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[S'all Good Man]

Ran I think Gheb and Xat are scum!

Ran what gives you initial scum vibes of Hardbody Warrior/Dietz?

Gheb! I have trouble reading him, and he's almost never helpful as either alignment.

From what exactly?

Nothing really. I was simply randomly FOS'ing. Consider them null for now. I'll give a harder read once we are deeper into early game.

Aight.

What's up with the persona? Reminds me of Vandy.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Willing to ignore Ryu until he gives me a reason to take him serious.



Ryu: "Hey @ Xatres I think you rolled scum based on nothing. I also wanna know who you think is scum based on nothing."
Xatres: "Uhhh, I can't answer that because there's nothing to base things on yet @ #HBC | Red Ryu ."
Ryu: "Wow, that's a very defensive response and I don't like it."

**** outa here.

also things like this make me think you didn't read into how and why I asked him that.

There is a reason I ask people these kinds of questions, I care less for the answer and more about how they answer me.

 

[S'all Good Man]

Gut feeling on your posts.

What posts gave you these gut feelings? Especially on Dietz, as he has only just posted. I don't see what gut feeling you could get from him.

 

[S'all Good Man]

Real like, or fake like?

Fake like. I like it simply because it progresses the game, but it isn't enough to garner a read on him. Yet it was all I had to give at the time.

 

[S'all Good Man]

**** outa here.

How does this affect your read on Ryu? What is your read on ryu?

 

[S'all Good Man]

@ S'all Good Man

why you such a hater bro? mad that i have more swag than you?

Chill, I'm not really hating on you. Pfft, yeah right.

 

[S'all Good Man]

Ryu I saw you here. TALK TO ME.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You are my strongest town read.

Dietz's is null, for some reason I put Vinyl/Dietz as a hydra over Ran when I responded back to him as him posting off hydra. I should have known better on this because Vinyl/Dietz is Doge and I hate that meme.

I don't like how Gheb has responded on the Xatres situation.

I don't like how Xatres responded to me but I have a habbit of reading his posts as scum in every game I am with him.

 

[S'all Good Man]

Hmmmmm. That makes sense. I was wondering why you just put it as Vinyl. I was like "Dafuq? Ok. Fine. Vinyl gets all the credit. :

"

No further questions.

 

[Xatres]

You're boring. So are you going to just sit there and let the game progress on it's own without you helping to form it? What do you think of the recent discussion between me and Ryu?

Yes, that's how I intend to play.

 

[Jdietz43]

Dietz's is null, for some reason I put Vinyl/Dietz as a hydra over Ran when I responded back to him as him posting off hydra. I should have known better on this because Vinyl/Dietz is Doge and I hate that meme.

Lolol, as I should be at this point. I was about to start railing on you for throwing a town gut read after a single post.

Fake like. I like it simply because it progresses the game, but it isn't enough to garner a read on him. Yet it was all I had to give at the time.

Good, because "real like" would have been too far for just that post full of probe questions for the same reasons as above.

also things like this make me think you didn't read into how and why I asked him that.

There is a reason I ask people these kinds of questions, I care less for the answer and more about how they answer me.

If that's the case do you think Sworddancer is reading?

Yes, that's how I intend to play.

The man asked a second question dawg

 

[~ Gheb ~]

also things like this make me think you didn't read into how and why I asked him that.

There is a reason I ask people these kinds of questions, I care less for the answer and more about how they answer me.

I was waiting for that kind of response. But I'm *not* gonna be waiting for your approach to once again lead nowhere. There may very well be a reason you ask these kind of questions but there's also a reason why I feel the need to intervene here. After what happened during D1 last game and how it ended up affecting the rest of the game, I'm not gonna just watch the exact course of action unfold now.

How does this affect your read on Ryu? What is your read on ryu?

It's not a good approach but it seems more authentic than what he did to Nabe last game. I'm sure the Vinyl head of your hydra would agree with me here as he also played that game. It's a slight hint towards Ryu either being town or him having learned his lesson from last game. I'm inclined to think its the former for now.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@ Xatres

There's enough to talk about right now. No johns. What do you think about my evaluation of Ryu's play so far? What do you make of him "not liking" my response?

@ #HBC | Dancer

Relevant info is that I'm leaning town on Ryu and Goodman. The former I've covered in my previous post and the latter has legit tried to get some discussion going. It's hard to really gain a scumread though because there's too many people that haven't said a whole lot yet, including yourself. Then you have HBW, Xatres and kinda Dietz who just made his first post with a little bit of content ... that's more than half of the game that still has to take a legit stance on anything.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Yes, that's how I intend to play.

I can promise you that you will die toDay if you actually do this.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

From what exactly?

Nothing really. I was simply randomly FOS'ing. Consider them null for now. I'll give a harder read once we are deeper into early game.

Aight.

What's up with the persona? Reminds me of Vandy.

Nothing! They were random picks, which is what you asked for silly.

I was actually going more for Kat, but Vandie is a pretty close guess.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

If that's the case do you think Sworddancer is reading?

What indication gives you the impression that I'm not?

@ Jdietz43 @ Hardbody Warrior : Thoughts on Xat? What do you make of his deliberate lack of effort?

@ Xatres : Believe it or not, you do not have a vote this game! As a result, your opinion isn't so valuable! It's not terribly important for you to be right, so I would hope that you would help to direct your king to making the correct decision?

 

[S'all Good Man]

Ran side here. Will post tomorrow. Will say it stagnated a bit here.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Pretty sure we're about to approach deadline soonish.

@ Xatres
@ Jdietz43
@ Hardbody Warrior

You guys *must* contribute soon. I absolutely do not want King to have to resort to lynching an inactive player, let alone on Day 1. I'd rather have something to hold him accountable for.

 

[Jdietz43]

What indication gives you the impression that I'm not?

@ Jdietz43 @ Hardbody Warrior : Thoughts on Xat? What do you make of his deliberate lack of effort?

I read you giving Ran names in your response to him despite him already outing that he was doing it at random in his 4168 as an indication you may not have been reading. On another read though he literally asks for random reads in the first post, which I missed, so it's just playing along. I figured if you knew he was doing it at random after the fact you wouldn't bother with it, but that's not how it was. (the irony when you're the one not reading things right)


Xatres said he was going to armchair more after his experience last time so it's not out of expectations and is probably true on the surface. But that's not a reason to keep him based on his play so far. That'd be an easy pre-meditated reason to contribute little as scum and though I'd say condemning him solely for his reaction to Ryu is a reach, he's refused to give opinions twice in a row now which is concerning. That's not something we can work with. You don't have to outright refuse to speak to play a more laid back game, that seems to reflect more on an unwillingness to approach the thread than a want to return to a playstyle who doesn't actively drive the thread.


I'm inclined to agree with Gheb about Ryu and Good Man for now on the surface of things. At first I had some concerns that Ryu was doing the same thing he just did in my game by naming clears early, but the fact he confused me with the Vinyl/Ran hydra cleared most of that up. I'd prefer if he had some stated reasons on Good Man to really seal that possibility away, but I'm gut reading the same way (pending change on massive hydra discog scum reveal or something)

 

[Jdietz43]

Relevant info is that I'm leaning town on Ryu and Goodman. The former I've covered in my previous post and the latter has legit tried to get some discussion going. It's hard to really gain a scumread though because there's too many people that haven't said a whole lot yet, including yourself. Then you have HBW, Xatres and kinda Dietz who just made his first post with a little bit of content ... that's more than half of the game that still has to take a legit stance on anything.

Gheb, what's different about this game to change your usual policy of rarely outing town reads? Do you feel it's naturally more valuable to town in a kingmaker or do you have particularly strong reads?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

It's not so much the Kingmaker setup itself but more the fact that outing town reads is generally more viable in very small setups like these imo. Once you've outed your ~2.5 scumreads in a 7-man setup the rest of your reads should be rather trivial to deduce anyway. In that case it's probably better to just give it all away and make things easier for the rest of the townies [or the king in this game's case].
And it's not like I had a whole lot of scumreads to out at the time Sword asked me for my reads - I still don't.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

What happened last game that's supposedly influencing Gheb's and Xatres's actions right now?

Tbh I kinda wanted to hold back my opinions this game since as king it's more important for me to be right then it is for me to simply have an opinion. I didn't want people molding their reads around mine, instead I wanted to mold my reads around the actions of others. However with deadline approaching and inactives about I'm going to have to take a stand here, hopefully something that will get you ******* talking. Furthermore IF I am right with my shooting toDay then there is a very real chance I might die toNight so I feel a duty to try to steer my fellow town brethren straight.

First off lets start with an easy one, S'all Good. Basically as always Ran ends up being an easy slot to read. His intentions to scum hunt are crystal clear to me, and that's all there is to it. If you want an example then I guess I can give it but I feel most people would agree with me here making it unneeded.

Lets go to RR next. RR is a bit trickier than Ran. I want say town, but a bit of paranoia installed into me from Zen's mini game holds me back. Scum RR that game tunneled the **** of of players, and I'm a bit worried that might be what's happening here wrt Xat. What I need to do is determine rather or not RR's attack on Xat is genuine or not. Now, first I take into consideration that in Zen's game he was an indie who looked very townie, HOWEVER he also suspected that game that there WERE mafiso to hunt. So perhaps maybe the paranoia is a bit unfounded. I mean, he DID look super ****ing townie, but only because he himself thought that there were other scum to hunt. If he's an assassin now, then he knows (due to the nature of this being an open set up) that there are no other scum to hunt, he's on his own. Furthermore, looking at his attack on Xat, I can conclude that it was pretty much a justified response. I mean, rather or not you agree that Xat was being defensive, you can definitely see why Ryu might have come to that conclusion. Last of all, I agree with the other players who have spoke on Ryu that he has been taking initiative to generate content, which I wouldn't say is in of itself really a townie action, but the way that he did it looks good. Overall definitely getting a town read from this slot.

Gheb is a slot that I'm having a bit of trouble reading. Basically, I'm simply trying to determine rather or not he's posting from a genuine mindset. Really it's quite difficult, because I don't have a whole lot to work with here. On one hand, some of his responses to people just feel mechanical. I mean, ****, the way Gheb talks he always feels mechanical. His 4218, while it does contain a true enough message, is especially an offender of this. It just feels, well, put on to me. It's just his efforts to get people to talk feel a bit half-hearted to me. When it comes to other things Gheb has posted, there's nothing really note worthy. His interactions with Ryu are questionable, as I'm curious if he really interevened for the reasons he stated. His town reads on Ryu and Ran are fine and understandable, if not terribly telling in of itself because those are easy town reads for scum. His posts, for the most part, do seem like he's just being himself. Is Gheb just being himself? *task* Might have to get back to him.

Xatres is a slot that I could definitely see as scum. Simply put, Xatres town is MUCH more active than this. Xatres town ALWAYS has something to say, but as scum he tends to have trouble coming up with content. Like, his active refusal to do anything almost seems too scummy to be true. I'm WIFOMing myself about rather or not scum would post like that, knowing full well how bad it looks, especially when only one person has the gun. Now, I don't know what happened last game or whatever, but I do agree with Dietz that it's an easy front to use to not participate. More than just that, I would think that Xatres as town would see that he's being such a determent by not participating. Like, if he's town then he needs to realize that he's doing literally no one any favors by doing this. It's a tad bit frustrating for me, because I don't want to kill him just for him to flip butthurt townie when as town it's SOOOO ****ing easy to read him when he just posts what's on his mind.

I also want to state that I didn't like Xatres response Ran. The thing is, it IS true that there is no content to work from. However, I feel like, if you were a townie typing that out, then the next natural thought you would have is "Oh, well, since no content is a problem, lets try to produce some!" It's strange, but I'm actually drawing similarities between Xatres's play now and PJB's scum play in Elements, just in the sense that both players chose the easy path. PJB chose to AtE defend himself all Day for not having any reads, rather then actually try to produce those reads that he sorely needed. In the same sense, it's easy for Xat to simply complain about the lack of content, but it doesn't read as someone who is trying to find scum nor does it read as natural for him.

Finally, Jdietz. Jdietz had a slow start this (don't like) and honestly I don't really like his 4211. He literally does NOTHING productive with that post, besides apply a teensy bit of pressure on Xat to get him to answer. I find it extraordinarily unnecessary for him to have even bothered with the first three quotes. His 4219 is much better though. It gives me a good peek into his mind and plus it helps justify his 4211 a little bit wrt why he even bothered quoting RR. Overall I liked that post as it gave me the impression that he's legit thinking about things, which is always good.

Hardbody Warrior is just flat out inactive and thus flat out null. Might very well shoot him toDay on policy.

Could see Xatres as scum with any of Hardbody/Gheb/Dietz (to a lesser extent Dietz).

town:

S'all Good

town lean:

RR
JDietz

null:

Gheb
Hardbody Warrior

scum lean:

Xatres

 

[Hardbody Warrior]

vote jdietz

please execute him today dancer

 

[Hardbody Warrior]

@ #HBC | Red Ryu

updated reads please. who would you like to see lynched today?

@ Xatres

anything of value?

im confused as to why people are townreading ruy?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Deadline is in ~32 hrs

 

[Hardbody Warrior]

@ #HBC | Red Ryu

why look but not post? come out to play

 

[Hardbody Warrior]

aw **** its sall

i eagerly await my interrogation

 

[S'all Good Man]

Yeah be scared

At the moment I don't have any... wait. I lied.

What's got you scumreading JD?

 

[Hardbody Warrior]

actually im rereading this later today but ive been thinking about **** and

id LOVE to see ruy die today. lets kill him instead please

vote red ruy

 

[S'all Good Man]

I don't get it. I tried re-reading and I don't really get ryu/jd scum.

All I see is Xatres intentionally not doing **** for some reason. I see no reason for Xat to do this but for us to go "Hey he's prolyy not scum cuz scum wouldn't do that" or something.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@ #HBC | Red Ryu

why look but not post? come out to play

Trying to fix my internet, I'll work on this when I set-up all the phones and the router I was tampering with.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I feel better about Gheb with his 2 recent posts, he still irks me from his recent posts back at me.

Sworddancer is fine, his lengthly post is very good.

I don't see Dietz scum from his more recent posts.

Ran/Vinyl obvious town.

Marshy could go either way, leaning more town here.

Xatres is the best play today and is scum.

@ #HBC | Dancer execute Xatres please.

 

[S'all Good Man]

I agree, Xat is the best play ToDay. I don't think a townie would wait that long to avoid the rvs/mid-game. Seems like he may try to be playing to be null.

 

[Hardbody Warrior]

iight i reread

please kill xat. i thought ruy was scum for throwing out ****tyass townreads for no reason like he did this other game we were buddies so i wanted to lynch him cuz i thought we could just get easy clears if he flipped scum and if he flipped town i wanted to lynch jdietz for asking ******** questions that had nothing to do with finding scum. but when i read i realized that xat is MUCH worse when it comes to refusing to even try to find scum. if hes town **** him for playing like a ***** and we go back to jd/ruy tomo

xat dies. i dunno who i wanna go after him on a scumflip

vote xatres

 

[Hardbody Warrior]

@ ~ Gheb ~

thoughts on dancer/ruy/jd please

 

[S'all Good Man]

I agree but I'd prolly actually look at Hardbodywarrior if Xat flips scum. For serious this time.

Hardbody too wishy washy

 

[Hardbody Warrior]

youll get me right one day bruh

 

[Jdietz43]

@ #HBC | Dancer : when you say Zen's game do you mean my mini that just happened, or a diff game from a long time ago?

vote jdietz

please execute him today dancer

actually im rereading this later today but ive been thinking about **** and

id LOVE to see ruy die today. lets kill him instead please

vote red ruy

iight i reread

please kill xat. i thought ruy was scum for throwing out ****tyass townreads for no reason like he did this other game we were buddies so i wanted to lynch him cuz i thought we could just get easy clears if he flipped scum and if he flipped town i wanted to lynch jdietz for asking ******** questions that had nothing to do with finding scum. but when i read i realized that xat is MUCH worse when it comes to refusing to even try to find scum. if hes town **** him for playing like a ***** and we go back to jd/ruy tomo

xat dies. i dunno who i wanna go after him on a scumflip

vote xatres

I don't buy this.

You had plenty of time to come to the Xat conclusion straightaway but instead you took detours through me and Ryu for stupid reasons. You say you went to me first because I asked "******** questions", so which were they? I haven't asked a single one this game that I didn't think was constructive. (it's literally been one of my goals this game after having brain diarrhea in Tactics to slow everything down and only say what needs to be said).

Then you get on Ryu for throwing down town reads. And while I totally saw that from his Indy play in my game, he showed he wasn't doing that here, at least not to that extent. It's been in thread for quite awhile now that he mistook me for being the same slot as the Vinyl hydra, so unless you're calling him on scum meta for having one gut town read (one that many agree with) you're way off base here as well. Why not Gheb then, he has two of them and a meta against it.

And only after that and a claimed re-read do you come around to Xat who has been the elephant in the room for actively declining to comment on the thread state. And after that you're still claiming me and Ryu to be the plays tomorrow regardless of flip. Seems fake and gay to me.



Kill Xat or Hardbody today

 

[S'all Good Man]

vote jdietz

please execute him today dancer

Just want to mention. This sounds like him trying to sound non-opportunistic. Yet he begs Swords to execute him, so this should be something he felt confident in, yet he was really unsure and this comes off as faked. To me he may be trying to play it safe instead of being all gung-ho.

That's my thoughts on this.

 

[Hardbody Warrior]

youre smoking some SERIOUS walrus if youre tryna claim that your questions all have direction. your early game was literally stating that you were going to lecture people for townreading you and asking ruy if dancer was reading. you also asked xatres to answer a question he ignored. **** just looks like youre posting nothingness for the sake of posting

ruy backpedaled on his initial townread of you. i still hold him accountable for the first action and if he were to flip scum id prolly write you off as town for that due to what ive observed of his scumplay before. you are asking "why not gheb" cuz uh its RUYS meta and not GHEBS? HERP. i dont even remember ghebs town meta. its been too long

i DID NOT say you/ruy were a play if xat flips scum. if he flips town then yeah im def lookin at yall and you can deal with it son

hilarious that youre willing to throw your oh so important xat scumread into the trashcan to instead go me off of such trivial bull****. are you for real right now jd? did gorf send you walrus alongside your role pm?