown]

You don't think I'm mafia and know very well I don't have the ability to play this way as mafia.

i do and you do

I really don't see why trg and gheb have you as town when you're deliberately being this hard headed.

Fixed to show my pov

 

[Orboknown]

There's way too much me vs zord and not enough other interactions. Dietz needs to talk and trg needs to comment on stuff that isn't rake and dietz

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@orbo can you hammer rake now?

 

[Orboknown]

@orbo can you hammer rake now?

Nope

 

[Xivii]

Seriously whether you're mafia or town you're being manipulated by him. What did I call them in gs3, duo players? Yeah they actually suck at reading each other lol.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@orbo please?

 

[Xivii]

Orbo from every players point of view, everyone else has an equal chance at being scum. Except in this set up its actually different. I doubt anyone else here is able to understand this concept of probability, but once someone claims doc or gov, they have a 2/3 chance of being town. They are weighted towards town more than a vt claim. But as I said this is not something you're likely to understand. Dgamers in general really don't seem to know how to go about new set and open set ups. They go about the game the same way they go about any other closed mafia set up. It's all they know how to draw on even in the face of new situations and mechanics. So the natural reaction to that math is to be based on ones rock solid concepts from closed set up mafia. The natural intuition from that is despite a doc or gov claim, the players still have an equal possibility of being scum. This is just utterly and completely incorrect. You are helpless in this. It's why town had No chance of winning Fire Emblem, No chance of winning Deathnote, and No chance of winning this game.

 

[Orboknown]

@orbo please?

Nope
Zen I get that logic. I really do. But hen I weight trgs claim and yours against how you are playing andI just dont see your claim outweighing your play

 

[The Real Gamer]

Yes, a player can be both the doctor and the naive lynchee.

The doctor role is assigned to 1 random, non-mafia-aligned player.

The naive lynchee role is assigned to 1 random, town-aligned player.

Self voting is out of the question for me now out of fear of Rake being lyncher. If I'm lynched it'll have to be because you guys want it to happen.

Zorf is maf. Proof is him being so scared of me being lyncher and him all but claiming it three times. As maf gov he can't risk that im not a lyncher and getting trg is endgame for him.

TRG still likely to be indy, his play reeks , especially as a claimed self protecting doctor, he should be trying to draw the NK, not hide behind his play like scum.

Oh lord... OK Rake lets pause for a moment and PRETEND I'm cleared as town... Who's the next most likely to be Indy and why?

Also, Rake can definitely go. I still don't think his reads are genuine or make sense. Why would scumgovernor Zen cockblock the lynch of "obvscum" indydocTRG?

This is exactly what I was saying earlier but apparently I was off my rocker according to Orbo.

I think you are scum.

Same question goes to you Orbo: I flip town who's your text most likely Indy target (other than Zorf since they're you're Mafia read).

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@orbo pretty please?

 

[The Real Gamer]

It's me, Zorf, Gheb vs Orbo, Rake, Dietz.

On side adamant about lynching me, other side adamant to lynch Rake. Neither sides showing sides of budging.

We gotta reach common ground somehow here guys.

 

[The Real Gamer]

The Real Typo strikes again... signs*

 

[The Real Gamer]

To everyone trying to take weigh the possibilities of me vs Rake in terms of who's Indy: Please take note note of how desperately Rake still wants me gone despite the fact that he has a 4/5 chance of lynching the Town Doctor.

I'm over being angry about Rake's play and will entertain the idea of lynching someone else if I'm convinced enough.

 

[Orboknown]

Probably take another hard look at rake and gheb.
No gorf

 

[Xivii]

But how is it that I'm playing?? You haven't explained. The governor persona was fun and games, but what I said is really how we should be playing this game. Gorf wanted to play (my slot in particular) because he saw himself my logic and how ridiculous you guys were being towards it.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Another angle for town to consider: even if the small probability that I AM Indy Doctor is true, I can still be a valuable asset to town since I can still potentially block NKs.

I just don't see why lynching me D1 is the good play at this point.

 

[Orboknown]

But how is it that I'm playing?? You haven't explained. The governor persona was fun and games, but what I said is really how we should be playing this game. Gorf wanted to play (my slot in particular) because he saw himself my logic and how ridiculous you guys were being towards it.

I don't like how you played this day because halting all lynches but.yours us incredibly antitown and pretty scummy. Youre tunneling like hell and your two picks conveniently happen to be the people opposing you the hardest. You've done your best to clear yourself of Indy but not of being scum.

 

[Orboknown]

Another angle for town to consider: even if the small probability that I AM Indy Doctor is true, I can still be a valuable asset to town since I can still potentially block NKs.

I just don't see why lynching me D1 is the good play at this point.

Lyncher is a greater threat than mafia due to the fact that he can endgame from d1. Towns wincon is to lynch all non town entities and that includes indies.
You aren't the play today zord is

 

[The Real Gamer]

Youre tunneling like hell and your two picks conveniently happen to be the people opposing you the hardest.

Message to Orbo... Your bias is showing.

You do realize this is exactly what Rake has been doing, right? I'm his Indy read and Zorf's his Mafia read.

 

[The Real Gamer]

I'm not lynching Zorf D1. Everyone else is fair game.

Absolutely no reason for him to be so adamant about blocking my lynch + his willingness to clear me as Town Doctor.

 

[Xivii]

I don't like how you played this day because halting all lynches but.yours us incredibly antitown and pretty scummy. Youre tunneling like hell and your two picks conveniently happen to be the people opposing you the hardest. You've done your best to clear yourself of Indy but not of being scum.

The fact that you don't see the logic is exactly what I'm talking about in people not being able to play to new mechanics and open set ups. It's the governors responsibility in this set up to make the lynch decision so long as lyncher is alive. It doesn't matter at all that I ZEN happen to be the governor. The governor should be followed no matter who it was. I don't value my reads more than others. I value the governors LYNCH CHOICE more than others. I just happen to BE the governor. The fact that no one else but gorf can see that is exactly why we're going to lose.

 

[The Real Gamer]

The fact that you don't see the logic is exactly what I'm talking about in people not being able to play to new mechanics and open set ups. It's the governors responsibility in this set up to make the lynch decision so long as lyncher is alive. It doesn't matter at all that I ZEN happen to be the governor. The governor should be followed no matter who it was. I don't value my reads more than others. I value the governors LYNCH CHOICE more than others. I just happen to BE the governor. The fact that no one else but gorf can see that is exactly why we're going to lose.

Only way you're getting lynched D1 is if Gheb deems it as necessary.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

My main mafia pick was TRG up until he claimed doc. I'm thrown between Orbo and Dietz atm cuz I'm personally town reading you. I think Zen is feeling strong on Orbo maf, but we'll reach a more conclusive read together come Night.

I'm awaiting your response then.

 

[Orboknown]

Message to Orbo... Your bias is showing.

You do realize this is exactly what Rake has been doing, right? I'm his Indy read and Zorf's his Mafia read.

you scumread rake after he got on you.i believe his zen stuff emerged outside of zens push on him because zen actually switched off of him onto me and only switched back when rake started going after him

I'm not lynching Zorf D1. Everyone else is fair game.

Absolutely no reason for him to be so adamant about blocking my lynch + his willingness to clear me as Town Doctor.

Zord hard defends you for town points and to.put you into his pocket plus your reads agree with his. Boom done

 

[Orboknown]

The fact that you don't see the logic is exactly what I'm talking about in people not being able to play to new mechanics and open set ups. It's the governors responsibility in this set up to make the lynch decision so long as lyncher is alive. It doesn't matter at all that I ZEN happen to be the governor. The governor should be followed no matter who it was. I don't value my reads more than others. I value the governors LYNCH CHOICE more than others. I just happen to BE the governor. The fact that no one else but gorf can see that is exactly why we're going to lose.

I don't trust your reads to be more accurate or more correct than mine nor do u find you to be town so shove that logic down a chasm and stop bringing it up because i give no ****s about it.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

But how is it that I'm playing?? You haven't explained. The governor persona was fun and games, but what I said is really how we should be playing this game. Gorf wanted to play (my slot in particular) because he saw himself my logic and how ridiculous you guys ARE being towards it.

Fix'd that for ya.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Orbo, is Zen mafia or indy?

Also, anybody who takes Zen serious at this point should stop doing so. Just accept that he's not scum for the time being and ignore him. He's not a play toDay and the less you deal with him the easier it'll be to actually hunt scum.

 

[Orboknown]

Mafia gheb. The fact that he is going to shut out our lynches in favor of his own also makes me want to lynch him to free control of our lynch to the majority

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I don't like how you played this day because halting all lynches but.yours us incredibly antitown and pretty scummy.

No it's not. It's the right thing to do if you want a lynch to go through at all. The whole game DESERVES to be "lynch who the governor agrees to lynch," since, like you said, lyncher can endgame D1. I came in hoping to relax the crowd and work with town to make a proper lynch. That's not going to happen if the governor doesn't agree with you, because the governor has the power to halt any lynch you may want to proceed with. Simple. As. That.

 

[Xivii]

Rake was never going after me. He had me as town until recently?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Mafia gheb. The fact that he is going to shut out our lynches in favor of his own also makes me want to lynch him to free control of our lynch to the majority

I still don't think he'll actually shut down any lynch except TRG, which I am OK with.

Who's indy then?

I'm currently leaning Rake lyncher, Dietz scum, Zen VI but if you can convince people to lynch Zen you will actually have to try. I don't actually see you do it though, you're just making a lot of noise about it.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Really though, are people actually expecting a mafia gov? That would make the game literally unwinnable for town because mafia gov can simply prevent his death forever - the only alternative would be a successful lyncher win. I don't think we should speculate on that because it'll help us none.

 

[Orboknown]

No it's not. It's the right thing to do if you want a lynch to go through at all. The whole game DESERVES to be "lynch who the governor agrees to lynch," since, like you said, lyncher can endgame D1. I came in hoping to relax the crowd and work with town to make a proper lynch. That's not going to happen if the governor doesn't agree with you, because the governor has the power to halt any lynch you may want to proceed with. Simple. As. That.

**** that ****. It's fundamentally against towns interest to put the entire games power into one persons hands especially when he could be scum. Towns weapon is a majority lynch not a sniper rifle in one persons hands

Rake was never going after me. He had me as town until recently?

I'm pretty sure he's at least considered it most of the game considering we've been going at it less than sixty hours iirc

 

[Xivii]

Well you're wrong. He stated pretty strongly that he had me as town.

 

[Orboknown]

I still don't think he'll actually shut down any lynch except TRG, which I am OK with.

Who's indy then?

I'm currently leaning Rake lyncher, Dietz scum, Zen VI but if you can convince people to lynch Zen you will actually have to try. I don't actually see you do it though, you're just making a lot of noise about it.

TRG. How he went about his claim regardless of the claim and his hesitancy to answer rakes questions makes me take a hard look at him sideways

Really though, are people actually expecting a mafia gov? That would make the game literally unwinnable for town because mafia gov can simply prevent his death forever - the only alternative would be a successful lyncher win. I don't think we should speculate on that because it'll help us none.

mafia gov can't stop his own lynch